Fate of the LV??

[DATEJUSTSS]

I know it's an often asked question, but anyone care to speculate?

[mdx77]

We'll probably find out for sure tomorrow.....but I think it's dead!

[frostie]

Well an anniversary watch is always produced in limited numbers and it's not massively produced

That's the point of anniversary watches, cars etc.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by DATEJUSTSS

I know it's an often asked question, but anyone care to speculate?

Yep!! One foot in the grave while the other's on the banana skin!!

[Randy]

Visited my AD Today, He said LV subs are readily available! From Rolex

[mdx77]

Originally Posted by Randy

Visited my AD Today, He said LV subs are readily available! From Rolex

So are the 16710's......officially discontinued over a year ago..........

[frostie]

Originally Posted by mdx77

So are the 16710's......officially discontinued over a year ago..........

M series 33xxxx is available at my AD

The watch that my ad is selling is newer than mine if you compare the serial numbers. Mine is M29xxxx

[mdx77]

Originally Posted by frostie

M series 33xxxx is available at my AD

The watch that my ad is selling is newer than mine if you compare the serial numbers. Mine is M29xxxx

Exactly......so is the 16710 really discontinued???? Was at the AD earlier and just got a new Coke 16710 in ???????

[frostie]

Originally Posted by mdx77

Exactly......so is the 16710 really discontinued???? Was at the AD earlier and just got a new Coke 16710 in ???????

I think that it is discontinued but i guess that rolex has a huge inventory of them JMO

[mdx77]

Originally Posted by frostie

I think that it is discontinued but i guess that rolex has a huge inventory of them JMO

True....and I just double checked the Price Guide for March.....16710 is NOT listed.

[Art 1]

Hey Jesse, they have one where you got yours sitting in the case. They called my buddy today with a white mill.

[meloncap78]

AD near me had a couple in their case plus mine which was pre owned.

[mike]

I think as long as the current case is used the LV stays.

[hienpham04]

If you have one, hang on to it.

[walds11]

It is listed, on page 24...16710 Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II...$5,750.

Originally Posted by mdx77

True....and I just double checked the Price Guide for March.....16710 is NOT listed.

[rob]

dead as door nail!!! IMO! Keep em! don't flip em!!!

[frostie]

Originally Posted by walds11

It is listed, on page 24...16710 Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II...$5,750.

So if they have included in the 2008 price list then i guess that they can cover the demand of the market for this year with their inventory

[mdx77]

Originally Posted by walds11

It is listed, on page 24...16710 Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II...$5,750.

Hmmmmmm.....are you on page 26 of March 2008 price list? Page 26 for me covers YM and Daytonas.......

[mdx77]

I just paged through both the US and UK version for March 2008 again, and still did not see a single 16710........

[mdx77]

ok hold on I'll check again, thought you said 26, my bad

[frostie]

Originally Posted by mdx77

I just paged through both the US and UK version for March 2008 again, and still did not see a single 16710........

I have the pricelist that tempoking has sent me mine is on page 24

[mdx77]

Well there you have it.....skipped right over it when I saw $108,700....

So again I ask, how can something be discontinued and have an updated Price Increase?

[frostie]

Originally Posted by mdx77

Well there you have it.....skipped right over it when I saw $108,700....

So again I ask, how can something be discontinued and have an updated Price Increase?

So that it can be close to the GMT II C cause some people will think that the price difference is hideous because you just get a watch with a ceramic bezel and a parachrom hairspring and nice clasp.

They still have many of them that's just my guess

[mdx77]

Originally Posted by frostie

So that it can be close to the GMT II C cause some people will think that the price difference is hideous because you just get a watch with a ceramic bezel and a parachrom hairspring and nice clasp.

They still have many of them that's just my guess

But we've seen the 16710 w/ the new movement already......can we assume they are still making the 16710 then????

[frostie]

Originally Posted by mdx77

But we've seen the 16710 w/ the new movement already......can we assume they are still making the 16710 then????

Now this is where thing are getting confusing

I think that rolex made just a small portion with an updated movement so that they can satisfy the collectors in the long term cause this watch has been manufactured for 5 decades non stop. I mean what's the point if you have millions of identical watches and not something unique that combines the traditional watch with a small blend of technological advancement which was then passed on to the ceramic GMT ? I think that rolex did this because of the collectors

The only thing for sure is that the 16710 gmt's that have the new parachrom are going to be highly collectable in let's say 10-15 years cause there are only few of them made.

[mdx77]

Originally Posted by frostie

Now this is where thing are getting confusing

I think that rolex made just a small portion with an updated movement so that they can satisfy the collectors in the long term cause this watch has been manufactured for 5 decades non stop. I mean what's the point if you have millions of identical watches and not something unique that combines the traditional watch with a small blend of technological advancement which was then passed on to the ceramic GMT ? I think that rolex did this because of the collectors

The only thing for sure is that the 16710 gmt's that have the new parachrom are going to be highly collectable in let's say 10-15 years cause there are only few of them made.

That's what I'd like to find!

[llamaofdoom]

Back to the original subject...before this thread was hijacked to talk about GMTs...

The LV in its present incarnation will be gone in two years (if Rolex follows their previous release schedule like the GMT II). The new white gold subs have different cases and ceramic bezels. We might see a new LV with these features...but I think it's far more likely that it will be discontinued.

Regardless, the current LV will have had a fairly short and limited production run...which should definitely help them out value-wise in the longer (20 year+) collecting term.

[ashe18c]

Originally Posted by frostie

Now this is where thing are getting confusing

I think that rolex made just a small portion with an updated movement so that they can satisfy the collectors in the long term cause this watch has been manufactured for 5 decades non stop. I mean what's the point if you have millions of identical watches and not something unique that combines the traditional watch with a small blend of technological advancement which was then passed on to the ceramic GMT ? I think that rolex did this because of the collectors

The only thing for sure is that the 16710 gmt's that have the new parachrom are going to be highly collectable in let's say 10-15 years cause there are only few of them made.

What if a gmt without the parachrom needs to be serviced in 10 20 years and rolex servicing dept dont carry non parachrom by then? They will probably just put in a parachrom spring and it will be no different than the latest supposedly rare gmt2 with parachrom spring. no lug holes and all.

As with the lv, do you think the one and something years they have the engraving on the rahaut going to be even more rare? They have had the lv since 2005, so three years in production without engraving, and 2008 with. So only a quarter or so will have the "rolexrolex"engraving.

I doubt they will come out with a new green bezel sub in the future. It is tough enough to produce a colored ceramic bezel.
Although the new style sub has a different blue than the current two tone and gold blue subs. So that gives it the little chance that they might.

[Andad]

Vincent,
IMO.

The 3186 movement in the last of the 16710's has more changes than just the PBS. It is not the same movement hence 3185 to 3186. Some might say that the difference is negligible but it was enough of a change for Rolex to asign it a new number.
In 20 years collectors will be making sure that RSC's don't change the spring for the very reason you state - originality - exactly why the current owners of vintage Rolex are insisting that RSC's don't change dials, hands, etc.

As far as the LV with the engraved rehaute is concerned.
Generally the less numbers of anything made = better collectability.

[Trurolexer]

Not so limited for me IMO.