Pictures of new GMT Pepsi WG

[Travelair007]

Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Totally. BLNR not in the same league with this watch.

Am I missing something? Isn't it essentially the same watch, with a different bezel and WG vs. SS? If so, how does that put a watch in a different league? If you were comparing a PP Perpetual Calendar vs BLNR, I'd understand that comment....

[GTC]

Originally Posted by leicashot

BATMAN is so much nicer than this one.

Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Totally. BLNR not in the same league with this watch.

+1 GsurgBM; Not even close.

[GTC]

Originally Posted by flagada2009

Am I missing something? Isn't it essentially the same watch, with a different bezel and WG vs. SS? If so, how does that put a watch in a different league? If you were comparing a PP Perpetual Calendar vs BLNR, I'd understand that comment....

Then how, flagada2009, does Rolex charge about four times the price of admission if it's essentially the same? You might answer, "It's white gold for crying out loud." Well then, you would have answered your own different league question.

[Travelair007]

Originally Posted by GTC

Then how, flagada2009, does Rolex charge about four times the price of admission if it's essentially the same? You might answer, "It's white gold for crying out loud." Well then, you would have partially answered your different league question.

I don't get it..... So WG is more expensive, still the same watch, why is it a different league?

Is someone coated a Honda Civic in Gold, does that put that Honda Civic in a different league?

[GTC]

Originally Posted by flagada2009

I don't get it..... So WG is more expensive, still the same watch, why is it a different league?

[Travelair007]

Originally Posted by GTC

Bro, not picking on you nor am I playing dumb but you have to admit you are blatantly disregarding my point on watch complications, models, designs....

All you're saying is Gold puts your watch in a different league. Sure, financially....if that's the league you guys are referring to. I'm appealing to common sense and maybe your love and passion for watches.... If you dig deep down inside and take your Rolex blindfold off, think of all the brands of watches out there.... You should be able to admit that it's the same watch with different precious metal...

It's not as if we're comparing a Harry Winston Opus 12 to a BLNR.........

[zama]

I would take that over the BLNR every day not that I don't like the BLNR. Cant see myself affording it.

[GTC]

Originally Posted by flagada2009

you are blatantly disregarding my point on watch complications, models, designs....

Okay,
1. You say they're "the same watch" by illegitimately redefining what a watch is by trying to exempt material selection as a defining variable.
2. In the car market people pay for function and form. In the car market precious metal and jewels are generally not an accepted variable of car manufacturing form (per your Honda analogy) and the vehicles resulting classification and/or value; while in the watch industry, materials and sometimes jewels can even dominate value (e.g. Platona) even though two watches may functionally do the same thing in the same way in the same basic design, just with different case and bracelet material.
3. Resultingly, I would not put a SS Daytona in the same league as a Platona which costs almost seven times as much. If you could, Rolex could never justify their pricing.
4. Like GSurgBM, that seems clear. But you are trying to posit limiting conditions for a watches 'watchness' by exempting materials. That is not legitimate as evidenced by, among other things, peoples willingness to pony up many times the amount for precious metals.
5. Material is an accepted variable in what constitutes and classifies a watch.
6. You may prefer your BLNR over a WG Pepsi, and it may do the same things in the same way with the same design, but at the end of the day, the respective materials of the cases and bracelets dramatically differentiates them, making people legitimately make comments about differing leagues.
7. That differentiation is accepted by the watch industry and market as evidenced by the dramatically different purchase prices and nullifying any claim to them being, "the same watch" per your 2:24 post.

Final Post on This Period.

[Loevhagen]

After adding the BLNR to my collection - I longer do not crave for the BLRO. Really.

The WG BLRO looks a bit tacky in pictures. I have yet to see it in person.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by leicashot

BATMAN is so much nicer than this one.

The BLNR is a nice watch no doubt, but let's not go overboard.

Originally Posted by Loevhagen

...The WG BLRO looks a bit tacky in pictures...

Oy Vey.

[michel33]

Both great watches even if I prefer the BLNR bezel when it comes to Ceramic bezels.

