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David1971 · 17 June 2007, 06:57 AM

Hello!
Just discovered this great forum!

My next watch will probably be a Sub no date (14060M). I'm a little bit concerned about the lack of chronometer certificate. What accuracy can I excpect?
Or should I wait 'til next year when all Rolex watches will be COSC tested?

David

Rubenonfire · 17 June 2007, 07:02 AM

I'd say you're looking at a very accurate watch, whether it's COSC certified or not. An experienced watchmaker should be able to make some very simple, minor adjustments to the movement to get it running at -6/+4.

In my opinion, the 14060 as it is right now (non-COSC certified) will probably become a collector's item sooner or later, and having one would be a nice piece of history. The new versions will most likely come at a premium, since it costs Rolex around $250 per movement, per test to certify the watch and that expense is almost certainly passed along to the consumer. If I were you, I'd go with one that an AD has in stock and avoid the risk of a potential price increase when all the models are COSC.
Good luck!

C.J. · 17 June 2007, 07:30 AM

I've had three so far and the accuracy is spot on

It's the lack of a date that's tough

SPACE-DWELLER · 17 June 2007, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.J.

I've had three so far and the accuracy is spot on

It's the lack of a date that's tough

SUPERLATIVE WELCOMING
OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED

mike · 17 June 2007, 07:37 AM

You can expect supurb accuracy.

The same movement that powers the 14060M also runs the Explorer, a watch that is COSC.
I know several owners that have 14060Ms running from +1 to +3 a day.

There's been a lot of discussion on COSC testing, a lot of it is marketing.
Here's a nice little read,
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...oto=2063&rid=2

leopardprey · 17 June 2007, 08:34 AM

Refer to this old thread:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=16478

Mr. K · 17 June 2007, 08:38 AM

Just bought mine couple months ago. I love it.

mike · 17 June 2007, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. K

Just bought mine couple months ago. I love it.

Beauty Mark!!

roadcarver · 17 June 2007, 09:53 AM

I had a 14060 (pre M) dating back to 1999, after a service from RSC it was spot on at 0 to +1 sec / day.

idoitsavant · 17 June 2007, 12:33 PM

There are folks around here which would love to own certain pieces but have not got their hands on them yet.
Eg Mike would love to own the new GMT II but is sure holding back in pulling the trigger..
This 14060M is something which I would love to own. Just like the 5513 too which a piece in good condition is so tough to come by..

DATEJUSTSS · 17 June 2007, 12:37 PM

The 14060M will mos likely be my next purchase, that is if I cant find a sweet deal on a Kermit.

ausmce8 · 17 June 2007, 12:51 PM

I bought a Z series about 4 months ago, I wear it everyday and store it face up at night. 4 Months later it is +3 seconds.

Highly recommend!

puffnmo · 17 June 2007, 02:04 PM

I own a sub no-date too. Never mind the not having a date, that is exactly what gives the watch it's distinctive appearance. The regular SS Sub date is so ubiquitous that wearing one does not make any special statement (even though it's a great Rolex.)

Many watch lovers consider the simplest dial to make the most powerful statement, i.e. discriminating taste, grown- up and not needing sub-dials, bells, alarms, whistles and other gew- gaws...

I am obviously not yet completely grown up as I love my SS Daytona... Larry.

puffnmo · 17 June 2007, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puffnmo

I own a sub no-date too. Never mind the not having a date, that is exactly what gives the watch it's distinctive appearance. The regular SS Sub date is so ubiquitous that wearing one does not make any special statement (even though it's a great Rolex.)

Many watch lovers consider the simplest dial to make the most powerful statement, i.e. discriminating taste, grown- up and not needing sub-dials, bells, alarms, whistles and other gew- gaws...

I am obviously not yet completely grown up as I love my SS Daytona... Larry.

P,S. All Rollies keep excellent time. Don't worry about it...

jac67 · 17 June 2007, 02:38 PM

Don't worry too much about the COSC rating, it is overrated.

