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dcourtenayt · 3 January 2019, 08:39 AM

Hi Everyone,
Wondering about this ebay listing. Any input would be appreciated.
Are some issues I have noticed, but I am not an expert.
thanks,
Doug

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...rdt=true&rt=nc

eddiemonster · 3 January 2019, 10:09 AM

Doug, hopefully you were not the winning bidder on this POS fake! The tells are this,

1. There's always a beat-around-the-bush story and not just straight up description. In this case, he has to preface the entire sale by explaining his feedback of zero!

2. The date aperture looks way too small, the date font does not look like the Tudor serif

3. The case is not period correct for that Tudor, it is a modern (poor) fake Rolex case which likely goes with that fake Rolex dial.

4. The end links are sterile (not numbered)

5. The Rolex dial that is part of the sale is obviously fake as it can't possible fit into a Tudor ETA 28xx based movement (which looks to have a spacer).

There's prolly other stuff I'm missing, and I am no expert, but these are obvious tells. The only genuine part might be the Tudor branded rotor, but even those are repped.

J!m · 3 January 2019, 11:23 AM

Not good.

GradyPhilpott · 3 January 2019, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddiemonster

Doug, hopefully you were not the winning bidder on this POS fake! The tells are this,

1. There's always a beat-around-the-bush story and not just straight up description. In this case, he has to preface the entire sale by explaining his feedback of zero!

2. The date aperture looks way too small, the date font does not look like the Tudor serif

3. The case is not period correct for that Tudor, it is a modern (poor) fake Rolex case which likely goes with that fake Rolex dial.

4. The end links are sterile (not numbered)

5. The Rolex dial that is part of the sale is obviously fake as it can't possible fit into a Tudor ETA 28xx based movement (which looks to have a spacer).

There's prolly other stuff I'm missing, and I am no expert, but these are obvious tells. The only genuine part might be the Tudor branded rotor, but even those are repped.

The consensus here is that it's not in anyone's best interest to cite the details of counterfeit pieces.

214270Explorer · 3 January 2019, 04:18 PM

The WUS site has under its forum rules and guidelines, rule #9, strictly prohibiting various issues concerning fakes.

I am unable to locate any similar rules here at TRF. Personally I agree with it not being in the best interest to disclose issues seen on fakes.

Besides the "potential" that it could get out of hand to where these sorts of disclosures become so prevalent and detailed that they start using up a lot more of of TRF resources.

Just my humble opinion; yours may vary.

Andad · 3 January 2019, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 214270Explorer

The WUS site has under its forum rules and guidelines, rule #9, strictly prohibiting various issues concerning fakes.

I am unable to locate any similar rules here at TRF. Personally I agree with it not being in the best interest to disclose issues seen on fakes.

Besides the "potential" that it could get out of hand to where these sorts of disclosures become so prevalent and detailed that they start using up a lot more of of TRF resources.

Just my humble opinion; yours may vary.

You have been here 5 minutes.
Stop shouting at me in green.

CaveDweller · 3 January 2019, 08:53 PM

IMO, the issue of going into detail is not aimed at the manufacturer of fakes, but rather the sellers

If we disclose how we can tell, then they are going to try to obscure those details in any potential listing - maybe not in this particular case, but you get the idea …..

edweather · 3 January 2019, 11:42 PM

Bidding ended at $3850 w/19 bids, and then seller relisted same watch with a $2000 starting bid. Possible non paying buyer.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39220658676...m=392206586762

GLADIATOR · 4 January 2019, 12:11 AM

Strange one indeed
Not reported

3 January 2019, 08:39 AM	#1
dcourtenayt 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: South Carolina, Posts: 2,888	tudor sub Hi Everyone, Wondering about this ebay listing. Any input would be appreciated. Are some issues I have noticed, but I am not an expert. thanks, Doug https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rol...rdt=true&rt=nc

3 January 2019, 04:18 PM	#5
214270Explorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: United States Watch: me buy Watches Posts: 3,955	The WUS site has under its forum rules and guidelines, rule #9, strictly prohibiting various issues concerning fakes. I am unable to locate any similar rules here at TRF. Personally I agree with it not being in the best interest to disclose issues seen on fakes. Besides the "potential" that it could get out of hand to where these sorts of disclosures become so prevalent and detailed that they start using up a lot more of of TRF resources. Just my humble opinion; yours may vary. __________________ “The display of actual intelligence terrifies much of mankind” Rolex "some" Tudor "some" Damasko "some" Misc Pieces "some" Marathon "some" GS Spring Drive "some" Hamilton "some" Findeisen "some"

3 January 2019, 11:42 PM	#8
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	Bidding ended at $3850 w/19 bids, and then seller relisted same watch with a $2000 starting bid. Possible non paying buyer. https://www.ebay.com/itm/39220658676...m=392206586762 __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

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3 January 2019, 10:09 AM	#2
eddiemonster "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: Eddie Location: Northern VA Watch: @tm3machine Posts: 71	Doug, hopefully you were not the winning bidder on this POS fake! The tells are this, 1. There's always a beat-around-the-bush story and not just straight up description. In this case, he has to preface the entire sale by explaining his feedback of zero! 2. The date aperture looks way too small, the date font does not look like the Tudor serif 3. The case is not period correct for that Tudor, it is a modern (poor) fake Rolex case which likely goes with that fake Rolex dial. 4. The end links are sterile (not numbered) 5. The Rolex dial that is part of the sale is obviously fake as it can't possible fit into a Tudor ETA 28xx based movement (which looks to have a spacer). There's prolly other stuff I'm missing, and I am no expert, but these are obvious tells. The only genuine part might be the Tudor branded rotor, but even those are repped.

3 January 2019, 11:23 AM	#3
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	Not good.

3 January 2019, 08:53 PM	#7
CaveDweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Gogland Watch: Timex Posts: 267	IMO, the issue of going into detail is not aimed at the manufacturer of fakes, but rather the sellers If we disclose how we can tell, then they are going to try to obscure those details in any potential listing - maybe not in this particular case, but you get the idea …..

4 January 2019, 12:11 AM	#9
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Strange one indeed Not reported __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

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