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[daveathall]

I think that if I had put my car on top of another car, the first thing I would have done when I got out would be to see if the person in the other car was alright. He never gave Hamilton a second glance, he just walked away.

[BobMartian]

Verstappen admitted fault with his statement "That's what he gets for not giving me enough room."

[77T]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Curious the justification.

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[77T]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I think that if I had put my car on top of another car, the first thing I would have done when I got out would be to see if the person in the other car was alright. He never gave Hamilton a second glance, he just walked away.

As VET did at Eau Rouge by slowing down to check on NOR ( even though he wasn’t involved in the incident )

https://fb.watch/7_37wb6BZq/

VER is a long way from being a leader in the driver community.


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[Dr.Brian]

This is the old hothead max resurfacing. I said it would get worse, and it has, and will again. Maybe he should be “The Torpedo”? The Belgian Bomber? I like that one!
Cheers to Danny Ric! He needed that, and so did McLaren.


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[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

This is the old hothead max resurfacing. I said it would get worse, and it has, and will again. Maybe he should be “The Torpedo”? The Belgian Bomber? I like that one!
Cheers to Danny Ric! He needed that, and so did McLaren.


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Exactly. He was pissed about HIS team fing up the pit stop so the zebra showed his stripes and caused ANOTHER accident. This one could have killed Ham is not for the halo. Then the complete disregard for the sport to walk off and not even care if he is ok really shows EXACTLY what a horrible human being he is.

He is lucky that was all the penalty. He is reckless and TIME AND TIME again it shows he has no business racing at this level.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Exactly. He was pissed about HIS team fing up the pit stop so the zebra showed his stripes and caused ANOTHER accident. This one could have killed Ham is not for the halo. Then the complete disregard for the sport to walk off and not even care if he is ok really shows EXACTLY what a horrible human being he is.

He is lucky that was all the penalty. He is reckless and TIME AND TIME again it shows he has no business racing at this level.

+ 1, he’s a disgrace to the sport IMO


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[BobMartian]

Verstappen should talk to a mental health professional. He might need bipolar medication.

[walds11]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Wow. Rewatched it a few times and really thought it was racing incident. Will look it up. Curious the justification.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...086WzbvWI.html

[denmanproject]

Happy for Danny Ricc and McLaren

[SDGT3]

Congratulations to the smiling assassin Danny Ricciardo! Masterful drive and he still had pace in hand as he put in the fastest lap of the race at the very end. Seeing RIC, NOR and Zak Brown drink from the Shoey was classic!! Happy that the Macs are definitely on the way up and can challenge in 2022.

That new spec Mercedes engine is a rocket! My goodness that thing is fast in Bottas' hands and will be even more potent when Hamilton gets his hands on it.

Speaking of Hamilton, glad he is okay, but this was a racing incident that happened on the slowest corner of the circuit and were it not for the sausage curb, the RB doesn't pop up, lose contact patch and the rear wheels of the 2 cars don't meet and cause it to look worse than it really was hence, racing incident. How the FIA can deal a 3 grid spot penalty is preposterous and may influence the decision of RBR to take a new engine penalty in Sochi.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Then the complete disregard for the sport to walk off and not even care if he is ok really shows EXACTLY what a horrible human being he is.

Really??? Perhaps you didn't see that Hamilton threw his car into reverse and tried to back his car out of the gravel? Of course he was okay. The Hamilton fans must have forgot how Lewis celebrated on podium after putting VER in the hospital at Silverstone. Very hypocritical of all Max detractors today.

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Really??? Perhaps you didn't see that Hamilton threw his car into reverse and tried to back his car out of the gravel? Of course he was okay. The Hamilton fans must have forgot how Lewis celebrated on podium after putting VER in the hospital at Silverstone. Very hypocritical of all Max detractors today.

Not a Hamilton fan by any means. Though not sure why people always deflect responsibility based on someone else’s prior act. Okay, Hamilton shouldn’t have celebrated in silverstone (not sure I agree, but for sake of argument, Ham was wrong). That has nothing to do with this week. Ver did NOT care if Ham was okay or not… Just marched away frustrated, which is understandable. Regardless, check on a fellow racer, make sure he is okay, and get on with it. Minimum level of sportsmanship and class. Two things I value, though I get not everyone does.

[SDGT3]

The point was was Hamilton fine as he immediately tried to get back into battle by putting his car into reverse and spitting up gravel to no avail. Did no one else see that? Serious question as the position taken by some that VER didn't check on him doesn't hold water.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The point was was Hamilton fine as he immediately tried to get back into battle by putting his car into reverse and spitting up gravel to no avail. Did no one else see that? Serious question as the position taken by some that VER didn't check on him doesn't hold water.