Many 14060M owners claim that their watches are running well within COSC specs.

If it's an issue for you, then wait for the "new" no date to come through, which will be COSC approved.

If accuarcy is paramount to you, then don't buy a mechanical watch at all, go quartz.

I bought a US$5.00 quartz (that's right 5 bucks!) in the US 2.5 years ago, and it is still running on the same battery within 10 secs.

Believe it or not!

Now back to the 14060M, the look is there, the accuracy is great, enjoy the watch - THE END.

John.

danny · 17 June 2007, 03:35 PM

Hi David,

I have just gotten the 14060M; 2 days ago to be exact. Simply love it. You would not go wrong with it.

Cheers,
Danny

JJ Irani · 17 June 2007, 03:43 PM

Welcome to TRF, David.

Great choice of watch....if you can live without the date feature.

Cheers - JJ

David1971 · 17 June 2007, 05:40 PM

Thank you guys!
So many responses!

This weekend I wear my brothers Expll and suddenly my DJ feels so small.

I must have 40mm now.

Cheers
David

Olyckan · 18 June 2007, 01:35 AM

It's a great watch. Since I let Nymans Ur do a small regulation it's spot on - in the last week, it hasn't lost or gained a single second!

I don't know if you frequent the Swedish Time to Talk forum, but there you can find a new Z-series 14060M for SEK 25 000...

I'd love to see your DJ!

nottinghill · 18 June 2007, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. K

Just bought mine couple months ago. I love it.

nice watch.... from the pic...it does not show any lug holes... so new series of 14060m comes without lug holes??

Mr. K · 18 June 2007, 02:42 AM

It has lug holes! Just can't see it. This was right after I bought it, so you can still see the plastic on the sides. Maybe that is hiding the lug holes.

But since then took off the hologram and all the stickers. Wearing it now as I write. Another pic.

JJ Irani · 18 June 2007, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nottinghill

nice watch.... from the pic...it does not show any lug holes... so new series of 14060m comes without lug holes??

Hi Clarence,

The 14060M still comes with lug holes only and the older non-SEL FLIPLOCK bracelet - no choice!!

waltk1026 · 18 June 2007, 01:34 PM

I have a 5513 which no date hasn't bothered me all these years. I rarely look at the day or date on my president.

nottinghill · 18 June 2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hi Clarence,

The 14060M still comes with lug holes only and the older non-SEL FLIPLOCK bracelet - no choice!!

i see.....thanks...jj.....

nottinghill · 18 June 2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. K

It has lug holes! Just can't see it. This was right after I bought it, so you can still see the plastic on the sides. Maybe that is hiding the lug holes.

But since then took off the hologram and all the stickers. Wearing it now as I write. Another pic.

i see....thanks for the clarification.... enjoy your watches ya? nice pics!

17 June 2007, 06:57 AM	#1
David1971 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sweden Watch: PAM 00005 Posts: 202	Wan't to buy a 14060M Hello! Just discovered this great forum! My next watch will probably be a Sub no date (14060M). I'm a little bit concerned about the lack of chronometer certificate. What accuracy can I excpect? Or should I wait 'til next year when all Rolex watches will be COSC tested? David

17 June 2007, 07:30 AM	#3
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	I've had three so far and the accuracy is spot on It's the lack of a date that's tough __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

17 June 2007, 09:53 AM	#9
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	I had a 14060 (pre M) dating back to 1999, after a service from RSC it was spot on at 0 to +1 sec / day. __________________ I'm just a cook...

