Patek Philippe Calatrava 5196G on my mind

[Socal to az]

Originally Posted by scarlet knight

I have had many cordial, professional and fair transactions with Govberg, including the purchase of a Patek Calatrava. I wonder if all the naysayers have had a bad personal experience with them.

Nope. Have not bought anything from them nor will I.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

Nope. Have not bought anything from them nor will I.

And after what we've learned, nor will I.

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

I went to Tiffany & Co to view a 5196G today. Wow! Such a simple, beautiful, elegant watch. I wasn't totally sold on the Tiffany & Co stamp, so I am still trying to decide if I should purchase this one or go through a local AD that I would like to establish a continuing relationship with. Any 5196 lovers out there?

The 5196 is a beautiful watch and a good size for a Calatrava. Whether to have a Tiffany stamp on the dial or not is pure personal preference. Some people like the Tiffany stamp and/or think there is a resale premium. Others would rather not have it as the double label is seen as a marketing gimmick. Most Calatravas are slow sellers, so ADs should be willing to give you a good price on the watch.

[remz07twos]

Nothing bigger than 40mm. I’d say 38-40.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

The 5196 is a beautiful watch and a good size for a Calatrava. Whether to have a Tiffany stamp on the dial or not is pure personal preference. Some people like the Tiffany stamp and/or think there is a resale premium. Others would rather not have it as the double label is seen as a marketing gimmick. Most Calatravas are slow sellers, so ADs should be willing to give you a good price on the watch.

Thanks for the information jon_jon. I am now definitely leaning toward the cleaner, Patek only branded dial.

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Thanks for the information jon_jon. I am now definitely leaning toward the cleaner, Patek only branded dial.

In which case a discount from the AD should be in order (not so with Tiffany).

Good luck and look forward to the incoming.

[remz07twos]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Thanks for the information jon_jon. I am now definitely leaning toward the cleaner, Patek only branded dial.

I definitely wouldn’t consider cobranding a marketing gimmick. It’s been going on for decades without change. There’s a lot of history between the companies.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by remz07twos

I definitely wouldn’t consider cobranding a marketing gimmick. It’s been going on for decades without change. There’s a lot of history between the companies.

I agree. The history behind the Calatrava and the extended relationship between Patek Philippe and Tiffany & Co. is what led me to think the 5196 would lend itself well to a co-branded dial, and I still feel as though it does... That said, I am not sure I prefer the double stamped dial enough to pay list for the watch if the Patek only branded watch can be sourced for less.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

I agree. The history behind the Calatrava and the extended relationship between Patek Philippe and Tiffany & Co. is what led me to think the 5196 would lend itself well to a co-branded dial, and I still feel as though it does... That said, I am not sure I prefer the double stamped dial enough to pay list for the watch if the Patek only branded watch can be sourced for less.

I think with a purchase of this size it's more important to get what you really want than to save a few bucks. A year from now the extra cost will be long forgotten.

That said, I personally don't like the co-branding. Gimmick or not.

[remz07twos]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

I agree. The history behind the Calatrava and the extended relationship between Patek Philippe and Tiffany & Co. is what led me to think the 5196 would lend itself well to a co-branded dial, and I still feel as though it does... That said, I am not sure I prefer the double stamped dial enough to pay list for the watch if the Patek only branded watch can be sourced for less.

I agree with what Tony said, the cost difference after a year won’t matter. At 10% it’s literally $1/working hour. The 5196 does an amazing job of showcasing both brands without being unsightly on the dial (like the 5296).

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Tony64

I think with a purchase of this size it's more important to get what you really want than to save a few bucks. A year from now the extra cost will be long forgotten.

That said, I personally don't like the co-branding. Gimmick or not.

Originally Posted by remz07twos

I agree with what Tony said, the cost difference after a year won’t matter. At 10% it’s literally $1/working hour. The 5196 does an amazing job of showcasing both brands without being unsightly on the dial (like the 5296).

Point taken! Seeing as I am a bit undecided and already leaning toward the cleaner dial, the 10% or so discount could be the deciding factor. If I were sure I really wanted the Tiffany stamp, I would be more than willing to pay the premium at Tiffany & Co. I appreciate your insights and opinions. Thanks!

[s.m.b.]

Having decided I prefer the 5196G more without the Tiffany & Co. stamp, I contacted my local AD and made an inquiry regarding inventory. He didn't have one in the store but he contacted Patek on Monday and was told 2-6 weeks. The AD contacted me today and said my 5196G arrived today. I'm excited to say the least!

