Why Didn’t the SUB Get An Updated Movement?

[lhawli]

Based on the outcome from Rolex this Basel, you would have thought the easies and most logical one was an updated Sub with the 3235 caliber!

Why did this not happen? I don’t care and I’m quite happy with my LV with the iconic 3135 “proved the test of time” caliber but still doesn’t make any sense!

Lastly, I realized (please calibrate me here), Rolex doesn’t just update the caliber without even making the slightest of esthetic changes, even if it’s just as silly as discontinuing a oyster bracelet for a jubilee. So what does that mean for the Subs? I’ll be dammed if they get a bracelet other than a brushed oyster - so could be a new case, thinner lugs, or even a 41?


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[Etschell]

Because rolex didnt feel like doing it

[RolexEDC]

SMH, even the date just gets the 3235 updated movement. I guess we have to wait till the 75th sub anniversary LOL

[Juan Luis]

If it ain't broke....

[MinMay]

because they have 100+ more years to make it happen LOL... Look at their business and release strategy....they know what they're doing... Only Rolex can question their strategy.

[shapa]

Yes I agree with you. It's very odd. They are getting a little too cute with their styling. Jubilee bracelets on sport models? A jubilee on a sub will be horrendous. It's gonna be a blah Rolex year and a more blah TRF year of postings.

[Fabrice M]

It’s for next year, Basel 2020.

[Shamorai]

Because it’s not really that important.

[toxicavenger]

Updates are not necessarily a yearly thing for all brands. If I am not mistaken in the past Rolex has always been pretty slow to do updates.

[Burbank90]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Because rolex didnt feel like doing it

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore... the Seamaster 300 w/ co-axial, 55 hr power reserve, and 15K gauss resistance is looking pretty fine all a sudden.

All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

[Brian Page]

Originally Posted by lhawli

Based on the outcome from Rolex this Basel, you would have thought the easies and most logical one was an updated Sub with the 3235 caliber!

Why did this not happen? I don’t care and I’m quite happy with my LV with the iconic 3135 “proved the test of time” caliber but still doesn’t make any sense!

Lastly, I realized (please calibrate me here), Rolex doesn’t just update the caliber without even making the slightest of esthetic changes, even if it’s just as silly as discontinuing a oyster bracelet for a jubilee. So what does that mean for the Subs? I’ll be dammed if they get a bracelet other than a brushed oyster - so could be a new case, thinner lugs, or even a 41?


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Because it isn't relevant to Rolex

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by shapa

Yes I agree with you. It's very odd. They are getting a little too cute with their styling. Jubilee bracelets on sport models? A jubilee on a sub will be horrendous. It's gonna be a blah Rolex year and a more blah TRF year of postings.

The Jubilee on GMTs is a blast from the past, my friend.

There's nothing new about this conceptually.

Don't hold your breath for a Jubilee on a Sub, although anything is possible.

The Oyster predates the Sub, but it was designed to be robust, even in the folded link, "tuna-can" days of yore.

The Jubilee is a more refined, dressy design that would truly be out of place on any Submariner.

I wouldn't complain, but I'd be scratching my head.

[w2m3c]

Next year, Subs, year after, Explorers get modernized perhaps?

There are probably some supply chain and manufacturing concerns, but I bet it's mostly stringing out enhancements to sustain hype and demand over the years.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by lhawli

Lastly, I realized (please calibrate me here), Rolex doesn’t just update the caliber without even making the slightest of esthetic changes, even if it’s just as silly as discontinuing a oyster bracelet for a jubilee.

The 14060 and the 14060M are examples of Rolex updating a movement without changes to the rest of the watch, except for the text on the dial regarding the chronometer rating.

There are other examples.

[toolr]

Originally Posted by lhawli

"Rolex doesn’t just update the caliber without even making the slightest of esthetic changes"

Actually, they do. The last of the 16710 GMT-ll's and 16570 Explorer ll's had the new (at the time) caliber 3186 movement and the watches had no other changes to them. It's very possible the 3235 may just start showing up in the Submariner without notice.

[toolr]

Originally Posted by Burbank90

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore... the Seamaster 300 w/ co-axial, 55 hr power reserve, and 15K gauss resistance is looking pretty fine all a sudden.

All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

Enjoy your Seamaster 300, it's a great watch!

[rominvicta]

Originally Posted by lhawli

Based on the outcome from Rolex this Basel, you would have thought the easies and most logical one was an updated Sub with the 3235 caliber!

Why did this not happen? I don’t care and I’m quite happy with my LV with the iconic 3135 “proved the test of time” caliber but still doesn’t make any sense!

Lastly, I realized (please calibrate me here), Rolex doesn’t just update the caliber without even making the slightest of esthetic changes, even if it’s just as silly as discontinuing a oyster bracelet for a jubilee. So what does that mean for the Subs? I’ll be dammed if they get a bracelet other than a brushed oyster - so could be a new case, thinner lugs, or even a 41?


