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20 April 2020, 10:21 AM | #62 | |
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I agree. SS Daytonas, PP 5711 and 5167 are all selling well above msrp. The only "regular" Journe over msrp on the used market is the CB. All of the standard watches are below, just like a similar AP or not popular Patek. The difference is that they used to sell on the used market for less than 50% of msrp, now they are more like 70-80 %. I believe its not price manipulation by watchbox, but more people are just interested in the brand and the watches. |
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21 April 2020, 01:37 PM | #63 |
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In, the latest trading desk podcast from Watchbox, they discussed it being a good idea for independents to “partner” with secondary market dealers in order to control the prices of their watches on the secondary. They then essentially implied that this was the relationship with FPJ.
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22 April 2020, 02:23 AM | #64 |
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I did email the local dealer here about a Blue Chronometer. But like Rolex it seems I have to buy another piece first from them to get on the list.
I am sure they will have no issue, as the super high end pieces still seem to be selling without issue. "Thank you for your interest in the F.P. Journe collection. The Chronometer Blue is not in stock and we are only offering this rare piece to customers as a second F.P. Journe purchase. Regards, Marco Bandiera Bandiera Jewellers" |
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By the way, I have noticed that on Watchbox website, they offer 2 years warranty to Journe watches. However I also do remember from a video they made, they said FPJ don't like third party touches their watches or would charge double when return to service.
In this case, if something goes wrong with the Journe's watch I buy within 2 years, return it, who service it? Anyone with real knowledge? |
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22 April 2020, 09:50 PM | #67 | |
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When I bought my last pre owned Journe from Watchbox I was told the warranty work was done by FPJ. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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23 April 2020, 08:09 AM | #69 | |
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At the core, all of the traditional big houses of high watchmaking essentially celebrate the „art de faire“ by finding more or less original ways to build watches that comply with the standards of flawless workmanship and finishing to the highest extent possible. And while that’s great to maintain the art and craft, the products are undeniably repetitive and do not translate into the pursuit of a particular engineering objective. In the end, it’s always the same calendars/chronographs/tourbillons/chiming watches/worldtimers, or any combination thereof. Other than the Zeitwerk, this approach has yielded very little true innovation, but as a customer, you know you’re buying the time of a person polishing angles with a handheld touret or, in the best cases, a bois de gentiane somewhere in the vicinity of the Lac de Joux or south of Dresden. In other words, you buy a piece of a century old labour of love that‘s somehow unbelievably valuable, wonderful and deserving of being maintained, despite it’s ultimate pointlessness. FPJ on the other hand is entirely different in that respect. Rather than celebrating the steady hand of the person applying a flawless finish (which I would argue is acceptable but not FPJ‘s core strength), the brand is about realizing the more or less genius ideas of one of the very few truly great watchmakers of our time. Yes, not everything is perfect, like the inherently flawed concept of the centigraphe or the debatable merits of the resonance, but unlike the others, FPJ pursued clear objectives, tried to advance what we understand a watch‘s abilities to be and actually executed his concepts, whether or not in a quality that may rival the very best. In the meantime, Patek made „inspired“ (using this very ironically here) things like a watch with handwriting on the dial, a nice but not world changing pusher system for dual time watches with awkward holes in the dial and a pilot’s watch with an alarm that might as well be a JLC, if not for the consistently outstanding quality of their execution. Lange made countless variations of the one good idea they had with the Zeitwerk, on an equally impressive level of quality and Vacheron did nothing original at all (with the possible exception of its last GPHG watch), but did that amazingly well. On this basis, I would call the comparison apples to oranges and suggest that we just respect FPJ for who he is, without indulging in the pump and dump hype some outlets may or may not be fuelling, and without attempting to position his product among those of a range of other brands that are built according to an entirely different rulebook.
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WB currently lists 47 FPJ watches for sale, but only 35 from ALS. Of course, both these numbers are nothing to the 122 Pateks. So while I wouldn’t say the numbers don’t add up entirely, I believe what the numbers show is that there are less ALS watches out there than popular parlance would have you believe. I think it’s also a relatively fair observation that a high proportion of the total output of FPJ ends up on the secondary market. Patek makes over 60 times as many watches as FPJ, yet there are not even 3 times as many Patek listings WB as there are FPJ listings... the FPJ listings are all clearly pre owned and worn, so it’s not really a matter of pushing through AD stock either. The fact of the matter is that, unlike Patek dress watches, FPJ watches have clearly become an object in high demand (hype?), which encourages people to release what they have into the market.
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Vacheron, in addition a "possible exception" you mentioned, have released the most complication watch ever made a couple of years ago if I'm not mistaken. Lange, oh well, the Triple Split... |
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24 April 2020, 02:57 AM | #75 |
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I just discovered this brand a few days ago from a video I saw online with Kevin O’Leary from shark tank. Last Saturday I started a thread about wanting a Patek, but I might have to reconsider now. Some of FP Journe dials are simply amazing. I personally like the Octa Lune LN G 42 A which is the moon phase with gold dial. The movement is beautiful. Highly considering this watch.
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Hype or not. They are awesome watches. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I live local to the Govberg Ardmore location and stop in the store every so often. I've seen a bunch of the new FPJ watches they're selling. They are amazing watches in person. Forget ALS and Patek (which they also sell), FPJ is my money no option choice. They speak to me much louder than many other high end brands. Perhaps I should take them up on the quartz FPJ they keep pushing on me everytime I visit.
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You just described my story into Journe. I looked at Journe two years ago after being fed up with waitlists. Now, on waitlists again. But, the watches are just stunning. Big fan and can’t speak highly enough of them. Love the Miami boutique. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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They do make exceptional watches.
Exhibit - A Steel resonance. 1 of 38 pieces.
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So jealous! Pls go talk to Rocky. Dude is amazing. Never been to the store and never shaken his hand (yet) but he has helped me a lot on this journey. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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No addiction here.
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Does it bother anyone that they stamp vs hand guilloche the patterned dials? That's something that has always bothered me as an odd shortcut/cost savings to take....
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For my own edification, what is wrong with the centrigraphe? Thats the second FPJ am targetting. |
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Watchbox originally took a position in Journe
because Danny Govberg and his associates loved Journe. They had taken positions in other brands that never panned out. Danny and George both wear Journe over other brands. I think its more of being in the right place at the right time. People want them and they were cheaper than comparable lange or patek, now they are not.
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