32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by Andad

I noted you were +/-0 after 68 hours.

Was this dial up during this time?

My 3235 was also accurate towards the end of its power reserve dial up but my TimeG showed that other positions would not have given me anywhere near the same result.

The watch just sat in the timegrapher through the entire 71 hours. In between readings it was dial up. When I'd take a round of readings I would start with the current position (dial up), then switch to crown down, let it settle for 2 mins, take the reading, then put it back in dial up and walk away. So the majority of the time was spent in dial up.

But this is where tracking multiple metrics is key in my mind. Saying it was +/0 at 68 hours basically makes it sound like things were running perfectly at that point. They were not. At this moment, the dial up performance was -17 s/d and amplitude was so low the machine was not reading it. The crown down performance was so bad it couldn't get a rate or timekeeping reading (at 66 hours, the last time crown down produced a rate, it was doing -37 s/d).

The bottom line is, things were deteriorating rapidly, but only near the end, so it didn't have enough time to "pull down" the overall time results too far.

For what it's worth, hour 60 is around the last time I was able to get full readings for both positions. At this time the horizontal amplitude was 173 and the vertical was 124. Timekeeping was -4 s/d and -9 s/d, respectively. So still not terrible timekeeping even with ridiculous amplitudes.

[saxo3]

Just saw that in another thread with the following text from "Meyrin":
Just in case anyone's interested these instructions came with my bought-new 1996 14060 Sub

[EEpro]

Just wanted to share this. The 32xx in my GMT is officially the most accurate movement I've ever owned. I hope it can keep it up for years. My DJ41 did not.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Just wanted to share this. The 32xx in my GMT is officially the most accurate movement I've ever owned. I hope it can keep it up for years. My DJ41 did not.

Congratulations, impressive.
What is the GMT purchase date?
Thanks for sharing good results.
Btw. how often did you wind it?

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Just wanted to share this. The 32xx in my GMT is officially the most accurate movement I've ever owned. I hope it can keep it up for years. My DJ41 did not.

Yep my dj36 had quartz level accuracy.


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Congratulations, impressive.
What is the GMT purchase date?
Thanks for sharing good results.
Btw. how often did you wind it?

It's auto wind only since purchase date 11.2020. New style card etc. I wear it almost daily. If I know it's going to be more than a day it sleeps 6 up on an Orbita Sparta in 14 min rocking intervals.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Just wanted to share this. The 32xx in my GMT is officially the most accurate movement I've ever owned. I hope it can keep it up for years. My DJ41 did not.

Congrats on that Brad. It definitely feels like this movement has a lot of potential to be a stellar time keeper. Even those who hit significant problems seemed to start out with great accuracy. By the time our kids are wearing ours they should all be flawless ;)

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

By the time our kids are wearing ours they should all be flawless ;)

Hopefuly a bit earlier

[Michael N Q8]

I picked my BLRO up from the service center in Kuwait yesterday and as usual, the service was excellent. They did not elaborate on what was wrong though, they just stated “full service”. I set it with the atomic time and so far its gaining about 4 sec per day, and the reading on the timegrapher (phone app) shows a big improvement when compared to the readings from before. Now, I have to monitor how it performs over the longer term. So far, its good.

[Michael N Q8]

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[saxo3]

Michael, thanks for coming back here with all this information, much appreciated.

Did you do timegrapher measurements before/after the Rolex service?

My SD43 for comaprison, the difference in rates and amplitudes was huge.

Interesting to note that the 5-position-averaged rate of my SD43 increased a bit over time after the service.

[Fuzzyme]

For fun I've downloaded a few phone apps to check watches and have found them very unreliable.

Can I ask which ones are being used by people reporting time keeping of their watches in this thread.

Maybe there's one that is reliable, that I don't know about.

[francis]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

For fun I've downloaded a few phone apps to check watches and have found them very unreliable.

Can I ask which ones are being used by people reporting time keeping of their watches in this thread.

Maybe there's one that is reliable, that I don't know about.

I just used my phone time. I would set the time to exactly 6 pm on my dj 126300 and the next day at 6 pm it would be 30 seconds slow compared to the phone time. No need for apps and I’m not sure what other app I would need to figure out my watch is horrible at keeping time


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by francis

I just used my phone time. I would set the time to exactly 6 pm on my dj 126300 and the next day at 6 pm it would be 30 seconds slow compared to the phone time. No need for apps and I’m not sure what other app I would need to figure out my watch is horrible at keeping time


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In effect, you're saying a bit of common sense and intelligence can make an app to measure watch accuracy on a practical level totally redundant.

Naturally

[Fuzzyme]

Just from recent history of this thread, I believe post 730 and 732 are taken from a phone app.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

Just from recent history of this thread, I believe post 730 and 732 are taken from a phone app.

Post #732 displays measurement data taken with a timegrapher. This plot has nothing in common with a phone app.

[Fuzzyme]

"TIMEGRAPHER"
Makes me giggle every time.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

For fun I've downloaded a few phone apps to check watches and have found them very unreliable.

Can I ask which ones are being used by people reporting time keeping of their watches in this thread.

Maybe there's one that is reliable, that I don't know about.

The best one I know of doesn't measure your watch at all. It just keeps track of time reported on your watch and compares it to atomic. You can get rates, deviation, and some statistics but obviously no beat error or instantaneous rate data for positional measurement.