Yes he tried to back out but if you see the slow motion video, he did so before the tire was actually running over his helmet. You could see him actually trying to duck down in the car and “after” the wheel went over, yes he’s still trying to get out….that somehow makes it ok, that he’s alive trying to get back in….You’re literally only able to make this completely disregardful comment because of a safety system(halo) is on the car now. The problem isn’t even so much the sausage curb as is the driver who went barreling in where there isn’t room and where he’s behind. Only thing Lewis could have done to avoid this collision is run wide off track to let Max the angry bomber through. The purpose of F1 one isn’t to see which driver is the angriest and dangerous so you can let him by.
Max already blew that corner previously when racing Riccardo and then hot headed dangerous Crashstappen just dive bombed his car into Hamilton because if he can’t win than nobody can. Kimi said many years ago that he is dangerous and will kill somebody one day, Max just got closer today. I suppose that someone like you on his keyboard knows more or has a better opinion than another F1 champion who’s actually raced Max, if you’re an F1 racer, than please inform me and I’ll stand corrected but mostly every other driver has had a run in with Max, I remember when he shoved Ocon over an incident. Max is a hot head, he’s reckless and not mature or responsible enough to race at this competitive and also potentially dangerous level of open wheel cars.

Bottom line subjectively fault lies in whomever you’re not a fan of, but objectively the professionals once again made a judgement that seems appropriate. Personally I don’t understand how anyone can say this was caused by Lewis…..leave him room? where, off the racing line, go wide and then say he cheated by gaining advantage off track? Or just concede and give up his forward position because, hey the guy behind you is more dangerous and has anger issues, so let the bully pass you, that’s not what F1 should be about.

The Silverstone crash was completely different, both cars weren’t stopped together, I was absolutely shocked the way Max walked off with a passing glance at Lewis not caring if he was even ok. I was thinking he changed at the beginning of the season but now I will never be a Verstappen fan and believes he has zero business racing in F1 or competing at this level.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yes he tried to back out but if you see the slow motion video, he did so before the tire was actually running over his helmet. You could see him actually trying to duck down in the car and “after” the wheel went over, yes he’s still trying to get out….that somehow makes it ok, that he’s alive trying to get back in….You’re literally only able to make this completely disregardful comment because of a safety system(halo) is on the car now. The problem isn’t even so much the sausage curb as is the driver who went barreling in where there isn’t room and where he’s behind. Only thing Lewis could have done to avoid this collision is run wide off track to let Max the angry bomber through. The purpose of F1 one isn’t to see which driver is the angriest and dangerous so you can let him by.
Max already blew that corner previously when racing Riccardo and then hot headed dangerous Crashstappen just dive bombed his car into Hamilton because if he can’t win than nobody can. Kimi said many years ago that he is dangerous and will kill somebody one day, Max just got closer today. I suppose that someone like you on his keyboard knows more or has a better opinion than another F1 champion who’s actually raced Max, if you’re an F1 racer, than please inform me and I’ll stand corrected but mostly every other driver has had a run in with Max, I remember when he shoved Ocon over an incident. Max is a hot head, he’s reckless and not mature or responsible enough to race at this competitive and also potentially dangerous level of open wheel cars.

Bottom line subjectively fault lies in whomever you’re not a fan of, but objectively the professionals once again made a judgement that seems appropriate. Personally I don’t understand how anyone can say this was caused by Lewis…..leave him room? where, off the racing line, go wide and then say he cheated by gaining advantage off track? Or just concede and give up his forward position because, hey the guy behind you is more dangerous and has anger issues, so let the bully pass you, that’s not what F1 should be about.

The Silverstone crash was completely different, both cars weren’t stopped together, I was absolutely shocked the way Max walked off with a passing glance at Lewis not caring if he was even ok. I was thinking he changed at the beginning of the season but now I will never be a Verstappen fan and believes he has zero business racing in F1 or competing at this level.

Compare how they both acted after the race when they each had a chance to calm down! One comes off as gracious while the other comes off as a spoiled kid. I get the heat of the moment and frustration but Max really needs to grow up posting stuff like that.


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[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Compare how they both acted after the race when they each had a chance to calm down! One comes off as gracious while the other comes off as a spoiled kid. I get the heat of the moment and frustration but Max really needs to grow up posting stuff like that.


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Yikes, that’s very telling. Thanks for posting.

[GeoffEff]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yes he tried to back out but if you see the slow motion video, he did so before the tire was actually running over his helmet. You could see him actually trying to duck down in the car and “after” the wheel went over, yes he’s still trying to get out….that somehow makes it ok, that he’s alive trying to get back in….You’re literally only able to make this completely disregardful comment because of a safety system(halo) is on the car now. The problem isn’t even so much the sausage curb as is the driver who went barreling in where there isn’t room and where he’s behind. Only thing Lewis could have done to avoid this collision is run wide off track to let Max the angry bomber through. The purpose of F1 one isn’t to see which driver is the angriest and dangerous so you can let him by.

