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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Some of the best years in F1 for me......Hakkinen, Irvine, Coulthard, Villeneuve, Fisichella, Hill, Frentzen, Alesi, Trulli, Salo etc .....the list goes on. 1990's and early 2000's. Some great battles.

Yup

Originally Posted by huncho

i think the 90s was the golden age. late 80s/early 90s just had insane talent. i think that's also when the cars peaked in terms of looks and sound

Yup

Too many darn driver's aids nowadays imho. Fly by wire systems and all that.

[77T]

Originally Posted by dba

Lewis didn't have to win. All he needed was engine from Mercedes that didn't explode.

Yes mathematically correct - but there was more to it than that.

F1 website summarized it well:
Rosberg applied all his attention to detail toward achieving his championship goal in 2016 - the longest ever Formula One season.

He began the 21-race endurance contest with four successive victories. In the fifth event, in Spain, the two title rivals collided on the first lap and went no further.

Thereafter they traded race wins (ultimately 10 to 9 for Hamilton), were penalised for rule infractions (four for Rosberg) and suffered mechanical misfortune (five for Hamilton).

While Rosberg led the standings for most of the season, Hamilton’s victories in the final four races reduced Rosberg’s lead to just five points at the finish in Abu Dhabi.

I don’t mind the nostalgic bench racing: there’s a saying from the old football player Don Meredith who once said, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas."

But did you know why his engines failed?
Too much hard driving on curbs transmitting forces onto the big end bearings through the transmission and a too aggressive lubricant profile by engineers to amp power curve.

Both driver and team contributed to those failures.

IMHO, Nico earned it that year - I can accept that. I am a bit biased - watched him grow from the ADAC F-BMW series.

Another admitted bias: I’ve been in points chases and sometimes bad luck is part of the deal. Never at their level, but I still recall a pass for the points lead one year (that I thought was brilliant). Later I met the other driver and he had a shock failure during that race and it hurt his turn-in on right hander’s.


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[Dr.Brian]

I’m just glad that there’s some real racing going on and some uncertainty in the podium not related to rain or disaster. Mercedes miscalculated it’s spending and it’s great for the championship. The cost cap and token system is already paying off.
I love the radio from Lewis baffled by the time differences, etc. I also love McLaren Mercedes is up there with the works team.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Yup



Yup

Too many darn driver's aids nowadays imho. Fly by wire systems and all that.

Some of the best years in F1 for me......Hakkinen, Irvine, Coulthard, Villeneuve, Fisichella, Hill, Frentzen, Alesi, Trulli, Salo etc .....the list goes on. 1990's and early 2000's. Some great battles.
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Ah...the good 'ol days back then..

[huncho]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Yup



Yup

Too many darn driver's aids nowadays imho. Fly by wire systems and all that.

yeah looking back and watching senna drive 1 handed at monaco just makes those times feel completely insane. i have no doubt that the top drivers today don't need all the aids but that's just the way of the game when it comes to technology

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by dba

Scratch the race in Spain where Nico took them both out while dicking around with the buttons on his steering wheel, Lewis wins the championship save for the DNF in Malaysia. Records show Rosberg was 2016 champion, but he didn't beat Lewis.

And if Timo Glock doesn't park the Toyota F1 on the last corner of the last lap At Interlagos, Massa wins the WDC in 2008 and Lewis doesn't///. That's racing.

Originally Posted by dba

Lewis didn't have to win. All he needed was engine from Mercedes that didn't explode.

And if Michael Schumacher's Ferrari engine doesn't explode at Suzuka in 2006 he's an 8 time WDC and Alonso is only a 1 time WDC. That's racing and always has been.

Originally Posted by 77T

Yes mathematically correct - but there was more to it than that.

F1 website summarized it well:
Rosberg applied all his attention to detail toward achieving his championship goal in 2016 - the longest ever Formula One season.

He began the 21-race endurance contest with four successive victories. In the fifth event, in Spain, the two title rivals collided on the first lap and went no further.

