Was offered new Sub date by AD

[alphadweller]

Expect the best, prepare for the worst. That's what AD visits have become to me. But you've got to try.

[Ravager135]

Bundling is just incredibly lame. I can't say it any other way. I can see my way to understanding an AD's desire to sell in-demand watches to customers who have spent money at their location. I can even understand an AD implying that a customer might need to spend money at their location before being offered in-demand pieces. However; essentially telling a customer that you have the piece they want, but they need to buy this or that to get it is pathetic.

It's alright not to sell someone something, but to dangle it... I don't know... If something is in the store, it isn't being saved for someone else, and the client is willing to pay the MSRP for it, it should go to them.

[mountainjogger]

Same story again. Same outrage by many again.

But the reality doesn't change...

This is a luxury item.

The new sub, is... well a new release of a sought after piece.

Just checked, and David SW has a 2019 114060 list at $11,375.

So, I have to ask, if you were an AD would you sell a new sought after limited supply watch for 3 grand less than market rate for a used discontinued piece to someone who was not a regularl (as in several times a year) big spender? Or would you save it for big dollar customers and or those who were willing to by a less popular Rolex as well.?

And remember, you are in business to make money, not help WIS find the one piece they want.

Just curious.

Stay safe.

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

Same story again. Same outrage by many again.

But the reality doesn't change...

This is a luxury item.

The new sub, is... well a new release of a sought after piece.

Just checked, and David SW has a 2019 114060 list at $11,375.

So, I have to ask, if you were an AD would you sell a new sought after limited supply watch for 3 grand less than market rate for a used discontinued piece to someone who was not a regularl (as in several times a year) big spender? Or would you save it for big dollar customers and or those who were willing to by a less popular Rolex as well.?

And remember, you are in business to make money, not help WIS find the one piece they want.

Just curious.

Stay safe.

If I were running a Rolex AD I would be telling customers if they want what is hot then they need to buy something that is cool or lukewarm as well. After all there will be plenty of customers who have bought other stuff and will continue to buy other stuff from the AD, these are the customers I would want to look after, not a one watch wonder.

Just my humble opinion.

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

If I were running a Rolex AD I would be telling customers if they want what is hot then they need to buy something that is cool or lukewarm as well. After all there will be plenty of customers who have bought other stuff and will continue to buy other stuff from the AD, these are the customers I would want to look after, not a one watch wonder.

Just my humble opinion.

Thank you for the honest response.

[Marcjvr]

I just hope all the AD’s playing the game remember one thing “be nice to the people you meet on the way up, because you will run into those same people again on the way back down”

[teck21]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

I just hope all the AD’s playing the game remember one thing “be nice to the people you meet on the way up, because you will run into those same people again on the way back down”

That’s the thing. There’s nothing wrong with that at all.

I too would take offence at having been rudely treated by anyone for no reason, or simply because they feel the need to get snooty.

This is not necessarily to be confused with simply being told the purchase of some other item is required in order to get a sub/gmt/whatever, as long as it is done tactfully, and politely.

It is however very emotionally comforting to keep on conflating the two if one is unwilling, or unable to pay market price.


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[Tanalasta]

AD's seem to have their own "method to the madness" when it comes to allocating timepieces to customers.

I've had more than one AD mention "buying X will place you higher on the list for watch Y"

However, from talking to the AD that is not the only criteria.

[V25V]

Im sorry but a sub is just not worth a bundle..... at all. I do not personally think anything is worth a bundle but understand sometimes it could make sense if looking for a gift, etc.

[amanbra]

I’d actually prefer my ad bundled and was transparent about what stock they have.


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[Posh Gentleman]

wow, sorry to hear this. I think this is a disgrace.

a black Sub is dime a dozen. you can pick up a Sub with a small grey premium, from trusted sellers, easily. I think a Sub sells for $1-2k premium in grey, which isn't too crazy.

