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[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by dan993

For me that's correct. Leclerc left the space needed because Hamilton was there. Max's biggest failing is he drives too aggressively and these things can happen when you do.

Bear in mind the stewards look at all the evidence and a penalty was given to Hamilton, end of!

[jatco]

Now that I've read all this I can't wait to watch the race at some point.. even knowing the outcome...

[77T]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

This situation perfectly explains the rational when determining a “racing incident” because it’s very difficult to Monday night quarterback this. They were going what 160-180 in that turn?? Those three steering wheel inputs Max gave probably happened within a hundredth of a second or less.

Lewis usually gives Max lots of room, he’s said this during interviews. During that lap he gave up ground to Max in previous corners, if he were to let himself be bullied at every corner then he’ll never beat Max again.

I posted before the race how Max has become more focused and less reckless, this first lap was old Max to me, and old Max usually produced this similar result.

I’m not saying Lewis was right not that Max was necessarily wrong, but LeClerc went into the same situation and didn’t end up having a 51g crash as a result, he got second place and no hospital visits.

That quote about no longer going for a gap that exists, applies perfectly here, for both drivers, I think both saw a gap…. Hence why I get the racing incident. HAAS’ team principal emphatically agreed, they’re racing, it’s what we want them to do right.

The two passes were in different contexts. But I agree the situations start with whether it could be a racing incident. Keep your eye on the upcoming investigation of PER & RAI in T17.

But on G/F lap we must allow for close racing creating unavoidable contact. In my book there are no “racing incidents” - there is avoidable contact and unavoidable contact. In general “Don’t hit what you can see.” On race starts, oftentimes you can’t see everyone around you. So unavoidable contact happens. But the T9 incident was a bit different methinks.

VER covered HAM appropriately on the prior corners so HAM did what I’d expect. Especially as we are on G/F lap. VER covered again in T9, and was ahead - he has no way to see how HAM responded to the steering twitch he performed. HAM had responsibility govern where he was, how much room he had to the right, and the marginal percentage of success.

Later in the race…

PER knew well and good HAM was coming in the final laps. In T9 he could see in his mirror that the inside pass was coming. HAM actually took a closer line to the apex and still tracked out to the outside kerb. PER did as he should.

But that’s just my


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[Deepseadoug]

Ham Bam Bigelow the track bully at it again. I dislike him but he puts up numbers.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

This situation perfectly explains the rational when determining a “racing incident” because it’s very difficult to Monday night quarterback this. They were going what 160-180 in that turn?? Those three steering wheel inputs Max gave probably happened within a hundredth of a second or less.

Lewis usually gives Max lots of room, he’s said this during interviews. During that lap he gave up ground to Max in previous corners, if he were to let himself be bullied at every corner then he’ll never beat Max again.

I posted before the race how Max has become more focused and less reckless, this first lap was old Max to me, and old Max usually produced this similar result.

I’m not saying Lewis was right not that Max was necessarily wrong, but LeClerc went into the same situation and didn’t end up having a 51g crash as a result, he got second place and no hospital visits.

That quote about no longer going for a gap that exists, applies perfectly here, for both drivers, I think both saw a gap…. Hence why I get the racing incident. HAAS’ team principal emphatically agreed, they’re racing, it’s what we want them to do right.

Yep pretty much. All of the other drivers give Max room because they know he drives aggressively. In the past Lewis always backed out knowing he didn’t need to fight Max because he had a huge lead in the standings or a better car. Now that RB is leading with a better car, Lewis needed to stop backing down. Today was the result of neither driver giving an inch.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Yep pretty much. All of the other drivers give Max room because they know he drives aggressively. In the past Lewis always backed out knowing he didn’t need to fight Max because he had a huge lead in the standings or a better car. Now that RB is leading with a better car, Lewis needed to stop backing down. Today was the result of neither driver giving an inch.

Max had available track on his left.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Max had available track on his left.

And Lewis had available track on his right.

[77T]

Originally Posted by 77T

The two passes were in different contexts. But I agree the situations start with whether it could be a racing incident. Keep your eye on the upcoming investigation of PER & RAI in T17.

Update - when drivers can agree…




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[SDGT3]

First, I'm happy to see there was not a death or serious injury today as going into a corner at 180 MPH and having a 51G impact is quite serious. Lewis Hamilton has been called many things, but "a dirty racer" was never one of them....... until today. He could find the apex when he passed LeClerc at Copse, but couldn't find it when racing the championship leader at Copse. The decision provided by the race stewards was accurate, but the punishment didn't fit the crime as 10 seconds is virtually meaningless when compared to the fact that a red flag session allows the culprit to fix damage with no consequences to his actions. Given the other penalties assessed this season, 10 seconds is extremely lenient.

On a different note, what is going on with Ferrari? I mistakenly thought LeClerc had the win in hand when leading by 13-14 seconds. Did he have engine cut out again toward the end of the race? Is the Merc that much faster than the Ferrari on older tires?

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by sillo

And Lewis had available track on his right.

So a 'race incident'... or both drivers at fault so Max needs to serve a 10 second penalty in the next race.

Case closed

[sillo]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

So a 'race incident'... or both drivers at fault so Max needs to serve a 10 second penalty in the next race.