Thereafter they traded race wins (ultimately 10 to 9 for Hamilton), were penalised for rule infractions (four for Rosberg) and suffered mechanical misfortune (five for Hamilton).

While Rosberg led the standings for most of the season, Hamilton’s victories in the final four races reduced Rosberg’s lead to just five points at the finish in Abu Dhabi.

I don’t mind the nostalgic bench racing: there’s a saying from the old football player Don Meredith who once said, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas."

But did you know why his engines failed?
Too much hard driving on curbs transmitting forces onto the big end bearings through the transmission and a too aggressive lubricant profile by engineers to amp power curve.

Both driver and team contributed to those failures.

IMHO, Nico earned it that year - I can accept that. I am a bit biased - watched him grow from the ADAC F-BMW series.

Another admitted bias: I’ve been in points chases and sometimes bad luck is part of the deal. Never at their level, but I still recall a pass for the points lead one year (that I thought was brilliant). Later I met the other driver and he had a shock failure during that race and it hurt his turn-in on right hander’s.


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Excellent post. If you win a championship in a 21 race season it's not luck. If anyone listens to podcasts subscribe to "Beyond the Grid". Nico was interviewed a couple years ago and the episode should still be there. He talked about how dedicated he was to the 2016 season in terms of training, diet and the little details. Just a couple examples, he had driving gloves reversed stitched to get a better feel on the steering wheel. Nico won the next 2 races and Lewis then switched to the same gloves.

Another example was that Nico had to lose some weight from his lower body so he cut out cycling and dropped a kilo of weight from his calf muscles to try and get an edge with regard to ballast weight in the car. I highly recommend these podcasts to anyone who is a fan of the sport.

[Speedbird-1]

Will Lewis' F1 wins record, ever be beaten?

[OmegaJJH]

Not a great start for poor Lando.

https://twitter.com/mclarenf1/status...924612096?s=24

Lando Norris had his RM stolen at Wembley at the cup final last night.


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[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Not a great start for poor Lando.

https://twitter.com/mclarenf1/status...924612096?s=24

Lando Norris had his RM stolen at Wembley at the cup final last night.


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[Kigan]

Retail RM 67-02 40k£?)

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by Kigan

Retail RM 67-02 40k£?)

That is what we call lazy journalism


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[Kigan]

Exactly)

The stadium management must be sued for the mess with the safety of visitors.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Will Lewis' F1 wins record, ever be beaten?

Not in my lifetime, or probably others too....but then again, I'm a senior citizen...!

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by jatco

Not in my lifetime, or probably others too....but then again, I'm a senior citizen...!

Since I'm not as old, I expect Max to break some if not all of Lewis's records in my lifetime.

[BobMartian]

I don't even expect Max to out score Lewis this season

[jatco]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Since I'm not as old, I expect Max to break some if not all of Lewis's records in my lifetime.

I have my doubts on that. He's nowhere on track to that and neither is Red Bull.
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https://www.racing-statistics.com/en...tappen/careers

[sillo]

What's everyone's opinions on the sprint race and the resulting weekend schedule changes? I'm still no the fence. I wouldn't have minded if they scrapped the idea all together, but it could be interesting.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Since I'm not as old, I expect Max to break some if not all of Lewis's records in my lifetime.

Yup. Heard the same when Schuey earned his. No one would beat his records for....

[jatco]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Yup. Heard the same when Schuey earned his. No one would beat his records for....

...however long it took. And in this case, it took Hamilton less time. Different world then and now..and with future changes. Who knows..

[77T]

Originally Posted by sillo

What's everyone's opinions on the sprint race and the resulting weekend schedule changes? I'm still no the fence. I wouldn't have minded if they scrapped the idea all together, but it could be interesting.

Well I expect more incidents than a normal weekend on the old schedule. They’ve added a Steward into the room in anticipation.

HAM has tipped his hand in an interview - likely parade laps.

