NATO for Sea Dweller 116600

[toxicavenger]

Hey op here is some pics a customer sent me a while back.

You can also use a velcro strap like this https://www.esslinger.com/heavy-blac...9-inch-length/

[MLS]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

Terry at ToxicNATOs said that all the spring bar failures he’s seen on NATOs are from using the wrong size spring bars which sounds like it was the case on your incident too.

Hi, I used the one that comes with the Omega Speedmaster and it was the correct width. I also cannot explain what happened. Initially I thought I missed the hole but then it happened after about 10 hours driving. Once it was fixed wasted 8 days in the Alps. Probably wrong bars


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[MLS]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

If the 16570 has drilled lugs you should not be using the Omega versions.

Hi, it is no holes 16570. I don’t know what happed but once I fixed it it lasted the entire trip. I was thinking I missed the hole but this is highly unlikely as I have been driving for a while when this happened. Anyway for skiing or any other sport I would strongly recommend the elastic straps made form parachutes (Erikas, ndcstraps). You just don’t feel the watch, much more comfortable that those smart activity watches intact.


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[Token74]

Thanks all, sone good options here


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[MLS]

Originally Posted by Token74

Thanks all, sone good options here


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And to show you the Erika’s


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[waterman1]

The sd4k 116600 does not provide much gap to fit a nato so the thicker ones may not work. (One of my pet peeves with this watch) Maratac are excellent. Toxic makes several great straps. Springbars with shoulders can be manipulated out of the hole by twisting the nato band especially if nato is a flimsier cloth type that will catch the shoulder, pull and release it. Having this happen on both bars at the same time is serious bad luck. For nearly 100% safety, use shoulderless spring bars and cut off with wire cutters when ready to switch back to bracelet. That is rock solid security.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by MLS

Hi, it is no holes 16570. I don’t know what happed but once I fixed it it lasted the entire trip. I was thinking I missed the hole but this is highly unlikely as I have been driving for a while when this happened. Anyway for skiing or any other sport I would strongly recommend the elastic straps made form parachutes (Erikas, ndcstraps). You just don’t feel the watch, much more comfortable that those smart activity watches intact.


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It is the tip diameter of the spring bar that matters, not the middle section. I would make sure that they spring bar fits the holes correctly.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by waterman1

The sd4k 116600 does not provide much gap to fit a nato so the thicker ones may not work. (One of my pet peeves with this watch) Maratac are excellent. Toxic makes several great straps. Springbars with shoulders can be manipulated out of the hole by twisting the nato band especially if nato is a flimsier cloth type that will catch the shoulder, pull and release it. Having this happen on both bars at the same time is serious bad luck. For nearly 100% safety, use shoulderless spring bars and cut off with wire cutters when ready to switch back to bracelet. That is rock solid security.

You have had nylon straps pull the flanges on your stock spring bars causing them to be pulled out? If so please send me a video. I have tried this multiple times and I have failed at it.

[waterman1]

No, never happened to me, but a while back there was this detailed discussion on here and the thinking was that it had happened in a few instances. I could not repeat it either. However I do know I feel total confidence with the shoulderless spring bars....which I buy from you by the way!

[jps3b]

Originally Posted by MLS

I came back from Cervinia/Zermatt 2 weeks ago. I put my 16570 on Omega Speedmaster Nato strap and it fit OK but felt tight so I used my Omega spring-bars and it is was OK. When I came back I bought Erika’s originals and used the Rolex spring bars ( fits OK). I also orders several Blue shark which at great quality for 1/10 the omega strap. I would recommend Erika’s or ndcstraps (check on instagram) because they feel great and are elastic. Definitely for skiing will go with one of those.


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I 2nd the Blu shark. I’ve worn them a couple of years now and no issues.






The last pic is my 16610LV on an olive green Blu Shark


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[MLS]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

It is the tip diameter of the spring bar that matters, not the middle section. I would make sure that they spring bar fits the holes correctly.

The Omega one (on the top) is thinner when the tips are very similar. After the incident I had no issues with the strap and I think Omega spring bars may be used if the Rolex ones are too thick



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[edyu]

The last picture is badass!

Originally Posted by jps3b

I 2nd the Blu shark. I’ve worn them a couple of years now and no issues.






The last pic is my 16610LV on an olive green Blu Shark


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[MLS]

Originally Posted by jps3b

I 2nd the Blu shark. I’ve worn them a couple of years now and no issues.






