Roger W Smith or Patek Philippe

[enjoythemusic]

Neither. Go for something more unique from a top-end independent. Once you've had a few Pateks, ALS, etc you research and find there are some very exciting independents with lovely complications. Break away from mainstream. You deserve more that what everyone else has. :)

Here are some ideas:
http://www.watchprosite.com/independents/16/0/#fs:1405

[Finkalot]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Neither. Go for something more unique from a top-end independent. Once you've had a few Pateks, ALS, etc you research and find there are some very exciting independents with lovely complications. Break away from mainstream. You deserve more that what everyone else has. :)

Here are some ideas:
http://www.watchprosite.com/independents/16/0/#fs:1405

Haha Patek and ALS are mainstream? I'm all of 2016, I've only seen two Pateks in the wild.

For what it's worth, I know what you mean... Pateks and ALS are serially produced watches. Independents give you something unique that no one else has. Still... made me chuckle and no offense intended.


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[Finkalot]

Originally Posted by LitzDoc

The man said that he sold his 5270 Blue dial because the date got stuck. He then bought the same watch 5270 with a white dial. If the movement controls the date and the movements are the same won't he have the same problem with the white dial 5270?


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It was a QC issue with the blue dial piece... not the entire movement on all watches.


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[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Or explorer 1

Pictures don't lie Roger Smith loves the Explorer 1

[enjoythemusic]

Finkalot, you're awesome and thx for understanding. We need to support more of the truly innovative creative types in the industry IMHO. Depending on the crowd you find yourself in, Pateks and others are just typical (Rolex are dime a dozen, ALS are 'nice'...) yet the guys who stand out are those breaking the 'rules'.

Again, thanks for understanding guys and my hopes are to see more support for independents who truly care and take great creativity in their work and not just a mainstream (relative) manufacturer. Sure my Rolexes, like the many Pateks before them, were fun and daily beaters, yet after a few decades my next truly fun pieces will be something very special.

PS of the two RWS would be my choice. Open dial please :)

[997.2TTS]

Originally Posted by kunlun

The Roger Smith is in another league, literally not comparable.

This is like when there is a poll between a Rolex and a PP and people choose the Rolex. Sure, pick what you like, but they are not on the same level at all.

Agreed


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[LitzDoc]

Originally Posted by Finkalot

It was a QC issue with the blue dial piece... not the entire movement on all watches.


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Got it. Thanks.


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[robertgrom]

Patek.

[Socal to az]

What's the resale value on a roger smith?

[PJ S]

^
If you have to ask, you can't afford it!

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

What's the resale value on a roger smith?

Resale? Since you brought it up then a Rolex makes far more sense as you can get 30% to 35% discount if you're wise. So during resale you'll lose far less money on a Rolex than a Patek Philippe. Sure there are the odd money makers for both brands, yet overall a modern (mass produced) Patek versus Rolex i'll take the Rolex if you're asking about ease of flipping and lower % / money in loss.

Call around to dealers of both brands and tell them you have model ____ for sale and see what they offer. Then look at what you can buy each for in the market and compare for yourself.

[texex91]

So Karl a lot of comments...what did you decide?

[SearChart]

I don't like the 5270, I would pick the Roger Smith.

[Socal to az]

Originally Posted by PJ S

^
If you have to ask, you can't afford it!

Oh I can afford it. I just would rather not piss 40% of the value down the toilet.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

Oh I can afford it. I just would rather not piss 40% of the value down the toilet.

Then wait for a used one to come into market. NEVER rush a small production watch purchase if you're seeking a 'value play'. i've waited years until a certain model became available at an attractive price. There a specific Roger Dubuis they made only 27 of that i'm still waiting for in the used market.

Same advice goes for exotic cars. Wait it out to find a deal / desperate seller / market to turn your way.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by texex91

So Karl a lot of comments...what did you decide?

None of these 2, but he clearly says in the thread which one he chose, it's more RWS style than Patek style, should make a great incoming

[texex91]

Originally Posted by lapince

None of these 2, but he clearly says in the thread which one he chose, it's more RWS style than Patek style, should make a great incoming

Sorry--thread was too long for me to read...