My own take is it can be a mixed bag and he may have a point. In Q1, 2, 3, less chance for a car2car incident. Mostly single car incidents. But racing Saturday opens the door to damage that could ruin your Sunday race. Or cause loss of grid spots due to parts needing replacement.


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[texasmade]

Originally Posted by jatco

I have my doubts on that. He's nowhere on track to that and neither is Red Bull.
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https://www.racing-statistics.com/en...tappen/careers

He's only 23 and could probably race until his late 30's like Lewis. All he needs is to get his timing right on a team that can go on a run like Lewis with Mercedes, Schumacher with Ferrari, or even Seb with RB. I say this as a Lewis fanboy and hope to see Lewis set all of the records before he drives off into retirement.

[jatco]

It all sounds rather hectic imo. But certainly agree with below Paulg \/

[SDGT3]

Max is the youngest driver with a race win and fastest to 50 podiums (crazy he already has 50). That being said, it really depends on this new formula that starts in 2022. If Red Bull can have the kind of dominance Mercedes had in the hybrid era coupled with more and more races squeezed into a season, it could very well happen.

With regard to the sprint races, I'm keeping an open mind and like the fact they are giving it 3 opportunities at 3 different venues this year to tweek it a bit if the first attempt isn't what was intended. With points only awarded to the first 3 finishers on Saturday's sprint race, but sets the grid for Sunday's full race, I expect it to be kind of like a karting sprint race with a lot of jockeying, bumps and bruises with everyone trying to get a high as possible in a short amount of time.

[huncho]

i never thought we'd see anyone equal schumacher's 7x yet here we are. i really do think lewis will get 1 more before he retires and i expect 8x to be untouchable. too many things have to go right to beat all the records lewis is holding right now. vettel was 23 when he won his first and proceeded to win 3 more back to back and look at him now. he's nowhere near the driver max is but just goes to show even with a huge head start how fast things can go bad. realistically lewis probably has 2-3 more good years left in him so max isn't even guaranteed to win 1 in that time

lewis did start winning late in his career though so theoretically max can be on track to break records just by doing the math, but if you look at lewis' stats he's gotten podium something like 62% of races which is the most of any of the greats and won 35% of the races he was in. for reference, schumacher had 50% podiums and 29% wins, but if you take out his last 3 years where he didn't win a race and had no podiums those 2 stats become equal to lewis, but lewis is still going so it'll be interesting to see how he ends. just insane that he managed to break so many records and got that many podiums/wins in that amount of races considering he only started being dominant around 30, also not to mention the 100 poles lol. more races per season will benefit max but i find it better to look at the % versus the number of wins/podiums/etc when it comes to showing dominance

[Sleepy996]

Looking forward to seeing what kind of strategies play out for the sprint weekend. Its going to be fun for the fans but miserable for the teams and drivers.

[FLGatorM5]

I’m not well versed on the car changes for next year but this was a quick read.

Looks like the main goal was to reduce the reduction in downforce in the wake of another car…leading to closer racing.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...oGrbqp6ye.html

[enjoythemusic]

Here we go, the first-ever sprint race. Looking forward to it!

[sillo]

That was extremely meh.

[77T]

I saw some good points to it.

The grid for Sunday now reflects a broader spectrum of racecraft - not solely one fastest lap.

The points gained today could make a difference in Drivers Championship.

Each team now knows how their setup will perform in race mode vs. their competition (parc ferme)

Some tradeoffs- this isn’t really a race it’s a sprint qualifier. But it gives some room to improve if you got Qually all wrong - like ALO moving up several positions. (How about his opening lap? ) But also punishes mistakes harshly - see PER off track excursion’s outcome.

It was over too soon. Woulda liked 20 laps.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by sillo

That was extremely meh.

Agree if you went into the session expecting fireworks. It was carefully managed by many teams.

But if you watched ALO in-car - it had some inspiring moments.

VET getting pole was a nice twist straight down the 17 laps.


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