Moreover, the Night and Day color combo may just be a slight amelioration, but still, it is one, right in line with the historical Rolex state of mind.

I'm still impatient to admire the first BLRO wrist shots here, on TRF.

[GsurgBM]

Originally Posted by GTC

Okay,
1. You say they're "the same watch" by illegitimately redefining what a watch is by trying to exempt material selection as a defining variable.
2. In the car market people pay for function and form. In the car market precious metal and jewels are generally not an accepted variable of car manufacturing form (per your Honda analogy) and the vehicles resulting classification and/or value; while in the watch industry, materials and sometimes jewels can even dominate value (e.g. Platona) even though two watches may functionally do the same thing in the same way in the same basic design, just with different case and bracelet material.
3. Resultingly, I would not put a SS Daytona in the same league as a Platona which costs almost seven times as much. If you could, Rolex could never justify their pricing.
4. Like GSurgBM, that seems clear. But you are trying to posit limiting conditions for a watches 'watchness' by exempting materials. That is not legitimate as evidenced by, among other things, peoples willingness to pony up many times the amount for precious metals.
5. Material is an accepted variable in what constitutes and classifies a watch.
6. You may prefer your BLNR over a WG Pepsi, and it may do the same things in the same way with the same design, but at the end of the day, the respective materials of the cases and bracelets dramatically differentiates them, making people legitimately make comments about differing leagues.
7. That differentiation is accepted by the watch industry and market as evidenced by the dramatically different purchase prices and nullifying any claim to them being, "the same watch" per your 2:24 post.

Final Post on This Period.

Well said. I like the BLNR. It's just not the same. Just like a SS SUB isn't the same as the Smurf, or the SS Daytona doesn't equal the platinum model. Not to me anyway.

[BLACKHORSE 6]

Originally Posted by dseig001

Sitting on the porch, drinking four roses and smoking Romeo and Julieta vintage series with my wife. I show her this wrist shot - first thing out of her mouth: "that's your attending watch!"

She's a good one. Gotta get her that tank she wants first!

This sounds like the perfect evening to me.

Can't wait to see the WG Pepsi in the flesh!

[michel33]

Originally Posted by michel33

Both great watches even if I prefer the BLNR bezel when it comes to Ceramic bezels.

Moreover, the Night and Day color combo may just be a slight improvement, but still, it is one, right in line with the historical Rolex state of mind.

I'm still impatient to admire the first BLRO wrist shots here, on TRF.

Sorry, I used a french word in my previous post (amélioration), I was convinced the same word, amelioration, exists in english, but I'm not sure anymore, I'm afraid this rendered my sentence incomprehensible….

[jamesbondOO7]

Originally Posted by AK797

This is the best wrist shot Ive seen.

This is not a pretty watch.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Totally. BLNR not in the same league with this watch.

Agree.

[elcompa]

Originally Posted by flagada2009

Am I missing something? Isn't it essentially the same watch, with a different bezel and WG vs. SS? If so, how does that put a watch in a different league? If you were comparing a PP Perpetual Calendar vs BLNR, I'd understand that comment....

Agreed. Good point.

Same basic model watch with a different metal/color bezel....but at a crap-ton more cost. BLRO is simply not worth it for me.

[jamesbondOO7]

Now, THIS is a pretty watch.

[Furbo]

Easy choice for me

[GTC]

Originally Posted by flagada2009

Am I missing something? Isn't it essentially the same watch, with a different bezel and WG vs. SS?

Originally Posted by elcompa

Agreed. Good point.

Same basic model watch with a different metal/color bezel....but at a crap-ton more cost. BLRO is simply not worth it for me.

Almost surprising that you have a BLNR yourself.

[Wesley Crusher]

This watch is going to be a big hit for Rolex. What a stunner!

[elcompa]

Originally Posted by GTC

Almost surprising that you have a BLNR yourself.

Why? Perhaps I missed something?

[GsurgBM]

Originally Posted by Furbo

Easy choice for me

Me too. BLRO.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by GsurgBM

Disagree. Totally. BLNR not in the same league with this watch.

Have you seen on personally?

You simply cannot judge a Rolex by a picture.

