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Craft&Tailored · 7 November 2017, 04:52 AM

Dealers and private sellers beware.

Somone using the name Michael Gordon with an email legal.business@yahoo.com contacted us regarding one of our Ref 5513 submariners as well as one of our 16753 gmt's. The phone number was Los Angeles based 323-273-XXXX asking if we could ship to Florida yet his drivers license that he provided without us asking was in Texas... Additionally, his phone number did not pull up, nor did his email address... and was pushing us for our banking information....

Be careful guys, do your homework on the guys you are buying from and most importantly selling too...

Amature scammers but passing along info just in case

Mitcho28 · 11 November 2018, 05:48 PM

A guy with the same name has a 5513 1.5m Meters first nice patina dial, on a Rolex USA band listed on eBay now says he is in Little Rock Arkansas, he asked me to pay him (if we came to an agreement on price, we hadn’t even discussed yet) not via PayPal but Apple Pay. Saying they have some system that doesn’t release the money until I have received the watch and release the funds to him.

I did a little research and found there is no such thing Then I put his actual name (that he gave me) into Google... low and behold this thread popped up! I should’ve looked here first I just haven’t been around for a while!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F223225968891

edweather · 11 November 2018, 11:32 PM

I just sent the seller a friendly message asking him to take a couple of pics to verify ownership of the watch. We shall see......not holding my breath, and oh, zero seller feedback. Has buyer feedback, but no seller. Maybe hacked account.

Mitcho28 · 12 November 2018, 12:43 AM

His username is his phone number, he sent me that message through eBay and that’s how he asked me for the Apple Pay (Through text) proving ownership he sent me a photo it had a code inbedded in it that shows you your own name and the date, makes it look like he had written them by hand, problem is, I never gave him my name, this code he has in the picture auto generates the name from your phone carrier, I think?

edweather · 12 November 2018, 12:49 AM

Sounds pretty sophisticated. Up to $5500 already. I don't expect to hear from him.

Mitcho28 · 12 November 2018, 01:19 AM

I was the high bidder with 4 days left and he just emailed me out of nowhere and ended the auction.

To me it’s looking like He’s using the auction to lure people and then the phone number and some code to convince them it’s a legit deal.

edweather · 12 November 2018, 01:33 AM

Yea, seller can get all usernames of bidders, makes sense. Over 6K now, 6 days left. Am sure ebay would love to know he's ending listings, then contacting bidders. ebay is clearly behind the curve in dealing with this.

CorradoBrit · 12 November 2018, 01:56 AM

Scammer also pulled the same trick on a Hublot watch. Reported several times for different infractions.

No feedback as seller over past 12 months. Username changed recently (to include the 'hidden' phone number). Hijacked account for sure.

CorradoBrit · 12 November 2018, 02:01 AM

Another hijacked Ebay account using the same phone number to scam buyers.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Day-D....m43663.l10137

edweather · 12 November 2018, 03:32 AM

ah ha, and pretty bold putting phone number in username.

Mitcho28 · 12 November 2018, 05:29 AM

By putting his phone number in his username he’s evading the system that detects personal info in messages.

I will report an outside sales attempt to eBay And I let them know all the information we’ve dug up so far.

Great job guys, I don’t want this guy to take anybody’s money, God knows how many people he’s actually ripped off already.

He told me he took down that listing because he had made a deal with someone but they backed out. So he may have already taken someone’s money?

Craft&Tailored · 13 November 2018, 01:38 PM

This is exactly why we post this kind of stuff! Glad it has become useful and helped avoid a potentially bad deal for someone out there...

VintageVagabound · 13 November 2018, 02:30 PM

"legal.business@yahoo.com" aka "I.am.not.a.scammer@yahoo.com" lol...

Craft&Tailored · 14 November 2018, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintageVagabound

"legal.business@yahoo.com" aka "I.am.not.a.scammer@yahoo.com" lol...

I was laughing about this too haha so funny!!