I would skip the B.S. game that AD's are playing with you, and just purchase from trusted sellers.

I I were in your situation though, I would actually skip the Sub entirely, and add a few more grand to your budget to acquire a GMT pepsi or GMT batman. Much more unique pieces that are worth the premium over the regular black Sub, IMO.

[DCheeta]

The more I hear about this stuff the more I appreciate my AD, who has always been honest and has not engaged in such practices.

[007timer]

I was excited to read the title, then all that went away when I read the terms of the deal. Why buy a watch you dont want for MORE money than the watch you do want?

[Fleetlord]

This bundling deal is only really unpalatable to the WIS.

The next general public customer offered this "deal" would have bought it in a heartbeat because they don't see the TT DJ as undesirable at all..

AD will continue this practice because it usually works out just fine...

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

This bundling deal is only really unpalatable to the WIS.

The next general public customer offered this "deal" would have bought it in a heartbeat because they don't see the TT DJ as undesirable at all..

I suspect you are correct Fleet.

Stay safe my friend.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

This bundling deal is only really unpalatable to the WIS.

The next general public customer offered this "deal" would have bought it in a heartbeat because they don't see the TT DJ as undesirable at all..

AD will continue this practice because it usually works out just fine...

I can see this happening in some cases - for non-WIS folks with money to burn...

However, for most non-WIS, would the thought of buying two Rolex watches at once really be palatable? I would think they naively assume they can buy a popular sports watch as a walk-in...and not take kindly to this “bundling” BS.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Speed

I can see this happening in some cases - for non-WIS folks with money to burn...

However, for most non-WIS, would the thought of buying two Rolex watches at once really be palatable? I would think they naively assume they can buy a popular sports watch as a walk-in...and not take kindly to this “bundling” BS.

I could see it going something like this to the Non-WIS.

A dude stumbles into the AD and is looking for Rolex. He comes across a wonderful TT DJ and says this really suits me. Upon chatting with the SA, he mentions that his uncle has the black Rolex with the twisty ring on top...and he kinda likes that. The SA tells him that watch is quite rare and is not commonly available to customers without a prior Rolex history, due to how rare it is. But , in this case, they could offer to sell him the Sub in conjunction with this specific DJ...a different TT...but still a very nice Rolex. The dude has the cash and can get the rare Sub and the classy TT DJ @ the same time! Deal. Sold.

So, that’s how it goes down most of the time. The deal might switch up depending on what the AD needs to move on from, but it’s still a Rolex and to 99% of people, that is absolutely awesome.

Now, offer that deal to A WIS and WIS rage quickly wells up and the rest of the sordid details (they wanted me to buy a crappy $%$#$ too when all I wanted was a SS Daytona) are usually reported the the members of TRF in a posting about the nefarious encounter.

[brandrea]

You should change the title of your post to: “Was offered a bundle by my AD”

[D O C]

Not a bad deal originally though. If you got the Sub date and the DJ for $14K. You could have probably flipped the Sub date pretty fast for $14K easily I'd think. You'd have made your money back to go pick up the 124060 at retail now. And you got a free DJ out of it all.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Posh Gentleman

a black Sub is dime a dozen. you can pick up a Sub with a small grey premium, from trusted sellers, easily. I think a Sub sells for $1-2k premium in grey, which isn't too crazy.

I I were in your situation though, I would actually skip the Sub entirely, and add a few more grand to your budget to acquire a GMT pepsi or GMT batman. Much more unique pieces that are worth the premium over the regular black Sub, IMO.

You mean like the one below ;) I would like to add a Sub to the collection, no date to distinguish from the BLNR. Agree that the 40mm Sub premiums are small enough to not make it worth much hassle, unless one is really set on getting the new model. One presumes that the $10k+ premium people are asking for on chrono24 is not going to hold long (if indeed anyone pays that).

[StuartG]

Originally Posted by FTX I

True. They won't because they do the same thing with ADs. My AD showed me various undesirable models they had to buy last year to be able to have some steel sports models at his store.

