Tesla Stock

[superdog]

[QUOTE=nocrown;5809706]if ur considering TSLA, then i think u should go all in UNCRN (unicorn)

I kind of feel bad for you. On a few levels.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I view these companies as more of a speculative investment and it would only represent a very small holding % in my portfolio. Nothing wrong with it I suppose, but high beta stocks can be very volatile.

I guess it all depends on what type of investment you are after.

It would represent not even 5% of my portfolio.

I'm typically super conservative in any type of investments. I tend to build most of my worth based on entrepreneurial pursuits.

There is just something about this company. I like what they are doing. And yes, I realise I'm gambling, but I'd love to find the next apple or Google stock.

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

No, we were not speaking about Apple. I was speaking bout my investments in general. I have been out of AAPL for quite some time, and yes, I missed the last 20% but you know what, I still made money - good money. Apple doesn't need to reissue because, surprise, they actually are profitable as opposed to TSLA. I own Apple products, I use Apple products, but I no longer own any Apple stock (at least directly, there is some in a couple of my Mutual Funds.) Regardless, I evaluate each purchase, product or equity, on its usefulness to me, not on who or what the company represents socially and I take care of my social contributions directly.

"On its usefulness to me" take it where you can get it, dam the social consequences, profit for profits sake. Those charities you refer to rely on large corporate donations to survive and companies such as Apple set a very poor example for others to follow. Its admirable you are dropping them a few beans. I'm glad these guys had a different attitude . Carnegie,Dr. Frank Damrosch & James Loeb, Juilliard School of Music,Joseph Pulitzer, John D. Rockefeller, A.B. Graham, 4-H Clubs,Rev. Edgar J. Helms, Goodwill Industries,Robert Baden-Powell,Milton S. Hershey & Catherine Hershey,W. D. Boyce, Boy Scouts of America , Hans Wilsdorf Rolex http://www.alphatech.sg/2011/05/role...philantropist/

http://www.nptrust.org/history-of-gi...imeline/1900s/

[alubin]

I know this will go against most of the opinions here, but so far as investments go I have been looking to and attempting to short TSLA shares for months now but this is next to impossible and the options are expensive as well. I just don't see the upside that everybody else seems to...

[nocrown]

[QUOTE=superdog;5809770]

Originally Posted by nocrown

if ur considering TSLA, then i think u should go all in UNCRN (unicorn)

I kind of feel bad for you. On a few levels.

u can only feel bad for me if u cant see (the ponzi).... so dont feel too bad for me, on any levels, seen and unseen...

edit: oh and note that it "only" took 22 trillion in central bank "assets" to get the NASDAQ back at par (inflation adjusted) since 15year ago bubble levels.

i know facts are despised, esp at ALL TIME STOCK "MARKET" HIGHS, but hell, i was scoffed in 2007 too.....

[nocrown]

Originally Posted by alubin

I know this will go against most of the opinions here, but so far as investments go I have been looking to and attempting to short TSLA shares for months now but this is next to impossible and the options are expensive as well. I just don't see the upside that everybody else seems to...

logically and w/ due diligence re fundamentals, you are absolutely correct in wanting to short it. but bc we live in a centrally planned more at rigged "market", for now, that is, i would not short just yet.....

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by alubin

I know this will go against most of the opinions here, but so far as investments go I have been looking to and attempting to short TSLA shares for months now but this is next to impossible and the options are expensive as well. I just don't see the upside that everybody else seems to...

I agree , the shorts have been squeezed hard and paying a premium if they can find stock to borrow to short. Problem with shorting, your downside is unlimited the upside is not worth the risk vs the reward.

[nocrown]

& if u dont think these "markets" are rigged, i will furnish u w/ a chart of rogue HFT trades du jour for crAAPL into the millisecond close... & where does Bernanke "consult" now but at Citadel = the big boyz of market rigging HFT and the NY Fed's instruments of blatant rigging:

[Rondineli]

Tesla is pure speculation right now, without a plan or timetable as to when to turn a profit.