I was disappointed by the phone apps and bought the made in China knockoff timing machine to play with. It's pretty easy to make one of these machines repeatable but as you know the accuracy is only as good as the cal... and I don't think it has one.

[Fuzzyme]

Clock Tuner and Tickoprint listen to your watch. It's very bad and not very close to what the watch is actually timing at

[Michael N Q8]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Michael, thanks for coming back here with all this information, much appreciated.

Did you do timegrapher measurements before/after the Rolex service?

Hi, I did take a few timegrapher measurements but they were all over the place so I think one cannot read much more into it than the fact that the movement needed attention urgently.

[Michael N Q8]

This was before the service:



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[Andad]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

Clock Tuner and Tickoprint listen to your watch. It's very bad and not very close to what the watch is actually timing at

I think most listen to your watch unless you have a psychic app?

But you as an experienced watchmaker, qualified to give all this advice, would know that?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Andad

I think most listen to your watch unless you have a psychic app?

But you as an experienced watchmaker, qualified to give all this advice, would know that?

An experienced watchmaker would never giggle about timegrapher instruments and data. That's a total disqualifier.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Michael N Q8

Hi, I did take a few timegrapher measurements but they were all over the place so I think one cannot read much more into it than the fact that the movement needed attention urgently.

Hi, what I found surprising in your BLRO data set (before repair) were the very high beat errors of 7.2 to 9.2 ms.

I never ever measured a beat error > 0.8 ms for any of my movements (15xx, 31xx, 32xx).

Btw, the lift angle for the 32xx series is 53 and not 52 degrees; using 52 results in amplitude values that are about 6 degrees too low compared with 53, not a big deal.

[Fuzzyme]

Originally Posted by saxo3

An experienced watchmaker would never giggle about timegrapher instruments and data. That's a total disqualifier.

That makes me laugh even more.

Timegrapher........ha ha ha.


TIMEGRAPHER........LOL

[Tridor]

I find it fascinating that one or more Rolex fan boys refuse to believe that there is an issue with the 32xx movement. The fact is that there IS a problem, as confirmed by many anecdotal examples over the years, and testing by knowledgeable forum members. To me, this "new" movement is a bust and I prefer to stick with the 31xx series as a time-tested, robust, and reliable product. To each their own, but calling this thread stupid is, in and if itself, ridiculous. I have found it to be informative and validating.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by Tridor

I find it fascinating that one or more Rolex fan boys refuse to believe that there is an issue with the 32xx movement. The fact is that there IS a problem, as confirmed by many anecdotal examples over the years, and testing by knowledgeable forum members. To me, this "new" movement is a bust and I prefer to stick with the 31xx series as a time-tested, robust, and reliable product. To each their own, but calling this thread stupid is, in and if itself, ridiculous. I have found it to be informative and validating.

Well said.

I find it very strange that members who have nothing constructive to add to this thread, either by virtue of not owning a 32xx at all, or owning one that fortunately for them doesn't manifest any issues (yet!), seem to believe that everyone else must therefore be making things up, or imagining it, or should just "live with it". Then again, when we have elements of society nowadays who believe that the Earth's flat, I guess I shouldn't be surprised!

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

That makes me laugh even more.

Timegrapher........ha ha ha.


TIMEGRAPHER........LOL

Well that takes me back to my days in playschool, laughing at "funny words". We've come such a long way...

[Mystro]

This thread is excellent and filled with information and owners feedback. There shouldn’t be any push back to openly discuss the new 32 movement and potential issues if you are a enthusiast but it’s not inquisitive and curious enthusiast driving the Rolex market these days.

It’s obvious there is a huge force to direct and influence the “optics” of the Rolex brand to a flawless reputation. I can only assume this goes beyond the typical fanboy love and more of a monetary motivation. Too many people are in too deep with what they paid for their Rolex and “need” the inflated secondary market to stay solid and keep the Pyramid market strong.
Any negative report or possibility of a movement issue can jeopardize this and dismissed as “tinfoil hat” conspiracies by ignorant owners that can’t tell if their watch is losing more seconds in a day than in-spec. Empirical data is too complicated to interpret and best left unspoken as you can not trust your lying eyes or basic math skills. I guess as long as you can keep flipping your watch for a few grand profit, proper movement performance is inconsequential.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by Mystro

This thread is excellent and filled with information and owners feedback. There shouldn’t be any push back to openly discuss the new 32 movement and potential issues if you are a enthusiast but it’s not inquisitive and curious enthusiast driving the Rolex market these days.

It’s obvious there is a huge force to direct and influence the “optics” of the Rolex brand to a flawless reputation. I can only assume this goes beyond the typical fanboy love and more of a monetary motivation. Too many people are in too deep with what they paid for their Rolex and “need” the inflated secondary market to stay solid and keep the Pyramid market strong.
Any negative report or possibility of a movement issue can jeopardize this and dismissed as “tinfoil hat” conspiracies by ignorant owners that can’t tell if their watch is losing more seconds in a day than in-spec. Empirical data is too complicated to interpret and best left unspoken as you can not trust your lying eyes or basic math skills. I guess as long as you can keep flipping your watch for a few grand profit, proper movement performance is inconsequential.

You nailed it .