Max already blew that corner previously when racing Riccardo and then hot headed dangerous Crashstappen just dive bombed his car into Hamilton because if he can’t win than nobody can. Kimi said many years ago that he is dangerous and will kill somebody one day, Max just got closer today. I suppose that someone like you on his keyboard knows more or has a better opinion than another F1 champion who’s actually raced Max, if you’re an F1 racer, than please inform me and I’ll stand corrected but mostly every other driver has had a run in with Max, I remember when he shoved Ocon over an incident. Max is a hot head, he’s reckless and not mature or responsible enough to race at this competitive and also potentially dangerous level of open wheel cars.



Bottom line subjectively fault lies in whomever you’re not a fan of, but objectively the professionals once again made a judgement that seems appropriate. Personally I don’t understand how anyone can say this was caused by Lewis…..leave him room? where, off the racing line, go wide and then say he cheated by gaining advantage off track? Or just concede and give up his forward position because, hey the guy behind you is more dangerous and has anger issues, so let the bully pass you, that’s not what F1 should be about.



The Silverstone crash was completely different, both cars weren’t stopped together, I was absolutely shocked the way Max walked off with a passing glance at Lewis not caring if he was even ok. I was thinking he changed at the beginning of the season but now I will never be a Verstappen fan and believes he has zero business racing in F1 or competing at this level.

Thank you!! Couldn't have said it any better.

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[Malak]

Hamiliton can get away with anything. It's always the others who get punished. What a rat.

[Speedbird-1]

The supreme petulant arrogance of that, 'walking away from a fellow driver', potentially trapped and/or injured in his cockpit.
I suspect he would have sprinted away from the scene, had there been a sudden lick of flame.

No David Purley he, methinks.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by Malak

Hamiliton can get away with anything. It's always the others who get punished. What a rat.

Harsh.

Not a fan of the, 7 times World Champion then?

The sainted 'M.Bootmaker' was always a real gent, wasn't he.

[dandigangi]

WHAT A RACE - Max/Hamilton are going to be out double for blood next race. Wondered who would get penalty and guessed right it was Max. Even those his axel was up where it was, absolutely no way that was happening with Hamilton is the apex. He also crossed the edge in off the track.

2nd - Im sure this has been discussed but first time I saw the 2022 car changes: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...oGrbqp6ye.html

Thought it was really interesting as an engineer that their engineers would create "dirty air" to impact the aero performance of other drivers.

[daveathall]

The driver in front gets the option of where he puts his car on the track, it is not for him to move to allow someone to pass, if there isn't enough room the driver who is following should lift off. There wasn't enough room for Verstappen, he should have lifted, he caused the accident and will cause someone to lose their life. He was lucky this time.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Malak

Hamiliton can get away with anything. It's always the others who get punished. What a rat.

Max, is that you......

Another professional F1 keyboard critic. If you're an F1 professional of any level of responsibility or better another racer, I concede but if you're just another jaded anti Lewis fan, everything pro Max then all I can say is "others are punished"(Max in this case) because the professional F1 administration who are experts on this subject, not random internet people decide who's at fault. If I remember correctly Lewis was punished for his last incident(also caused by Max imo who received no penalties, but who am I to judge), so your post which reads like something 13yr old Max would say is blatant falsehood, Hamilton does not always get away with anything.

Lewis on other occasions was punished for entering the pits at the wrong time, practicing a start in the wrong place.....stop being naive/trolling with such a comment.

Originally Posted by daveathall

The driver in front gets the option of where he puts his car on the track, it is not for him to move to allow someone to pass, if there isn't enough room the driver who is following should lift off. There wasn't enough room for Verstappen, he should have lifted, he caused the accident and will cause someone to lose their life. He was lucky this time.

I concur. If anyone is ever in a car to challenge Ver wheel to wheel they will eventually end in a crash at some point because his modus operandi is to be aggressive and dangerous to the point you're afraid or too cautious to challenge him at an apex because he drives like he has nothing to lose. Ver is synonymous with incidents, while there is a whole line up of guys that aren't. Whenever Ver is approaching a corner wheel to wheel with a driver competing for position, I cringe.

[dandigangi]

Originally Posted by daveathall

The driver in front gets the option of where he puts his car on the track, it is not for him to move to allow someone to pass, if there isn't enough room the driver who is following should lift off. There wasn't enough room for Verstappen, he should have lifted, he caused the accident and will cause someone to lose their life. He was lucky this time.

While I generally agree- they do have the rule technically that if there front axel passes their rear that they are supposed to let them in. I think the amount of room and this type of turn in particular is an excellent example of it not working like that.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by dandigangi

While I generally agree- they do have the rule technically that if there front axel passes their rear that they are supposed to let them in. I think the amount of room and this type of turn in particular is an excellent example of it not working like that.