If you want to speculate, get some pharmaceuticals, for example, RPRX. The approval date for their leading drug is later this year. At least you will know when you will make some nice profit, or when to cut your losses.

As a rule of thumb, I do not invest more than 5% of my after tax investment money on speculative stocks. I think it is a wise rule, so I do not get carried way into dreaming of a big return, just doesn't materialize.

[nocrown]

good read, for those interested in some of the actual mechanics of "marketz" & financial institutions::::

http://beta.ineteconomics.org/ideas-...ld-fall-on-you

[alubin]

Originally Posted by nocrown

logically and w/ due diligence re fundamentals, you are absolutely correct in wanting to short it. but bc we live in a centrally planned more at rigged "market", for now, that is, i would not short just yet.....

I have yet to find the shares to short so there is no point in speculating, lets just say that my optimal time to short was months ago though I would still have to consider it should the opportunity arise.

[alubin]

Originally Posted by cornerstore

I agree , the shorts have been squeezed hard and paying a premium if they can find stock to borrow to short. Problem with shorting, your downside is unlimited the upside is not worth the risk vs the reward.

Exactly

[mjclark32]

Seth, didn't read the whole thread so take this with a grain of salt.
I was going to buy tesla at $150ish and was talked out of it by an advisor. Watched it jump to $290ish. Had a fit. Then watched it drop to 190. Thought about getting in there. I think the short term ceiling is in the $240 area.
Long term, set it and forget it terms. I think you're ok, but I think at that market cap and share price there are better places to put your money. I have a couple ideas if you want to talk let me know.

[Headshrinker]

I just spent $15,000 on a generator for my home in NJ to prep for any outages; now they come up with solar power. I would still question its worth in the long run, with having to replace batteries at some point but it is intriguing technology.

[77T]

I see the various viewpoints - my take is that perhaps Lithium miners are a good play

The best way to play the lithium revival that will be taking place is the Global X Lithium ETF (NYSE: LIT).

The top holdings for LIT are ROC (20 percent), FMC (20 percent), and SQM (7 percent). The ETF currently has 58 percent of its assets in lithium mining and processing companies with the remainder in the battery makers.

[Laszlo]

SolarCity Corp

[SrFADE]

Originally Posted by cornerstore

"On its usefulness to me" take it where you can get it, dam the social consequences, profit for profits sake. Those charities you refer to rely on large corporate donations to survive and companies such as Apple set a very poor example for others to follow. Its admirable you are dropping them a few beans. I'm glad these guys had a different attitude . Carnegie,Dr. Frank Damrosch & James Loeb, Juilliard School of Music,Joseph Pulitzer, John D. Rockefeller, A.B. Graham, 4-H Clubs,Rev. Edgar J. Helms, Goodwill Industries,Robert Baden-Powell,Milton S. Hershey & Catherine Hershey,W. D. Boyce, Boy Scouts of America , Hans Wilsdorf Rolex http://www.alphatech.sg/2011/05/role...philantropist/

http://www.nptrust.org/history-of-gi...imeline/1900s/

Corner - You have no idea what charities I was referencing or which ones I support. As for your disparaging description of "a few beans" you also have no clue what level of giving is appropriate for me or anyone else. However, you might consider local and direct giving as an alternate to these goliaths you have listed that have significant overhead structures. I'm done with this thread as I have now made my opinion on investing in TSLA clear and I'm tired of your uninformed assumptions about me. Thanks for playing though. See you around the forum.

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by SrFADE

Corner - You have no idea what charities I was referencing or which ones I support. As for your disparaging description of "a few beans" you also have no clue what level of giving is appropriate for me or anyone else. However, you might consider local and direct giving as an alternate to these goliaths you have listed that have significant overhead structures. I'm done with this thread as I have now made my opinion on investing in TSLA clear and I'm tired of your uninformed assumptions about me. Thanks for playing though. See you around the forum.

