Will there be a "no-date/steel" version of the new Sub with the glidelock clasp?

[iwantagmt]

As the title says, I was wondering if there will be a steel no-date version of the new maxi case/dial sub with the new clasp?

That sounds very appealing, as I do not like the looks of the cyclops.

Thanks!

[Tools]

I would say no....

the basic Sub has not been updated in over 20 years, except for a couple of counterfeit measures...the etched rehaut and the etched crystal..

I would say that it will stay in production, and remain the same as it now is...

[SLS]

No, the Sub no date is an icon!
Scott

[Singslinger]

I agree with the rest - it's very unlikely that Rolex would tinker with the no-date Sub.

[Watchdog]

Nope.

[iwantagmt]

I agree that the current model is great, I just wish it would have the glidelock clasp. I'm not sure if it is interchangeable, but I don't think I would change it out anyway simply because i like my stuff to be original. Oh well. Thanks for the quick responses!!

btw, a watch's clasp is very important to me for some reason, i think it is because it is the first and last part experienced each day, when i put it on and take it off. I would actually go for the (less attractive) maxi case/dial if it meant getting the glidelock. I realize that I am strange!

[Tools]

I expect that the glidelock clasp will probably bolt right on............ but if it is anything like the Daytona Clasp, the price will be upwards to a thousand bucks... and you will have to find some out-of-country connections to even get a line on one...


Rolex should offer a decent clasp replacement for their older bracelets........ it just makes no sense that customers have to stay in the dark ages with a supposedly top-of-the-line product....

[padi56]

Originally Posted by iwantagmt

As the title says, I was wondering if there will be a steel no-date version of the new maxi case/dial sub with the new clasp?

That sounds very appealing, as I do not like the looks of the cyclops.

Thanks!

Have to look into my crystal ball for that one, just wait and see only Rolex knows at the moment.

[Ed Rooney]

Clearly Rolex does not cherish the no-date Sub like we do. Think about it. The 50th anniversary Sub was a Sub Date, even though the original Sub Date did not come out until the 1960's. The 14060M isn't even listed on the Rolex site. They look upon the Sub Date as the torch bearer.

I think someone already photoshopped a supercase, maxi-dial no-date Sub. It looked pretty sweet.

I say they will update it or eliminate it. It's purely a business decision. They are not going to want to release the 116610 at $7200 or so and have the old 14060m competing with it at $5500.

[al_bongo]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

I say they will update it or eliminate it. It's purely a business decision. They are not going to want to release the 116610 at $7200 or so and have the old 14060m competing with it at $5500.

Makes some sense, though you could argue it opens up a new price point they didn't have before.

The perceived lack of a date function I think is a deal breaker for many. To the extent that there are those out there who would willingly pay $1700 for the date alone never mind any other changes.

For all the apparent similarity between the 14060M and the sub date the 14060M, I think, appeals to quite a different market and I think Rolex are well aware of this.

[TheDude]

I don't see why they wouldn't simply have a no-date model using the new Sub.

As far as where such a model (or keeping the old one) would be on a "wish list", such wishes would certainly go below getting brushed center links on the new SS sub IMO.

[mcubed]

As much as I hate to say it, I have a 14060M as my only Rolex, my prediction is that the ND sub will not get the upgrades, and will simply be discontinued when the time comes. It is a bit superfluous in the line anyway, it is not entry level by any means (like the Airking), it isn't the sole bearer of a tradition like the Explorer (It's not like there is an Explorer date and an Explorer no date-the Exp II does not count...). These days for most, the Sub date is the Submariner, and I fear that the ND sub will soon become a relic of another age........

[sea-dweller]

I hope that they don't modify the classic 14060 at all !

Here's mine -

Originally Posted by iwantagmt

As the title says, I was wondering if there will be a steel no-date version of the new maxi case/dial sub with the new clasp?

That sounds very appealing, as I do not like the looks of the cyclops.

Thanks!

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by sea-dweller

I hope that they don't modify the classic 14060 at all !

Here's mine -

Where....in that building?



Oh, that fuzzy thing.

[RFB]

Personally, i can appreciate the merit of upgrading the clasp on the
14060m and can see Rolex doing so to increase its selling price and profit on this model. However to me the less changes the better. With such an iconic watch the more it resembles the original the greater the appeal...Perhaps i'm just a traditionalist at heart and should have bought vintage

[presario]

To me, it makes sense for Rolex to update the 14060M along with the rest of the sub line. Here's why: Economies of scale.

If they can produce only one case, bracelet, ceramic bezel, etc across as many models as possible, it makes each unit costs cheaper for Rolex. It doesn't make sense for them to produce the old case, aluminum bezel, old bracelet, clasp, etc just for the 14060M. As cherished and as iconic as the 14060M is, business always seems to come first in making a decision like this. I won't be surprised to see the 114060M in a couple of years.

[theken]

I suspect the no date Sub will be discontinued in the next couple of years once the current inventory is sold out.

[mcubed]

Originally Posted by presario

To me, it makes sense for Rolex to update the 14060M along with the rest of the sub line. Here's why: Economies of scale.

If they can produce only one case, bracelet, ceramic bezel, etc across as many models as possible, it makes each unit costs cheaper for Rolex. It doesn't make sense for them to produce the old case, aluminum bezel, old bracelet, clasp, etc just for the 14060M. As cherished and as iconic as the 14060M is, business always seems to come first in making a decision like this. I won't be surprised to see the 114060M in a couple of years.