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Having decided I prefer the 5196G more without the Tiffany & Co. stamp, I contacted my local and made an inquiry regarding inventory. He didn't have one in the store but he contacted Patek on Monday and was told 2-6 weeks. The AD contacted me today and said my 5196G arrived today. I'm excited to say he least!

Congrats in advance! Look forward to the pics.

[Calatrava r]

I love it. Have the 5196G. Go for it, it seems these should be discontinued at some point with a 39mm case and larger movement offering a display back. The fact this one is 37mm and has a solid back is really stellar.

[rkot07]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Having decided I prefer the 5196G more without the Tiffany & Co. stamp, I contacted my local AD and made an inquiry regarding inventory. He didn't have one in the store but he contacted Patek on Monday and was told 2-6 weeks. The AD contacted me today and said my 5196G arrived today. I'm excited to say the least!

Congratulations, can’t wait to see pictures. You won’t be disappointed it’s a excellent watch!


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[Atlantic]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

I’m pretty sure Govberg carries it. Here is their website- www.wearecrooks.com

[dumdeedum]

I am looking at this exact watch. It looks beautiful and I think the 37mm size is perfect for a dress watch. How much of a discount can be expected for a production model such as this one in the US or in Geneva?

[s.m.b.]

Man-o-man, my new 5196G will be arriving tomorrow morning.

[psv]

Reviving this thread - thinking of picking up a 5196R (rose gold), and I’ve been offered a Tiffany one. Current retail is $22,680 + tax

With or without Tiffany?

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by psv

Reviving this thread - thinking of picking up a 5196R (rose gold), and I’ve been offered a Tiffany one. Current retail is $22,680 + tax

With or without Tiffany?

I think the T stamp for a relatively "small" premium might be worth it especially if you're keeping it for the long haul.

I vote Tiffany for this one :)

[Sveng]

Calls to upsize this beautiful classic just make me shake my head. Please Patek, please don’t!

[dmacintyre]

Originally Posted by RUK

Love it!

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That would be all I’d need as a collection. Perfect.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by dmacintyre

That would be all I’d need as a collection. Perfect.

You think it’s enough. But it’s Never enough

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

You think it’s enough. But it’s Never enough

Agreed.

[MadSpaniard]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

You think it’s enough. But it’s Never enough

Yeah we're all like addicts hanging around a crack house, "just one more hit and I promise I'll quit!"

[psv]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

I think the T stamp for a relatively "small" premium might be worth it especially if you're keeping it for the long haul.

I vote Tiffany for this one :)

One can get a mint 5196r for $16k-ish so it actually becomes about a 30% premium, but then again, you would have a brand new watch with the papers/warranty in your name, and a watch config that is very rare.

Am I talking myself into it? :-)

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by psv

One can get a mint 5196r for $16k-ish so it actually becomes about a 30% premium, but then again, you would have a brand new watch with the papers/warranty in your name, and a watch config that is very rare.

Am I talking myself into it? :-)

It truely is a great watch. One of the best belhaus designs out there. For 16k. It’s a good price. You should be able to negotiate slightly lower in this market.

[psv]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

It truely is a great watch. One of the best belhaus designs out there. For 16k. It’s a good price. You should be able to negotiate slightly lower in this market.

Right, which makes buying one at msrp + sales tax, with our without Tiffany stamp, even a taller order.

Even at a first glance, there are 102 5196’s available on Chrono24, 15 of those are rose gold.

Given how long this model has been in production, it is not scarce watch.

Finally, I love the simple early 1930-ies Bauhaus design - does adding an extra Tiffany stamp on the dial actually diminish the design?

[Tay821]

Don't buy for "investment" purposes on this one. Buy b/c you want the stamp and what it stands for. IF you don't care about that then find and AD that will sell to you at ~20% off

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by psv

Right, which makes buying one at msrp + sales tax, with our without Tiffany stamp, even a taller order.

Even at a first glance, there are 102 5196’s available on Chrono24, 15 of those are rose gold.

Given how long this model has been in production, it is not scarce watch.

Finally, I love the simple early 1930-ies Bauhaus design - does adding an extra Tiffany stamp on the dial actually diminish the design?

I think adding a t-stamp doesn't do anything but for my family. We are Tiffany fans. So adding a stamp for us is more of getting something that is special for us.