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[huncho]

streamable.com/0iss5c

lol

[Brny11]

Mercedes def read a copy of Ferrari’s 2019 classified report.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by huncho

streamable.com/0iss5c

lol

Rules for me (Ham), but not for thee (Max). Sounds like... America's Well-Connected, or Australia, or France, or.... Was hoping F1 had higher standards. Oh well.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Brny11

Mercedes def read a copy of Ferrari’s 2019 classified report.

The dramatic speed gain in changing an engine gave me that same thought as the illegal Ferrari engine of 2019 when SKY said that HAM's speed advantage on the straight with DRS was 27 kph!! There's definitely something amiss and no way RB will survive with such a straight line deficit for the next 3 races.

Sounds like Mercedes hasn't given the new engine memo to Bottas either as he thought they should hold track position for an easy 1-2 finish but when you have that much power, it won't matter.

[butchcoolidge]

What an unbelievable drive from Hamilton. If he has this same raw power Verstappen won't even be able to stay close to him at the three Middle Eastern power tracks.

[77T]

A great race and a strong defense by VER that almost succeeded.

MB is strong and HAM used all their magic to prevail. What a drive and strategy.

What do you think of his €25,000 fine? (5,000 now; 20,000 suspended contingent on no repeat offense of Appendix L, Ch. III of the ISC)


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[texasmade]

Originally Posted by 77T

A great race and a strong defense by VER that almost succeeded.

MB is strong and HAM used all their magic to prevail. What a drive and strategy.

What do you think of his €25,000 fine? (5,000 now; 20,000 suspended contingent on no repeat offense of Appendix L, Ch. III of the ISC)


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I don't know what the normal fine amount would be but if the fine is consistent with past violations or within the rules then whatever. He took off his seat belt which is a safety violation. There's no arguing this like Max's touching Lewis's car in parc ferme.

[77T]

Well €30K for a touch; €25K for loose belt…hate to see what a peccadillo costs…


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[enjoythemusic]

5k to make Brazil proud?

Worth it!

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

5k to make Brazil proud?

Worth it!

Agreed. Also 2500th f1 post!


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[daveathall]

I wonder what odds one would get for betting that Verstappen runs Hamilton off the track in one of the up coming races. It's almost a certainty.

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I wonder what odds one would get for betting that Verstappen runs Hamilton off the track in one of the up coming races. It's almost a certainty.

Or it may be the opposite who pulls that off....I would not put the halo over Hamiltons head just yet.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Or it may be the opposite who pulls that off....I would not put the halo over Hamiltons head just yet.

I'm no fan of Hamiltons and put no halo with him.

But he needs to stay on the track to win the championship.

The likelihood of him driving Verstappen off would gain him nothing if he doesn't stay on the track, however, it would gain Verstappen greatly.

[drjrhc]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I wonder what odds one would get for betting that Verstappen runs Hamilton off the track in one of the up coming races. It's almost a certainty.

Considering that Hamilton is just as guilty as Max is at times, I wouldn’t be so certain.

Hamilton knocked Albon out of two probably podium appearances in 2019 and got nothing but a 5 sec penalty. Which is like a stern talking to considering their power units.

I also agree that something is amiss. There is no way that much power differential from an ICE swap. It was extraordinarily dramatic difference compared to where Mercedes have been regarding power throughout the year. And it is not commiserate with the other power units being taken by Bottas most notably, but also McLaren and Williams.

I don’t believe all this “massive drive” hubbub. There are only three cars that are in competition with Hamilton. One is his teammate. Two are Red Bulls. So, with the power advantage, the aero advantage of the MB, passing the rest of the field was not all surprising in either the Sprint or main event.

And before anyone jumps me here, look at the past races. MB and Red Bull have been 15-30 seconds or MORE ahead of the rest of the field at nearly every recent race. That pace advantage shows that the mid and back field contenders aren’t even close. So, going P20 to P5 Saturday was not shocking by any means.

But for the MB to be THAT much more powerful with the new ICE from the last 4-5 races, I just don’t see it.

My $.02.


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[drjrhc]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I'm no fan of Hamiltons and put no halo with him.

But he needs to stay on the track to win the championship.