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If Rolex updates all at once what would you be talking abount next year?

[wolffram]

Originally Posted by shapa

Yes I agree with you. It's very odd. They are getting a little too cute with their styling. Jubilee bracelets on sport models? A jubilee on a sub will be horrendous. It's gonna be a blah Rolex year and a more blah TRF year of postings.

What? A Sub on Jubilee is my dream watch...

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Burbank90

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore... the Seamaster 300 w/ co-axial, 55 hr power reserve, and 15K gauss resistance is looking pretty fine all a sudden.

All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

Why most will end up on one of these winding machines so the extra power-reserve in many cases will be irrelevant.And the average now power-reserve is fine and all Rolex have a round thing called a winding crown thats used to wind the watch if needed.If Rolex does change to the 32 series movement in the sub doubt if there will be any fanfare from Rolex as its just a simple drop in refit,the 32 series movement is the same size as the 31 series.

[daytonastl]

Originally Posted by Burbank90

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore... the Seamaster 300 w/ co-axial, 55 hr power reserve, and 15K gauss resistance is looking pretty fine all a sudden.

All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

Seriously?

[Montremoi]

Originally Posted by Burbank90

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore..
All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

This !!!

And it makes the BB58 more appealing than ever.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by lhawli

Based on the outcome from Rolex this Basel, you would have thought the easies and most logical one was an updated Sub with the 3235 caliber!

Why did this not happen? I don’t care and I’m quite happy with my LV with the iconic 3135 “proved the test of time” caliber but still doesn’t make any sense!

Lastly, I realized (please calibrate me here), Rolex doesn’t just update the caliber without even making the slightest of esthetic changes, even if it’s just as silly as discontinuing a oyster bracelet for a jubilee. So what does that mean for the Subs? I’ll be dammed if they get a bracelet other than a brushed oyster - so could be a new case, thinner lugs, or even a 41?


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Worth remembering the 16710 became the 116710 in 2007. The 16610 became the 116610 in 2010. So the current Submariner is (albeit slightly) younger.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by toolr

Actually, they do. The last of the 16710 GMT-ll's and 16570 Explorer ll's had the new (at the time) caliber 3186 movement and the watches had no other changes to them. It's very possible the 3235 may just start showing up in the Submariner without notice.

The 3185 and 3186 are effectively the same calibre though. No case change needed.

The 32xx differs from the 31xx. It is not a direct swap/fit so would require a new case.

[colonelpurple]

Originally Posted by shapa

Yes I agree with you. It's very odd. They are getting a little too cute with their styling. Jubilee bracelets on sport models? A jubilee on a sub will be horrendous. It's gonna be a blah Rolex year and a more blah TRF year of postings.

If they ever bring out a jubilee on a sub that will have me checking out

The loss of the black gmt and the jubilee only gmt is a travesty

I reckon they will reintroduce the black GMT next year to great fanfare and a 10 year waiting list

It’s all tactics

[AdamW]

Originally Posted by Burbank90

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore... the Seamaster 300 w/ co-axial, 55 hr power reserve, and 15K gauss resistance is looking pretty fine all a sudden.

All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

I have a sub and last year picked up the 300. The Omega is a pretty impressive watch. Especially as you can get one for around 4.2K. It still doesn't "feel" like Rolex, (clasp is unfinished in parts), but it's a damn fine timepiece.

[1William]

Just not time for the update. Rolex will do it, the question is, when?

[Rokoru]

Omega and Tudor have a technically "better" movement in their divers and at a much sharper price point...

[lawrence1]

Originally Posted by Burbank90

And now I don't feel like buying a 114060 anymore... the Seamaster 300 w/ co-axial, 55 hr power reserve, and 15K gauss resistance is looking pretty fine all a sudden.

All we wanted was a 70 hour power reserve Rolex!

Surely Rolex will be devastated to hear you won’t be buying one.

[Brny11]

Rolex has the most saught after watches in the world with the modern (and vintage) Daytona, gmt and certain professional diver models. This is dating back many years of Basel releases. People are assuming that subtle releases in 2019 will somehow impact that. It won’t. Also, the ceramic 3135 imo is very collectible (though not rare) it will retain value after the next sub is out. Rolex doesn’t need this event to stay relevant. It is just a platform to release watches. They use practically all 364 days (outside of Basel) to grow brand equity and desirability.

[m j b]

Originally Posted by AdamW

I have a sub and last year picked up the 300. The Omega is a pretty impressive watch. Especially as you can get one for around 4.2K. It still doesn't "feel" like Rolex, (clasp is unfinished in parts), but it's a damn fine timepiece.

I had a recent Seamaster, and I agree, it's a darn fine timepiece, especially since I was able to snag a new (gray) one for under $3K. I got rid of it because I rarely wore it, why would I when I can wear a Rolex? But compare 3K to 9K and it's really hard to justify sometimes.