7 November 2017, 04:52 AM	#1
Craft&Tailored "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,254	Potential Scammer: Michael Gordon: legal.business@yahoo.com Dealers and private sellers beware. Somone using the name Michael Gordon with an email legal.business@yahoo.com contacted us regarding one of our Ref 5513 submariners as well as one of our 16753 gmt's. The phone number was Los Angeles based 323-273-XXXX asking if we could ship to Florida yet his drivers license that he provided without us asking was in Texas... Additionally, his phone number did not pull up, nor did his email address... and was pushing us for our banking information.... Be careful guys, do your homework on the guys you are buying from and most importantly selling too... Amature scammers but passing along info just in case

11 November 2018, 11:32 PM	#3
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	I just sent the seller a friendly message asking him to take a couple of pics to verify ownership of the watch. We shall see......not holding my breath, and oh, zero seller feedback. Has buyer feedback, but no seller. Maybe hacked account. __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

12 November 2018, 12:49 AM	#5
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	Sounds pretty sophisticated. Up to $5500 already. I don't expect to hear from him. __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

12 November 2018, 01:33 AM	#7
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	Yea, seller can get all usernames of bidders, makes sense. Over 6K now, 6 days left. Am sure ebay would love to know he's ending listings, then contacting bidders. ebay is clearly behind the curve in dealing with this. __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

12 November 2018, 03:32 AM	#10
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	ah ha, and pretty bold putting phone number in username. __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

11 November 2018, 05:48 PM	#2
Mitcho28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Mitch Shamlan Location: Orange County, CA Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 146	A guy with the same name has a 5513 1.5m Meters first nice patina dial, on a Rolex USA band listed on eBay now says he is in Little Rock Arkansas, he asked me to pay him (if we came to an agreement on price, we hadn’t even discussed yet) not via PayPal but Apple Pay. Saying they have some system that doesn’t release the money until I have received the watch and release the funds to him. I did a little research and found there is no such thing Then I put his actual name (that he gave me) into Google... low and behold this thread popped up! I should’ve looked here first I just haven’t been around for a while! https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F223225968891

12 November 2018, 12:43 AM	#4
Mitcho28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Mitch Shamlan Location: Orange County, CA Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 146	His username is his phone number, he sent me that message through eBay and that’s how he asked me for the Apple Pay (Through text) proving ownership he sent me a photo it had a code inbedded in it that shows you your own name and the date, makes it look like he had written them by hand, problem is, I never gave him my name, this code he has in the picture auto generates the name from your phone carrier, I think?

12 November 2018, 01:19 AM	#6
Mitcho28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Mitch Shamlan Location: Orange County, CA Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 146	I was the high bidder with 4 days left and he just emailed me out of nowhere and ended the auction. To me it’s looking like He’s using the auction to lure people and then the phone number and some code to convince them it’s a legit deal.

12 November 2018, 01:56 AM	#8
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Scammer also pulled the same trick on a Hublot watch. Reported several times for different infractions. No feedback as seller over past 12 months. Username changed recently (to include the 'hidden' phone number). Hijacked account for sure.

12 November 2018, 02:01 AM	#9
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Another hijacked Ebay account using the same phone number to scam buyers. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Day-D....m43663.l10137

12 November 2018, 05:29 AM	#11
Mitcho28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Mitch Shamlan Location: Orange County, CA Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 146	By putting his phone number in his username he’s evading the system that detects personal info in messages. I will report an outside sales attempt to eBay And I let them know all the information we’ve dug up so far. Great job guys, I don’t want this guy to take anybody’s money, God knows how many people he’s actually ripped off already. He told me he took down that listing because he had made a deal with someone but they backed out. So he may have already taken someone’s money?

13 November 2018, 01:38 PM	#12
Craft&Tailored "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,254	This is exactly why we post this kind of stuff! Glad it has become useful and helped avoid a potentially bad deal for someone out there...

13 November 2018, 02:30 PM	#13
VintageVagabound "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 568	"legal.business@yahoo.com" aka "I.am.not.a.scammer@yahoo.com" lol...

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