Speaking of uninformed assumptions. I've spent the last 12 years giving my time freely to a small local charity, the goliaths you mention built your country and mine,and left a legacy. Small local charities rely on grants from those very goliaths you disparage . As I said read your history. Rolex gives 50% of profits yearly to philanthropic causes, Apples legacy is a pile of toxic plastic parts filling landfills.

[superdog]

Jesus. I was just asking if people thought it was a good idea or not.

Let's all just settle down.

To play it safe, but still play, I'm going to buy a Daytonas worth and see where it goes. No big deal.

[cornerstore]

[QUOTE=superdog;5810216] Jesus. now, now no religious talk point taken.

[poster]

Originally Posted by superdog

I'm going to buy a Daytonas worth

I'm going to use this with my sales desk the next time I put on a trade and see if he gets it. But do you mean a 6263 or a 116520?

[superdog]

Originally Posted by poster

I'm going to use this with my sales desk the next time I put on a trade and see if he gets it. But do you mean a 6263 or a 116520?

116520.

[tfly212]

Its a stock to trade... Not sure about it as a long term investment. 2x ford f150s were sold in a month than teslas in a year. And while musk is genius...he seems to not focus on any one thing very long. If you hold it...expect a lot of vol

[Gaijin]

My buddy made a bunch of money in Tesla, but he got in early and got out. He said he would not touch it now.

As for me I own Ford and watch it daily doing nothing even though they are selling a bunch of cars and trucks. Unlike Tesla. Ford is a proven company and a long term hold for me.

[azguy]

The smart guy would play LIT, the guy that wants to say at a party that they "own Tesla" will buy the stock. Musk is the problem IMHO, who needs a $100k electric roadster BMW, Mercedes and others will crush them once they get fully behind it, plus Tesla has distribution issues and is one battery fire away from a 25% 10 seconds decline.

Play the battery technology, not the car maker IMHO

[superdog]

Originally Posted by azguy

The smart guy would play LIT, the guy that wants to say at a party that they "own Tesla" will buy the stock. Musk is the problem IMHO, who needs a $100k electric roadster BMW, Mercedes and others will crush them once they get fully behind it, plus Tesla has distribution issues and is one battery fire away from a 25% 10 seconds decline.

Play the battery technology, not the car maker IMHO

For me personally, I dont care much for saying I own any stock. Regardless of the stock.

But I do enjoying saying I own my house, cars, etc and have zero debt. Any stock I buy is in hopes to add saying I own a nice vacation house or a nyc one bedroom in the future.

Right now I don't own any stocks. Got burnt years ago twice and have been very hesitant since. I've got an ira, and a few various funds set up by my "expert".

Just looking see how I can dip my toe in and make some money.

Your advice seems sound tho, and for sure, I'll keep doing my research before investing any real money.

[zama]

Electric is not the future, Hydrogen may well be, in any case it is a short run speculative approach, with various government funding.

[Laszlo]

Originally Posted by zama

Electric is not the future, Hydrogen may well be, in any case it is a short run speculative approach, with various government funding.

Jevons paradox...

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by superdog

For me personally, I dont care much for saying I own any stock. Regardless of the stock.

But I do enjoying saying I own my house, cars, etc and have zero debt. Any stock I buy is in hopes to add saying I own a nice vacation house or a nyc one bedroom in the future.

Right now I don't own any stocks. Got burnt years ago twice and have been very hesitant since. I've got an ira, and a few various funds set up by my "expert".

Just looking see how I can dip my toe in and make some money.

Your advice seems sound tho, and for sure, I'll keep doing my research before investing any real money.

A macro view ,there have been large outflows and record margin debt .

http://business.financialpost.com/in...d-buying-bonds

US-based stock funds have $7.3 billion outflow: Lipper

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/market/a...-lipper-321428

[Brunotheboxer]

Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel.


Btw I wouldn't touch the stock.