Problem with this logic is that it is not even the case now. Cases, bezels, bezel inserts, bracelets and dials are not compatible between the 14060 and 16610, so Rolex is not known for compatibility between models. I really think the end is coming for this model.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by mcubed

...it is not even the case now. Cases, bezels, bezel inserts, bracelets and dials are not compatible between the 14060 and 16610, so Rolex is not known for compatibility between models.

True, but I think the point made was a valid one... Providing an equivalent model -could- be as simple as fitting a new sub with a dial sans date, no date wheel, and no cyclops.

Time will tell I suppose.

[SilverTrain]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

Where....in that building?



Oh, that fuzzy thing.

[SilverTrain]

I think they'll keep a no-date model, but try to make it more cost-effective (i.e. as expensive as possible), i.e. they've already added the COSC certification, and I predict they will produce a new maxi dial version with new clasp, etc, and call it Submariner 'classic' or something else which will make it sound like a soft-drink .. it does peeve me (as a proud ex-14060 owner) that it isn't featured in their website, but they could make a feature of it, promote its historical significance (see what Omega do with the moon watch) and generate interest. As it is, its a bit of a relic, and (seemingly) only of interest to WISs or those looking for the cheapest sports Rolex in the shop.

Rolex are not shying away from non-date models - in fact, I think they are making a come-back - see the Milgauss and the resurgence of the Cellini range.

[al_bongo]

I quite like that it flies below the radar in real life and in the Rolex catalogue.

The difference in price between the 14060M and the sub date is £360. If it's a sports Rolex you're interesed in that means the sub date, to most people. I don't think many people would sell out their chance of owning one of the most recognised, classic Rolexes of all time for the sake £360.

Pisses me off that the 14060M is the cheaper option. I think Rolex should just double the price of the 14060M and keep it exactly the same and continue selling it along side the new sub dates. Problem solved.

[macstiltskin]

Originally Posted by al_bongo

I quite like that it flies below the radar in real life and in the Rolex catalogue.

I agree, part of the appeal for me is the fact that many "flash Harrys" insist on having the Sub-date or a super shiney loud Rolex, they're welcome to them. As my late Dad always said "Quality never goes out of style" This watch will always shine through to people who appreciate simple classic design!

[FLB03TT]

Originally Posted by macstiltskin

I agree, part of the appeal for me is the fact that many "flash Harrys" insist on having the Sub-date or a super shiney loud Rolex, they're welcome to them. As my late Dad always said "Quality never goes out of style" This watch will always shine through to people who appreciate simple classic design!

You've hit the nail right on the head!! I've been going back and forth between the Sub/date & Sub/ND and always end up back w/ the CLEAN & CLASSIC design of the ND. The 14060M is an unassuming tour de force which most cannot understand nor appreciate. Of course, if you must have the date function get the 16610. But if you can live without it- the 14060M sets you apart from the "current" crowd while aligning you with the "classic" crowd. Essentially a Brand New Vintage Rolex.

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

Clearly Rolex does not cherish the no-date Sub like we do. Think about it. The 50th anniversary Sub was a Sub Date, even though the original Sub Date did not come out until the 1960's. The 14060M isn't even listed on the Rolex site. They look upon the Sub Date as the torch bearer.

I think someone already photoshopped a supercase, maxi-dial no-date Sub. It looked pretty sweet.

I say they will update it or eliminate it. It's purely a business decision. They are not going to want to release the 116610 at $7200 or so and have the old 14060m competing with it at $5500.

I agree with that crystal ball too. I believe the no date in its current form will be around for at least two more letters then done; that goes for the for the LV and Y1 too. At that point then we will see no more production of the LV and current casings for the Y1 and no-date SUB; they all will be getting "SUPERCASES" !

Get your credit cards ready fellers cause its buyin time; I was over on an OMEGA forum and there are '"fire sales" going on all over this continent and no doubt, as we've recently witnessed in Las Vegas, ROLEX is a part of the food chain. Get your, dare I say, "collectable" 40 thin cases while they're around.

I did say that there would be at least two, maybe even three, more letters b4 these casings stopped, but this does, no way, no how, and you know the rest; means that there will be production numbers for these models in quantities of recent for those upcoming letters, so get em while they're - wait for it...
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HOT !

[dannyp]

I tried it on for the first time today, and I have to say, I never realized how different it would look on my wrist than a Sub date (which I've tried before, several times). I liked it a lot better.

I am with the poster who said that this should have been the anniversary edition, but I wouldn't have used a green bezel, I'd have brought back the red lettering and made a special caseback. Though that's neither here nor there.

For those who see this piece being discontinued shortly, do you see a similar fate for the Exp. II, which will be the last of the thin cased 40mm watches? Or do you think it'll be adapted as well?

[al_bongo]

Nobody knows if either the Exp II or sub 14060M are going to be discontinued.

What Rolex will presumably have to do is have the old style case available for the next 30yrs as a replacement part for all the watches out there which use this case.

Whether they will stock pile it or keep manufacturing and produce watches like the 14060M on an ongoing basis is anyone's guess.

[DadsWatch72]

Whenever someone starts messing around with a new design, a new problem is usually found. Someone has alread mentioned that the clasp releases the extension when it wasn't desired. I wonder if this will be an isolated case or if others will have problems with the new bracelet. The old design was simple and worked well.