The likelihood of him driving Verstappen off would gain him nothing if he doesn't stay on the track, however, it would gain Verstappen greatly.

Disagree.

Max “driving him off the track” is no more advantageous to him than to Hamilton.

Hamilton is still 14 points behind Max. So, either to gain position or to lose position, depending on what driver we are referencing, it could still be advantageous to either.

But, Max doesn’t always push him off. And neither does Hamilton. I agree Max is a little more loose at the wheel than Lewis. But, Lewis is also known to have had some very high profile scraps of his own. Some that have had him on podiums when he shouldn’t have been.

So, I see Lewis with more to lose here than Max. Lewis has a streak he doesn’t want to end. And neither does MB. Max will be a world champion. It’s just a matter of now versus later.


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[daveathall]

Originally Posted by drjrhc

Disagree.

Max “driving him off the track” is no more advantageous to him than to Hamilton.

Hamilton is still 14 points behind Max. So, either to gain position or to lose position, depending on what driver we are referencing, it could still be advantageous to either.

But, Max doesn’t always push him off. And neither does Hamilton. I agree Max is a little more loose at the wheel than Lewis. But, Lewis is also known to have had some very high profile scraps of his own. Some that have had him on podiums when he shouldn’t have been.

So, I see Lewis with more to lose here than Max. Lewis has a streak he doesn’t want to end. And neither does MB. Max will be a world champion. It’s just a matter of now versus later.


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You disagree that if Hamilton doesn't stay on the track he will not win the championship?

If you could explain how Verstappen driving Hamilton off is advantages to Hamilton I would appreciate it.

Lets take this to it's logical conclusion: Verstappen drives Hamilton off the track in the next 3 races, neither finishes any race. Verstappen wins the championship.

Lets have a look the other way round;

Hamilton drives Verstappen off the track in the next 3 races, neither finishes any race. Verstappen wins the championship.

Where's the advantage to Hamilton? I'm not into arguing over this, I am just missing your point somewhere along the line.

Where I do agree is that Verstappen will be champion, probably sooner than later.

[drjrhc]

I probably didn’t state it as clearly as I could have.

I didn’t mean a DNF as in Sochi. I mean a repeat of what we saw this weekend.

I don’t think that it was as intentional to push him that wide. I think Max was DEFINITELY squeezing him out, and this is where the experience and skill differs. I think Lewis could have pulled that move off, if positions were reversed, and not pushed Max as wide.

My point was that if you swap places, place Max where Lewis was and vice versa, it could easily be advantageous for Max to be pushed wide by Lewis.

And my other point was that Lewis has done this multiple times too. The most egregious instances being both races with Albon in 2019.

I don’t dislike Lewis. I think he’s a bit of a Prima Donna. And I dislike a lot of the off track political statements that he thrust himself into. But, I just don’t think that this weekend’s results are all that surprising. From Practice 1 on Friday it was very clear that this ICE “replacement” was markedly more powerful than what we have seen. And, again, him going P20 to P5 on Saturday is not surprising to me. Even after his DQ I figured him for a P6-P4 finish barring any technical or reliability issues.


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[daveathall]

Originally Posted by drjrhc

I probably didn’t state it as clearly as I could have.

I didn’t mean a DNF as in Sochi. I mean a repeat of what we saw this weekend.

I don’t think that it was as intentional to push him that wide. I think Max was DEFINITELY squeezing him out, and this is where the experience and skill differs. I think Lewis could have pulled that move off, if positions were reversed, and not pushed Max as wide.

My point was that if you swap places, place Max where Lewis was and vice versa, it could easily be advantageous for Max to be pushed wide by Lewis.

And my other point was that Lewis has done this multiple times too. The most egregious instances being both races with Albon in 2019.

I don’t dislike Lewis. I think he’s a bit of a Prima Donna. And I dislike a lot of the off track political statements that he thrust himself into. But, I just don’t think that this weekend’s results are all that surprising. From Practice 1 on Friday it was very clear that this ICE “replacement” was markedly more powerful than what we have seen. And, again, him going P20 to P5 on Saturday is not surprising to me. Even after his DQ I figured him for a P6-P4 finish barring any technical or reliability issues.

