Seller will not take Rolex to authorized dealer before purchase

[GordonC]

Originally Posted by michael067

I'd say there is a very good reason. The watch is fake.

That's a pretty serious accusation to throw out about an item being sold by a trusted seller here... I'd think you need to back up your statement as to why you state the watch is fake.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by alexthegreat123

Not sure why do I have to loose anything, have done nothing wrong and offered buyer all possible information and options for this transaction. Besides I offered to meet and verify the watch at local Rolex certified watchmaker (with Rolex parts account) BEFORE he pays that buyer declined stating that he needs verification from AD only who he knows for 30 years..

By the way, somebody put the bid on Ebay for this watch at full asking price...will be another happy customer

Thanks everybody, I appreciate your support.

Thanks for coming in and providing your end of the deal in a fair minded and even tempered manner. No surprise at your good rep here and just the kind of person I like to do business with. Sometimes a buyer and seller just aren't clicking. It happens.

[PrinceT]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

Have you looked in the "Buyers/Sellers Who's Who" section here on the forum to see if they have a lot of solid references?

https://www.rolexforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=28

There are many sellers here on TRF that have years worth of successful transactions and if this seller is one of them it may be okay to accept their return policy.

The seller takes precautions against scammers just like the buyers do. Most don't want to turn over a watch without funds as they have no recourse if the buyer and jewler are in cahoots.

Exactly. As much as the buyer here wants to buy the seller, the seller also has a right to choose his buyer and state his terms. Don't like don't buy. No loss, simple.


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[freefly]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

He's told you straight out why he will not / can not go to the AD already. If the AD sees him as a competitor and will not validate the watch (even though he knows you) then the seller is wasting his time. You have two choices 1) buy it and take it in yourself and have it validated and take him up on the 3 day return policy or 2) walk away.

The seller has a ton of great feedback here. You are WAY overthinking this at this point.

Yep. However, I'd say you may have three choices. The two mentioned above, and a third: Take it to a reputable independent watchmaker. If he just couldn't meet you at that specific AD, there should be somewhere else that you can go that is mutually agreeable to get the watch checked out. Now, if he can't do THAT, then I would run...

[PrinceT]

Originally Posted by alexthegreat123

Not sure why do I have to loose anything, have done nothing wrong and offered buyer all possible information and options for this transaction. Besides I offered to meet and verify the watch at local Rolex certified watchmaker (with Rolex parts account) BEFORE he pays that buyer declined stating that he needs verification from AD only who he knows for 30 years..

By the way, somebody put the bid on Ebay for this watch at full asking price...will be another happy customer

Thanks everybody, I appreciate your support.

The awkward moment when someone tries to complain about the price or has a thousand minds about it with plenty of doubts and posting here for the world to see and at this moment someone comes up and immediately purchases the watch with no qualms in a minute. Congrats on the sale buddy!


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[Rocket_Man]

So after reading this whole thread, which BTW was interesting, here is my observation. I think at some point the buyer was just not worth dealing with anymore by ATG. The first post said he was "interested" in the watch but didn't seem to commit to buying the watch if it all checked out. The title to this thread says 'will not take Rolex to AD before purchase' but then later he said he offered to do just that the first time they met. Which for some reason did not happen after the first meet. Then after this first meeting ATG called the AD and they did not want to assist in his secondary Rolex 'business.' They'd probably rather sell new Rolex's than support the secondary market. At which point ATG offered to take it to his watchmaker (which most TS seem to have access to) but this was not acceptable to the buyer. The question about the crystal is legitimate. A 25 year old watch could have a replacement crystal installed before ATG took possession, hard to verify this. A TS is going to maximize the ROI of his time and energy and if this buyer can't be made happy then at some point what can be done? So in the mean time he has other people that want the watch that will agree to his terms and much less work so... the watch is sold at less effort than this buyer. Realize that this watch may net the seller only a few hundred bucks and after a week of effort it is just better to move on. Everyone has bills to pay. End of story.

There is not always a happy match between buyer and seller. There may be no fault other than the buyer and seller just can't get along and make a deal. No foul here.

In the mean time there are plenty of Rolex's in this vintage for sale out there. I'd suggest the buyer look on Watch Recon for a similar watch. Check out the seller first, and make a purchase.

http://www.watchrecon.com/?query=69173&brand=rolex

[xQx]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

and, Alex probably lost $10k in other business because of it...

I really hope not. Prior to today, I didn't know Alex from a bar of soap, and (as one of the first in this thread to recommend walking away) am now far more likely to buy from him in the future. I think he's handled himself in an extremely polite and professional way on this thread... better than I probably would've.

Originally Posted by Rocket_Man

... I think at some point the buyer was just not worth dealing with anymore by ATG.

I was trying to find a polite way of saying the same thing.

[xQx]

Originally Posted by GordonC

That's a pretty serious accusation to throw out about an item being sold by a trusted seller here... I'd think you need to back up your statement as to why you state the watch is fake.

My bet is because he didn't read the thread before posting.

[Cru Jones]

After reading this whole thread, I really think there should be a "who's who"/"watch out" sub-forum for naming certain buyers to help warn other sellers.....