17 June 2007, 03:43 PM	#17
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Welcome to TRF, David. Great choice of watch....if you can live without the date feature. Cheers - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

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17 June 2007, 07:02 AM	#2
Rubenonfire "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Ruben Location: Orange County Watch: 16610LV Posts: 1,317	I'd say you're looking at a very accurate watch, whether it's COSC certified or not. An experienced watchmaker should be able to make some very simple, minor adjustments to the movement to get it running at -6/+4. In my opinion, the 14060 as it is right now (non-COSC certified) will probably become a collector's item sooner or later, and having one would be a nice piece of history. The new versions will most likely come at a premium, since it costs Rolex around $250 per movement, per test to certify the watch and that expense is almost certainly passed along to the consumer. If I were you, I'd go with one that an AD has in stock and avoid the risk of a potential price increase when all the models are COSC. Good luck!

17 June 2007, 07:37 AM	#5
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	You can expect supurb accuracy. The same movement that powers the 14060M also runs the Explorer, a watch that is COSC. I know several owners that have 14060Ms running from +1 to +3 a day. There's been a lot of discussion on COSC testing, a lot of it is marketing. Here's a nice little read, http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...oto=2063&rid=2

17 June 2007, 08:34 AM	#6
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	Refer to this old thread: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=16478

17 June 2007, 08:38 AM	#7
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,074	Just bought mine couple months ago. I love it.

17 June 2007, 12:33 PM	#10
idoitsavant Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Ivan Location: singapore Watch: WGDJ Posts: 177	There are folks around here which would love to own certain pieces but have not got their hands on them yet. Eg Mike would love to own the new GMT II but is sure holding back in pulling the trigger.. This 14060M is something which I would love to own. Just like the 5513 too which a piece in good condition is so tough to come by..

17 June 2007, 12:37 PM	#11
DATEJUSTSS Banned Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Jesse Location: Central FLA Watch: GMT IIC Posts: 447	The 14060M will mos likely be my next purchase, that is if I cant find a sweet deal on a Kermit.

17 June 2007, 12:51 PM	#12
ausmce8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: temecula ca Posts: 47	I bought a Z series about 4 months ago, I wear it everyday and store it face up at night. 4 Months later it is +3 seconds. Highly recommend!

17 June 2007, 02:04 PM	#13
puffnmo Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 848	I own a sub no-date too. Never mind the not having a date, that is exactly what gives the watch it's distinctive appearance. The regular SS Sub date is so ubiquitous that wearing one does not make any special statement (even though it's a great Rolex.) Many watch lovers consider the simplest dial to make the most powerful statement, i.e. discriminating taste, grown- up and not needing sub-dials, bells, alarms, whistles and other gew- gaws... I am obviously not yet completely grown up as I love my SS Daytona... Larry.

17 June 2007, 02:38 PM	#15
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	Don't worry too much about the COSC rating, it is overrated. Many 14060M owners claim that their watches are running well within COSC specs. If it's an issue for you, then wait for the "new" no date to come through, which will be COSC approved. If accuarcy is paramount to you, then don't buy a mechanical watch at all, go quartz. I bought a US$5.00 quartz (that's right 5 bucks!) in the US 2.5 years ago, and it is still running on the same battery within 10 secs. Believe it or not! Now back to the 14060M, the look is there, the accuracy is great, enjoy the watch - THE END. John.

17 June 2007, 03:35 PM	#16
danny "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 7	Hi David, I have just gotten the 14060M; 2 days ago to be exact. Simply love it. You would not go wrong with it. Cheers, Danny

17 June 2007, 05:40 PM	#18
David1971 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sweden Watch: PAM 00005 Posts: 202	Thank you guys! So many responses! This weekend I wear my brothers Expll and suddenly my DJ feels so small. I must have 40mm now. Cheers David

18 June 2007, 02:42 AM	#21
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,074	It has lug holes! Just can't see it. This was right after I bought it, so you can still see the plastic on the sides. Maybe that is hiding the lug holes. But since then took off the hologram and all the stickers. Wearing it now as I write. Another pic.

18 June 2007, 01:34 PM	#23
waltk1026 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: phila pa Watch: 116610 5513 Posts: 341	I have a 5513 which no date hasn't bothered me all these years. I rarely look at the day or date on my president.

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