Case closed

Well one was ahead the entire run into the corner and the other was taking a line that would’ve missed the apex.

[huncho]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRei1n8Fhko

i find this weird to read considering how many dangerous moves max tends to try to pull...should have kept quiet til he cooled off tomorrow

netflix rubbing their hands at all this drama content for the upcoming season of drive to survive though

[dan993]

I'm afraid Max doesn't like a taste of his own medicine. My dad always taught me you reap what you sow.

[1st amg]

I feel that was not enough of a penalty. Should have at least been a stop and go in the pit. That was reckless at 290km and he in no way had his nose ahead of VER.


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[Speedbird-1]

We all want to see real 'racing' don't we?
That was real racing, two drivers wheel to wheel on the limit, brilliant stuff!
It's motor racing...not tiddlywinks.

Accusing Lewis of bullying Max?
Not sure Max would be happy to agree, that he was. 'bullied by a bigger boy'.

How quickly are forgotten the 'forceful tactics' of past heroes such as Senna, Schumacher, Alan Jones, Lauda et al.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by sillo

Well one was ahead the entire run into the corner and the other was taking a line that would’ve missed the apex.

That's what that pic seems to indicate..and from other clips. I haven't seen the race yet (recorded) but it appears that Ham was trying to make something happen with slim chances/risky move...especially there...Just my opinion.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

How quickly are forgotten the 'forceful tactics' of past heroes such as Senna, Schumacher, Alan Jones, Lauda et al.

Agreed, but the New Nanny State is going to drive it to virtual racing if this keeps up. Or, at best, remote-controlled electric vehicles via VR glasses.

It's racing. Things happen. If he can't handle it, Max can feel free to retire. He could join Montoya, who has an excellent career in racing. Great guy too

I weep for the remnants of the future of F1 if they don't let actual humans race one another. Personally, they need to cut back on the driver aids.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

So a 'race incident'... or both drivers at fault so Max needs to serve a 10 second penalty in the next race.

Case closed

This right here. I don’t even like LH and that was BS penalty. Let them race for heavens sake.

[77T]

Originally Posted by jatco

That's what that pic seems to indicate..and from other clips. I haven't seen the race yet (recorded) but it appears that Ham was trying to make something happen with slim chances/risky move...especially there...Just my opinion.

When you see the replays your opinion will be confirmed as accurate.


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[daveathall]

Verstappen got Verstappened to be honest. Hamilton never lifted, if the roles were reversed, (Verstappen on the inside) he would have forced Hamilton off by not lifting. If he doesn't like drivers driving like him, he should stay clear of them. Neither of them are Angels, let them race.

This was written 5 years ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37210411

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Verstappen got Verstappened to be honest. Hamilton never lifted, if the roles were reversed, (Verstappen on the inside) he would have forced Hamilton off by not lifting. If he doesn't like drivers driving like him, he should stay clear of them. Neither of them are Angels, let them race.



This was written 5 years ago.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37210411

Exactly, perfect quote too

Independent who did what, it was tough to see somebody getting decelerated with 51 g!
With his 67 kg this corresponds to a force of about 3,4 tons onto Verstappen's body.

[AshAP]

Max doesn’t respect other drivers and has caused several crashes earlier in his career due to his aggressive style. Horner says he’s matured as a racer but today he raced with his same aggressive style and came off badly.


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[1st amg]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

We all want to see real 'racing' don't we?
That was real racing, two drivers wheel to wheel on the limit, brilliant stuff!
It's motor racing...not tiddlywinks.

Accusing Lewis of bullying Max?
Not sure Max would be happy to agree, that he was. 'bullied by a bigger boy'.

How quickly are forgotten the 'forceful tactics' of past heroes such as Senna, Schumacher, Alan Jones, Lauda et al.

Nope never ever forgotten any and all of the racing greats.....did I approve of Senna and the Prost tactics or Senna and Mansel? I do not approve and never approved.

[BobMartian]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Verstappen got Verstappened

Hamilton was a 7 time winner of Silverstone (now 8). Verstappen won't forget that

[ZOOK]

Wow, that was an actual exciting 1/2 lap. Two drivers trying to decide the race out on the track instead of sprinting to the first corner, turning on cruise control and having the guys in the high chairs tell them how to win the race.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by ZOOK

Two drivers trying to decide the race out on the track....

Exactly!

[SDGT3]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtDPQQQWP_M

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by jatco

That's what that pic seems to indicate..and from other clips. I haven't seen the race yet (recorded) but it appears that Ham was trying to make something happen with slim chances/risky move...especially there...Just my opinion.

The bottom line is that Hamilton didn't want to go for the Apex because he wanted 1 of 2 outcomes:

1. push Max out wide and off the track

2. contact with Max who had a 33 pt. advantage.

Both would work out better for Hamilton as long as he was able to keep going in the race.

With regard to what some have commented about LeClerc giving a wide berth is erroneous because toward the end of race the track surface is not in the same condition as the beginning of the race. Leclerc was in the marbles and Hamilton on the much more rubbered in racing line. Leclerc simply lost grip out in the gray matter.

[FTX I]

Tremendous race today

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtDPQQQWP_M

Ouch. You knew it was nasty when they didn’t show it, or broadcast the team radio.
At least he has 11 days to recover before the next round.


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