Is jewel in fork

[mikie1]

Without the balance, when I move the pallet back and forth the escape starts to unwind everything is free and ok. Is there any way to determine if the jewel is in the fork when I install the balance?

[kanikune]

You can see it visually if the mainspring (MS) is let empty. But if there is tension in the MS, balance should oscillate if roller is in correct side.
(roller jewel does not need to be in between horns of the pallet while installing the bw.)

[mikie1]

?? Not need to be in fork when installing? You mean it gets there by itself? MS empty now.
Thanks you all are great help.

[mikie1]

MS empty but cant see jewel in wheel

[mikie1]

Balance views. Does the wheel look tilted?

[dom_]

Yes it is tilted. Also you have missing parts excluding the auto bridge.

[kanikune]

If you have fully tightened the balance bridge screw, you might have broken the balance staff (BS). If this is true you need new one.

I don't know if there is enough room for the balance to be left tilted and bridge fully tightened without damaging the BS.

[mikie1]

ant put it in any better.

[mikie1]

Could it be that the new top jewel is throwing it off?

[kanikune]

I would first check if the balance pivots are still intact.
These are around 0.08 mm in diameter so can break pretty easily..

[mikie1]

Originally Posted by dom_

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS? (the auto bridge doesn't need to be in now does it?)Also you have missing parts excluding the auto bridge.

I fixed the tilt...the balance bridge regulating screw was screwed in too far. Dont know how unless the new jewel changed the setting.(Ah!Cleaning loosened it)
Balance looks ok but no tick tock. Who said that the roller didn't have to be in the fork if there was no tension?
Thanks

[mikie1]

What you mean roller need not be in fork? Hw does it get there? Thanks Al

Originally Posted by kanikune

You can see it visually if the mainspring (MS) is let empty. But if there is tension in the MS, balance should oscillate if roller is in correct side.
(roller jewel does not need to be in between horns of the pallet while installing the bw.)

[mikie1]

Slightly tilted the other way but fixed now.Balance level

[dom_]

The balance may be level but your hairspring isn't.


Seriously, just stop and let someone fix it who can instead of breaking it bit by bit. I won't be responding to any of your threads from now on.

[mikie1]

before you quit what do you mean by this? Also you have missing parts excluding the auto bridge.

[mikie1]

In fork but no tick tock

[handsfull]

I SERIOUSLY applaud your ambitiousness. Seriously. Not many people would attempt nor have the mechanical aptitude to progress to the point where your at. Well done. Now to get the timing back to COSC......

Bad part: Your movement looks like its been scrubbed with a wire brush, so I'm hoping this journey was worth the devaluation.

[shofzr]

Originally Posted by mikie1

In fork but no tick tock

From the picture looks like your hairspring could be a problem, it is way off enter and possibly not flat.

If any of the coils are touching the arms of the balance wheel then it won't run.


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[Vanessa CW21]

This is so painful to watch

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

This is so painful to watch

Vanessa, this is one of the reasons I refuse to perform brain surgery.

[Georg]

You guys could be a bit more supportive. As much as I enjoy the hand-modeling on these forums, here is someone trying to do something productive. I'm impressed. My abilities will prevent me from ever coming close. I can't even remove a bracelet for fear of scratching it.

Moreover, not everyone gets to learn in a formal setting. Let the poor guy learn through hands-on effort. It's not like he's scrubbing your movement with steel wool.

Rock on aspiring watchmaker, Mikie1.

Perhaps someone knows a really good horologie bible they could point him towards?

[dom_]

He is destroying a movement that he wants to sell on.

He also does not seem to be doing any research of his own, just relying on the help of people on this forum at every stage. I don't want to help someone to continue to destroy a watch with the idea of palming a half broken movement on to someone else.

[rmfnla]

That's why it's so important to have a used Rolex opened up for authentication before the sale.

Can you imagine popping the back and seeing that..?

[Georg]

Originally Posted by rmfnla

That's why it's so important to have a used Rolex opened up for authentication before the sale.

Can you imagine popping the back and seeing that..?

Selling someone a watch that you've tinkered with and butchered isn't OK, unless you've disclosed this fully.

And yes, one should try to read up first. Asking for help is fine after you've done your homework.

[rahible]

Originally Posted by Georg

You guys could be a bit more supportive. As much as I enjoy the hand-modeling on these forums, here is someone trying to do something productive. I'm impressed. My abilities will prevent me from ever coming close. I can't even remove a bracelet for fear of scratching it.

Moreover, not everyone gets to learn in a formal setting. Let the poor guy learn through hands-on effort. It's not like he's scrubbing your movement with steel wool.

Rock on aspiring watchmaker, Mikie1.

Perhaps someone knows a really good horologie bible they could point him towards?

Below are links to inexpensive books on watch repair. I'm sure hairspring orientation and balance function are explained in nearly all of them.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n_...nid=2941120011

I too applaud the effort, but I completely understand the frustration that some experienced and certified watchmakers on the forum have expressed.

Especially since this is such an expensive piece, and in other threads the OP expressed that they were selling it after getting it working.

Watchmaking is not easy and seeing the movement devalued through these threads has been painful to read by some.

I really hope the movement up and running soon, but personally, I think it really should go to a watchmaker.

[dom_]

In its current state it won't run. Parts missing from winding mech, hairspring out of shape and probable balance staff broken from the last few pictures, let alone the 'screw hole to big now' from before. This is now an expensive repair.

[mikie1]

..............................................list ening to you guys master.....is boring.

[parplus]

Excuse me but I don't see missing part?

Originally Posted by dom_

In its current state it won't run. Parts missing from winding mech, hairspring out of shape and probable balance staff broken from the last few pictures, let alone the 'screw hole to big now' from before. This is now an expensive repair.

[dom_]

No wigwag pinion

[mikie1]

Hum it winds? Must be on other side?? or