Yep, I agree with all that, well, actually I am clueless on the ICE replacement, but everything else I acknowledge. Actually, you probably like Hamilton more than me, I also think he is a Prima Donna but whiney with it.

[drjrhc]

Lol. Agreed! I was being more generous with my like if Lewis.

Whiny is the perfect word in my opinion!

Cheers!


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[enjoythemusic]

Running Max off the road, isn't that BOT's job ;-)

One thing is for sure, F1 is doing everything they can to make things exciting.

Damn the rules, let's get more headlines. Bernie was good at that, yet for other reasons LOL!

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Running Max off the road, isn't that BOT's job ;-)

No. His job is to misjudge his braking points and run into Max not run them off the road. Running Max off the road means Max can still drive.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by texasmade

No. His job is to misjudge his braking points and run into Max not run them off the road. Running Max off the road means Max can still drive.

I believe it's called a Shuey-Shunt manoeuvre these days.
It used to be called the Senna-Sideswipe.



ps. My money's on Toto, in a fistfight with Little Jack Horner.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

I believe it's called a Shuey-Shunt manoeuvre these days.
It used to be called the Senna-Sideswipe.

Verstappen stop um.

[SDGT3]

In all the midst of the rocket ship Mercedes engine coupled with the DRS gate controversy followed by the "did he push him off or not" issue, there's talk of Audi having purchased the McLaren Group. This is a pretty big deal if true. Most of the motorsport publications are saying it's a done deal with a denial by McLaren, which inevitably makes it true based on past F1 protocol.

There's a lot of questions to be answered if indeed true such as why Audi and not Porsche coming into F1 under the VW umbrella?

Will they engage in 2022 or in 2026 when the reg change again.

With another giant manufacturer like a member of the VW Group, how will this effect smaller teams and virtual privateers like Williams (a VC Group), HAAS even with a budget cap?

Who is policing the budget cap?

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

There's a lot of questions to be answered if indeed true such as why Audi and not Porsche coming into F1 under the VW umbrella?

Porsche sales and their race leagues are fine. Audi, not so much, so could use the PR. Audi no longer has Le Mans dominance.

Audi makes sense to me. Plus a line of limited-edition Audi cars with "F1 inspired" engine makes low-hanging fruit marketing. Heck make it a watered-down F1 system-ish and tag it as near-equals to Bugatti, including pirce, yet lighter and far more nimble.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

I believe it's called a Shuey-Shunt manoeuvre these days.
It used to be called the Senna-Sideswipe.



ps. My money's on Toto, in a fistfight with Little Jack Horner.

I think Toto could take Horner & Verstappen together.


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[texasmade]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Who is policing the budget cap?

Budget cap is audited by Deloitte I believe so it's not like a bunch of teams policing themselves with a "trust me, we're following the rules" wink.

[77T]

Lots to unpack from last weekend…and in the windscreen ahead.

VER washes out, HAM avoids him.
No further investigation necessary.

Qatar - next weekend.
Then Saudi & Abu Dhabi back-to-back.

Some new circuit challenges remain and strategic miscalculations may develop.

VW Group coming to F1 in 2026 - new specs (still mum on which brand livery to be emblazoned on the shells)

What’s not to love???


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[77T]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Budget cap is audited by Deloitte I believe so it's not like a bunch of teams policing themselves with a "trust me, we're following the rules" wink.

You could be right on Deloitte - they were named back in 2019.

On the cap, there are so many exemptions, loopholes and offset clauses that the $145 million is virtually impossible to audit via generally acceptable accounting principles.

I believe the auditors are honest, but they have limited insight into how spending is being coded.

IMHO, these teams are way over - maybe 50-75% over - the spending cap.


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Porsche sales and their race leagues are fine. Audi, not so much, so could use the PR. Audi no longer has Le Mans dominance.

Audi makes sense to me. Plus a line of limited-edition Audi cars with "F1 inspired" engine makes low-hanging fruit marketing. Heck make it a watered-down F1 system-ish and tag it as near-equals to Bugatti, including pirce, yet lighter and far more nimble.

audi is a weird case right now. somehow they became more expensive than bmw and mercedes