I had many misconceptions about the look of my BLNR, based on some excellent photographs on this site and elsewhere.

As beautiful as the photography was in those pictures, they simply did not reveal the visual nuances of the bezel.

I highly expect the BLRO to be a beautiful watch based on the photos we've seen, but only those who've seen one in a variety of lighting conditions really know what the watch looks like.

The fact is that it might be even better than the pictures, which often the case with most Rolex watches, but it may also turn out to be underwhelming, especially when one factors in the price tag.

For those for whom $40,000 is chump change, it certainly will be the GMTII of choice, but for those for whom that kind of money is a stretch, the difference might be less impressive.

[GradyPhilpott]

I should have read the entire thread before I posted above.

Just like every thread on this subject, it starts out as a thread about horology and winds up as pure class conflict and oneupmanship.

[GsurgBM]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I should have read the entire thread before I posted above.

Just like every thread on this subject, it starts out as a thread about horology and winds up as pure class conflict and oneupmanship.

To me it's not an issue of "oneupmanship". This thread started talking about the BLRO, and several BLNR fans chimed in their opinion that that was a "better" watch. I have seen and tried on the BLNR, and really like it. I like the all black LN even better, which is why I own that one instead. But I'd trade both of them combined for the BLRO, both because it's white gold and because I prefer the "classic" blue/red bezel over the blue/black. Will I get one when it comes out? No, I'm not going to spend 40k on a watch. I'd be more likely to get the BLNR at its price point. But that doesn't mean I don't like the BLRO more or think it's "in a different league". It is IMO. And that's all this is.

[GTC]

Originally Posted by GsurgBM

To me it's not an issue of "oneupmanship". This thread started talking about the BLRO, and several BLNR fans chimed in their opinion that that was a "better" watch. . . . But that doesn't mean I don't like the BLRO more or think it's "in a different league". It is IMO. And that's all this is.

What he said.

[Racerdj]

Originally Posted by Furbo

Easy choice for me

Me too, BLRO!

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by GsurgBM

...several BLNR fans chimed in their opinion that that was a "better" watch.

I have reread this thread and this is the post to which you refer:

Originally Posted by leicashot

BATMAN is so much nicer than this one.

[emphasis mine]

Please take note that the term used was nicer, not better.

It was you who stated that the BLRO is in a different league, intimating that the BLRO is a better watch.

Several people have "chimed in" as you say to argue that the BLNR and the BLRO are the same watch, except for the material from which the watch is made and, of course, the bezel insert colors.

You and others are welcome to classify watches as you see fit, but you twisted the words of one member to justify the assertion that the BLRO is in a different league than the BLNR.

To say that the BLNR is nicer could very well be a reference to the price, the durability of the metal, or even the lighter weight.

I agree that some may imply that nicer means better, but the term does not necessarily mean better.

5
a : pleasing, agreeable <a nice time> <a nice person>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nice

Personally, I don't think that precious metals are the best materials for watchmaking and when it comes to white metal, I personally think that 904L is the better (yes, better), material for a number of reasons, including some of the ones I referenced above.

In the case of the GMTII, WG will get you a "Pepsi," which is a color combination that is highly desirable, but not intrinsically better.

In the case of the Cosmograph Daytona, precious metals will get you sub-dials that are actually legible and this to me means that the dials are better, but that does not mean that a precious metal Daytona is a better watch than a steel Daytona.

I think the precious metal Daytona watches are more desirable, because I can read the dials, but in my case anyway, doubling the price of the watch so that I can read the dial is anathema, when I can buy a Speedy Pro for a lot less, that I can actually read, and comes with a pedigree that is every bit as impressive as the Daytona.

So, what we have had here is a dust up over semantics and personal values instead of anything that is relevant to the relative superiority of one watch over the other, except as matters of opinion, which everyone is entitled to, as long it is made clear that what we are talking about is opinions.

This is what I was referring to in my previous post.

[lipjin]

I wasted 10 mins of my life reading this thread. BLNR and BLRO are different watches, with different price point and a different audience. No need to engage in crass warfare over a watch.

That said, I would swing for one :)