You make a good point. The ADs are following their supplier's business model.

[GONZO2LR]

Originally Posted by SparklesMcgraw

The bundling thing is a disgrace that Rolex should stop somehow. It’s just bad taste. If the watch is in stock and you want it (especially if they have shown it to you) there should be no reason you can’t walk out with it

It's not Rolex, it's the greedy AD's...…….sad....they should lose their Rolex status....for doing that to people...greedy *&^%$#~!!!

[phillycheez]

Yeah I don't get the argument that just because an AD is "independent" from Rolex that they should have free reign to do whatever they want.

Rolex is aware that ADs is the connection between the public and Rolex. Rolex is also aware that ADs depend on Rolex to pay their bills. If you financially depend on selling Rolex than yes, Rolex should have a say in how you do Rolex business.

Just do away with ADs. There is no point in buying from them anymore. No stock, and if there is stock you can't buy it anyway unless you drop an additional $14k minimum.

Sell direct to consumer and kill the middle man

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by StuartG

You make a good point. The ADs are following their supplier's business model.

The abused becomes the abuser.

[GONZO2LR]

If they did something like that to me....

i would of said, WTF are you talking about!!! are you out of your F ing mind...kiss my....

then get asked to leave and never come back...of course i would be cursing them out all the way out...

out of body experience! this would be the cause......

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Now, offer that deal to A WIS and WIS rage quickly wells up and the rest of the sordid details (they wanted me to buy a crappy $%$#$ too when all I wanted was a SS Daytona) are usually reported the the members of TRF in a posting about the nefarious encounter.

I can ensure you there was no rage involved, just mild bemusement at the state of affairs. I thought it was somewhat interesting to have the SA lay out the deal as clearly as they did, rather than the more common code-speak.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I could see it going something like this to the Non-WIS.

A dude stumbles into the AD and is looking for Rolex. He comes across a wonderful TT DJ and says this really suits me. Upon chatting with the SA, he mentions that his uncle has the black Rolex with the twisty ring on top...and he kinda likes that. The SA tells him that watch is quite rare and is not commonly available to customers without a prior Rolex history, due to how rare it is. But , in this case, they could offer to sell him the Sub in conjunction with this specific DJ...a different TT...but still a very nice Rolex. The dude has the cash and can get the rare Sub and the classy TT DJ @ the same time! Deal. Sold.

So, that’s how it goes down most of the time. The deal might switch up depending on what the AD needs to move on from, but it’s still a Rolex and to 99% of people, that is absolutely awesome.

Now, offer that deal to A WIS and WIS rage quickly wells up and the rest of the sordid details (they wanted me to buy a crappy $%$#$ too when all I wanted was a SS Daytona) are usually reported the the members of TRF in a posting about the nefarious encounter.

I guess I’m having trouble seeing the scenario you describe...but sounds like you have known of instances like this.

I would think the sales guy facing a sure fire TT Lady DJ sale would rather leverage the sale of a “watch with the twisty thing on top” to a Whale, or other client who knows how “rare” it is

Love your non-WIS description of a Sub though!!

[Danny83]

You should have put the msrp plus tax on counter and ran out the store with the watch

[btrizzy]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Whats the more honourable choice ? ...

Bundling at an AD or premium at a Grey ?

Maybe the Grey option ,you pay market price for what you do want, compared to buying B,which you dont want, to get A that you do want ..

The choice is neither and not play these stupid games. It's a luxury good, you do NOT need it right here, right now. Wait it out or move on to another brand. I sure have.

[wadajr]

Originally Posted by cajunron

If Rolex has to bundle unpopular watches with popular models to move them, why don't they just make more of the watches that people want?

Seriously. The date just is a few tweaks away from being a genuinely desirable watch in an of itself. I think part of what's driving the SS sport model hype is how underwhelming datejusts have been recently