[lapince]

Originally Posted by texex91

Sorry--thread was too long for me to read...

Posts 76 and 79

[Socal to az]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Then wait for a used one to come into market. NEVER rush a small production watch purchase if you're seeking a 'value play'. i've waited years until a certain model became available at an attractive price. There a specific Roger Dubuis they made only 27 of that i'm still waiting for in the used market.

Same advice goes for exotic cars. Wait it out to find a deal / desperate seller / market to turn your way.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not looking for a value play. I'm trying to point out there is. I used market for a roger smith as far as I can tell. I would buy a Patek any day of the week and twice on Sunday because the moment you pay for a roger smith, you lost 40%.

Now it's not all about the money and you should buy what you love but I have zero interest in a watch that will 1000% lose money and frankly looks plain and boring.

There are some Pateks that look plain and boring but atleast they are a Patek. They have some pedigree behind them.

But I do agree about your point about waiting for value. Never ever will I buy a brand new exotic. Almost picked up a Mclaren last year - it was 330k new. I was getting it for 225k with 1500 miles.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by texex91

So Karl a lot of comments...what did you decide?

Kari Voutilainen...lots of reasons at the end of the day....I could start a thread with the first images and the journey....

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

But I do agree about your point about waiting for value. Never ever will I buy a brand new exotic. Almost picked up a Mclaren last year - it was 330k new. I was getting it for 225k with 1500 miles.

Nice! Apologies for a bit OT here yet we've had plenty of watch talk ;)

Am on the second Bentley and (finally) have grown tired of it plus the VW Group is horrible and continually refuses to admit the various known $$$$ defects. My Porsche friends have also grown tired of the VW Groups problems. So have been looking at the typical, more sporty, alternatives. So far for the money the Jaguar F-Type R seems the best value used and she really is a fun driver's car. Ok, a Vette is great bang for buck, but that, ummmm, interior.... McLaren is nice and been down the Ferrari road for years (tracked her often).

Back OT, yes waiting it out and buying used from a motivated seller has benefits. Have a feeling in about six to nine months we're going to see something interesting in the market that leans towards desperate sellers seeking buyers. JMHO as RE is beginning to crack in multiple locations, art world is already downward...

[lapince]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Kari Voutilainen...lots of reasons at the end of the day....I could start a thread with the first images and the journey....

Same here, on the "unique watch" segment, he was the only one which was funky enough and in my possible price range, so now you know it, but many had guessed, it's Voutilainen

[hillcrestboy2002]

Had the chance to meet both Kari Voutilainen and Roger Smith at last years Salon QP. Both very approachable guys and chatted with them both at length and got to handle some great pieces. Stupidly I didn't take any photos when I was with Roger but took a couple of shots when I was with Kari. The blue dial was unbelievable to look at. I much preferred it to the other piece. My first post here so hopefully the images upload correctly.

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by hillcrestboy2002

Had the chance to meet both Kari Voutilainen and Roger Smith at last years Salon QP. Both very approachable guys and chatted with them both at length and got to handle some great pieces. Stupidly I didn't take any photos when I was with Roger but took a couple of shots when I was with Kari. The blue dial was unbelievable to look at. I much preferred it to the other piece. My first post here so hopefully the images upload correctly.

These are really somethin'

[KarlS]

He will be at SalonQP again this year

[enjoythemusic]

Great pics hillcrestboy, thanks for posting.

[locutus49]

That blue Patek is killer.

[hillcrestboy2002]

I can't stress how friendly and approachable both guys were. Roger was not precious in any way about letting people handle the watches, which if memory serves were in the 200-300k range and Kari Voutilainen chatted at length about his design inspirations for his watches, the shapes of classic cars and such like, he even said I was welcome to visit his workshop at any time. How he will build you whatever you like. It was a real pleasure. Meant to post these photos a couple of weeks ago but was really prompted to do it today after the awful IMHO releases from Patek yesterday and how Patek stack up against the independents. I appreciate how you are maybe not comparing like with like but I was just so saddened by those releases yesterday.

[Dandoun]

Watches are not an investment. Buy what you like.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by KarlS

He will be at SalonQP again this year

Voutilainen is also at Baselworld every year, usually busy talking with people coming from the Far East.