I don't think it's an issue of it not working. I think it's an issue of how a driver expects to make the pass at a given apex. The front axle condition works very well in sweeping corners often relating to 1 corner. In this example where we have a chicane of two tight turns, the driver that is second really needs to be past before they hit the next apex which is directly following. It's why Lew couldn't ever get by Nor during previous laps and why Nor also stated he could have gone for the win but didn't want to risk a similar Ver/Lew incident....you know common sense.
I think the explanation of the stewards in the penalty award summarize this incident very well.

[dandigangi]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

I don't think it's an issue of it not working. I think it's an issue of how a driver expects to make the pass at a given apex. The front axle condition works very well in sweeping corners often relating to 1 corner. In this example where we have a chicane of two tight turns, the driver that is second really needs to be past before they hit the next apex which is directly following. It's why Lew couldn't ever get by Nor during previous laps and why Nor also stated he could have gone for the win but didn't want to risk a similar Ver/Lew incident....you know common sense.
I think the explanation of the stewards in the penalty award summarize this incident very well.

Yeah. We're saying the same thing. It in this instance while the rule is there it doesn't work out in a turn like this and Hamiltons position hitting it like he did.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by dandigangi

Yeah. We're saying the same thing. It in this instance while the rule is there it doesn't work out in a turn like this and Hamiltons position hitting it like he did.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yes he tried to back out but if you see the slow motion video, he did so before the tire was actually running over his helmet. You could see him actually trying to duck down in the car and “after” the wheel went over, yes he’s still trying to get out….that somehow makes it ok, that he’s alive trying to get back in….You’re literally only able to make this completely disregardful comment because of a safety system(halo) is on the car now. The problem isn’t even so much the sausage curb as is the driver who went barreling in where there isn’t room and where he’s behind. Only thing Lewis could have done to avoid this collision is run wide off track to let Max the angry bomber through. The purpose of F1 one isn’t to see which driver is the angriest and dangerous so you can let him by.
Max already blew that corner previously when racing Riccardo and then hot headed dangerous Crashstappen just dive bombed his car into Hamilton because if he can’t win than nobody can. Kimi said many years ago that he is dangerous and will kill somebody one day, Max just got closer today. I suppose that someone like you on his keyboard knows more or has a better opinion than another F1 champion who’s actually raced Max, if you’re an F1 racer, than please inform me and I’ll stand corrected but mostly every other driver has had a run in with Max, I remember when he shoved Ocon over an incident. Max is a hot head, he’s reckless and not mature or responsible enough to race at this competitive and also potentially dangerous level of open wheel cars.

Bottom line subjectively fault lies in whomever you’re not a fan of, but objectively the professionals once again made a judgement that seems appropriate. Personally I don’t understand how anyone can say this was caused by Lewis…..leave him room? where, off the racing line, go wide and then say he cheated by gaining advantage off track? Or just concede and give up his forward position because, hey the guy behind you is more dangerous and has anger issues, so let the bully pass you, that’s not what F1 should be about.

The Silverstone crash was completely different, both cars weren’t stopped together, I was absolutely shocked the way Max walked off with a passing glance at Lewis not caring if he was even ok. I was thinking he changed at the beginning of the season but now I will never be a Verstappen fan and believes he has zero business racing in F1 or competing at this level.

Never did I say Hamilton caused the accident I said it was a racing incident and the penalty given was harsh. "COULD" Lewis have given him more space and stayed on track? The answer is yes. Did Lewis want to give him more space when they were side by side into the 2nd part of the chicane? No. Just like Lewis didn't want to go for the apex when he was at Silverstone. Don't kid yourself, Lewis is a master at positioning his car that makes the other person look bad. Listen to any podcast from his own former teammates and team principals. And that is not a dig at him, it's a "tactical decision" to paraphrase Toto.

The more ironic part of this entire episode is the Hamilton apologists clutching their pearls at the aftermath of the wreckage at ~ 30 mph and he immediately puts it in reverse and tries to get back on track vs. their response after a 180 mph hip check sending someone into the wall and hospital and saying Max is wreckless. The bias is strong with the Hamilton ballwashers. And no, I never drove in F1 but neither have you and for every F1 driver who said one thing, you can find another that said it was a racing incident including Martin Brundle who went on and on about being a racing incident during the broadcast.

Finally, with regard to the penalty, I swear toto has pictures of the FIA officials with goats so something because the inherit favoritism toward Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton in general is evident nearly every time there's an incident.

[BobMartian]

This incident reminded me of that time a driver in some Nascar thing ran on the track in a tantrum after crashing. That driver was hit by a race car and died.

I thought I watched F1 because something like that would never happen in F1. Entitled Verstappen proved me wrong.

https://youtu.be/bs_QI5EOA0I