5227 got the wrong movement?

[Silver Bullet]

As the "flagship" Calatrava, and Thierry Stern's personally designed Calatrava, don't you think that the 5227 should have gotten the cal 240 movement rather than the 324? Wouldn't that help to justify the cost beyond the hinged dustcover? (Not to suggest that the invisible officer's caseback isn't great, but definitely to suggest that it may not be worth the cost of the 5227 over, say, a 5296)

[jon_jon]

The 240 is an excellent movement with the ultra-thin micro-rotor. However its base movement does not have a seconds hand. Its modified movement used in the 6000/6006 has a small seconds hand off to the side, which is not that popular.

So unless Patek modify the 240 movement to have a center seconds hand, I am not sure it will be routinely used in a typical 3-hand Calatrava.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

As the "flagship" Calatrava, and Thierry Stern's personally designed Calatrava, don't you think that the 5227 should have gotten the cal 240 movement rather than the 324? Wouldn't that help to justify the cost beyond the hinged dustcover? (Not to suggest that the invisible officer's caseback isn't great, but definitely to suggest that it may not be worth the cost of the 5227 over, say, a 5296)

No.
324 is a perfect movement for such a piece.

[Calatrava r]

324 is the only movement the company makes which offers the center sweep seconds. The case on the 5227 is quite exquisite and unique.

[soundserious]

When was the cal 240 developed?

[Silver Bullet]

Personally, I’d rather have seen the 5227 without a central Seconds hand and with the 240 in the back reflecting off of that exquisitely polished dust cover.

[soundserious]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Personally, I’d rather have seen the 5227 without a central Seconds hand and with the 240 in the back reflecting off of that exquisitely polished dust cover.

Totally agree. Why does a Pilot watch need a seconds complication?

[jon_jon]

Patek adds the officers caseback to a select group of premium watches. Its inclusion in the 5227 along with the modern case design is what makes the 5227 stand out from the other Calatravas. It certainly is more refined that the 5296 in appearance, although the 5296 is a great Calatrava.

Patek offers several different Calatravas in their line-up at different price points for people looking for different features. Personally I think it would have been nice if the 5227 came with a deployant clasp. But I am sure there was a reason Patek kept the traditional pin buckle.

[Rushne]

Deployant should be standard issue across all. Pin buckles annoy the hell out of me now days

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Rushne

Deployant should be standard issue across all. Pin buckles annoy the hell out of me now days

i find pin buckles mac more come than deployants

[martinr]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

Patek adds the officers caseback to a select group of premium watches. Its inclusion in the 5227 along with the modern case design is what makes the 5227 stand out from the other Calatravas. It certainly is more refined that the 5296 in appearance, although the 5296 is a great Calatrava.

Patek offers several different Calatravas in their line-up at different price points for people looking for different features. Personally I think it would have been nice if the 5227 came with a deployant clasp. But I am sure there was a reason Patek kept the traditional pin buckle.

On my visit to Patek in October 2017 we spent a couple hours with the design department and I asked why some watches came with the deployant and some with the pin buckle. They never really answered the question beyond saying it was a design decision and a choice they make pre production. So whether it’s about cost or the type of caseback etc. is anybody’s guess. On the 5227 maybe it’s because it’s easier to open the hinged caseback without the deployant getting in the way. Just a guess though.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by pam66

i find pin buckles mac more come than deployants

sorry for the totally garbled message...autcorrect went astray. i meant that i find pin buckles much more comfy than deployants

[Tan]

You can always just get the deployant after the fact if you really want one. I think the 324 is classic for the Calatrava!

[Henkan]

Originally Posted by soundserious

When was the cal 240 developed?

It was first launched in 1977 for the automatic 3738 Golden Ellipse. One of my favorites due to its beauty and the micro-rotor that allows it to be only 2.6 mm high. One drawback though is the lack of a possibility for a central seconds hand.

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by martinr

On my visit to Patek in October 2017 we spent a couple hours with the design department and I asked why some watches came with the deployant and some with the pin buckle. They never really answered the question beyond saying it was a design decision and a choice they make pre production. So whether it’s about cost or the type of caseback etc. is anybody’s guess. On the 5227 maybe it’s because it’s easier to open the hinged caseback without the deployant getting in the way. Just a guess though.

Meeting with the design team during the Patek factory tour was definitely an informative session. It was interesting to hear that they plan out minor changes (e.g. dial color, different hour market) a couple of years in advance and major changes (new reference) 4-5 years in advance.

The officer's caseback and deployant clasp combination is a nice feature on the 5153G, which I feel it differentiates the watch from other less expensive Calatravas.

As far as the 5227, I know one can order a separate deployant clasp from Patek. However at the ~$35K USD retail price level, it would have been nice to have one standard.

[Henkan]

Originally Posted by Henkan

It was first launched in 1977 for the automatic 3738 Golden Ellipse. One of my favorites due to its beauty and the micro-rotor that allows it to be only 2.6 mm high. One drawback though is the lack of a possibility for a central seconds hand.

Don’t know if this has been posted before, but here is great overview of refs using the 240.

[FTE2014]

Dear all, sliglhly off topic but I would love to get your views on the potential long term value for the PP6000 and the 5227. I really love both of the pieces particularly the 6000G with blue dial and the 5227J.

[kneedeep]

Originally Posted by FTE2014

Dear all, sliglhly off topic but I would love to get your views on the potential long term value for the PP6000 and the 5227. I really love both of the pieces particularly the 6000G with blue dial and the 5227J.

Either can be purchased quite favorably NIB or gently pre-worn from trusted sellers now because sports watches are all the craze. Neither are rare nor limited editions so don’t see them taking off in value years from now. Buy for enjoyment and if something good happens value-wise down the road so much the better.

[Tan]

Originally Posted by FTE2014

Dear all, sliglhly off topic but I would love to get your views on the potential long term value for the PP6000 and the 5227. I really love both of the pieces particularly the 6000G with blue dial and the 5227J.

I recently was deciding between a 6000G and a 5127R. I chose the 5127R because I felt it was a more classic look and found the 6000G to be too busy for my taste. I ended up purchasing the 5127R and have been happy ever since!

[thomaspp]

How is this thread! Lol


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