The last pic is my 16610LV on an olive green Blu Shark


@jps3b

Great NATO straps and great picture. This is my 16570 on Blu Shark and Blu Shark next to Omega.


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[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by MLS

The Omega one (on the top) is thinner when the tips are very similar. After the incident I had no issues with the strap and I think Omega spring bars may be used if the Rolex ones are too thick



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I can't tell. That pic is to blurry. If I still had a 16570 I would get a measurement for you.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by waterman1

No, never happened to me, but a while back there was this detailed discussion on here and the thinking was that it had happened in a few instances. I could not repeat it either. However I do know I feel total confidence with the shoulderless spring bars....which I buy from you by the way!

You might be talking about this thread https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...t=nato+end+pin

There is so much mis-information in that thread i don't even know where to start. But I have tested it myself multiple times and made videos of what happen. I personally call b.s. on the subject. I have heard this forum folk lore for years and I believed. That is until I tried to recreate it.

There is no physical way a strap can pull on the rounded edge of a flange on a springbar. If the flange had burs all over it like a saw blade I could maybe see it happening. But then a nylon strap does not fray is strips of nylon, it frays in small pieces.

Shoulderless is the best bet for sure. So I am glad you use them. Hell I just wish people actually used the correct spring bars and that would stop some of the forum lore we hear.

[billylimwk]

I dont think a NAto will suit a SD. Better to have the everestband with the rolex clasp

[jps3b]

Originally Posted by edyu

The last picture is badass!

Thank you Ed. Nice of you to say


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[jps3b]

Originally Posted by MLS

Great NATO straps and great picture. This is my 16570 on Blu Shark and Blu Shark next to Omega.


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Yours look great as well Sir! Really like the colors with the watch. Have a good week


@jps3b

[MLS]

Originally Posted by jps3b

Yours look great as well Sir! Really like the colors with the watch. Have a good week


@jps3b

Thanks


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[MLS]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

I can't tell. That pic is to blurry. If I still had a 16570 I would get a measurement for you.

Thanks! It took me really long time to make those two. My phone is not good at all


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[peti]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

BS? How can you say that my statement is BS. I never said I agreed with the evidence. Not my study, not my data. It deserves to be in the conversation, however.

Special forces use nato straps. I guess that if it works for them it works for anyone

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[Jrcigar]

IMHO, NATO straps are FAR safer than any bracelet could ever be, Oyster or not, your chances of losing your watch to the ocean or concrete is HALF of what it would be woth a NATO. Do the math. As far as Maratac goes, I had one more than a decade ago, the hardware was exceedingly cheap, thin, stamped metal. I tossed it. I find Omega makes the best (although I have not tried Toxicavengers yet- that’s my next). Omega also produces curved spring bars made exactly for use with natos (allows for clearance from spring bar-to the case. No pressure on the bars= less chance of failure.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by peti

Special forces use nato straps. I guess that if it works for them it works for anyone

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he was just regurgitating mis-information.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by Jrcigar

IMHO, NATO straps are FAR safer than any bracelet could ever be, Oyster or not, your chances of losing your watch to the ocean or concrete is HALF of what it would be woth a NATO. Do the math. As far as Maratac goes, I had one more than a decade ago, the hardware was exceedingly cheap, thin, stamped metal. I tossed it. I find Omega makes the best (although I have not tried Toxicavengers yet- that’s my next). Omega also produces curved spring bars made exactly for use with natos (allows for clearance from spring bar-to the case. No pressure on the bars= less chance of failure.

I carry curved spring bars also. They do allow for more case clearance. But a nato/leather/rubber strap still conforms to the curved spring bar. So it applies the same pressure as any bracelet/nylon/leather/rubber strap would.

[Jrcigar]

I understand. My next NATO will come from you for sure. Only difference between NATO and any kind of strap/bracelet is if one springbar fails? Bye bye nice watch (or damage at best)
The chance of double springbar failure is near zero, is what I was trying to convey. I absolutely love them.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by Jrcigar

The chance of double springbar failure is near zero, is what I was trying to convey. I absolutely love them.

True.

[peti]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

he was just regurgitating mis-information.

There is a really cool hodinkee talking watches video with a former seal, moki martin. Nice history on tudor and nato straps.

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[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by peti

There is a really cool hodinkee talking watches video with a former seal, moki martin. Nice history on tudor and nato straps.

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That is one of the best video's every done with James Stacey talking watches. I loved it.