ADs and endless false hope?

[rlxdjsub]

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

[dmash]

I’d offer two pieces of advice:

If they quote you 3+ years, find another dealer, as that actually means ‘I’m not considering you’.

If you want a Daytona without an extensive purchase history, wake up out of reality.

[SS Oyster]

Depends on the SA and the AD. I would think most would give you a realistic view on outlook for the piece you want. Most just say it's not possible, or extensive wait.

[beshannon]

Welcome to the forum

My advice would be to focus on other brands if you are truly interested in watches.

[Mystro]

[Harry-57]

As said above. Depends on the AD and the SA.

My AD has always talked straight. If I can't get on a list they tell me. If I'm on a list I will get the watch. If they quote a time scale the watch has always arrived sooner. They don't always quote a time scale. When they talk about policy, they talk about manager's policy, owner's policy, store policy, they don't hide behind any mythical "Rolex policies".

Maybe my AD is a particularly good and rare example. There will always be variability, but if my AD's conduct is in a minority the picture looks rather bleak. I expect it's more to do with clicking with the right person and getting to know people. Blind luck may also occasionally factor in. It can happen.

[Jack T]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

The OP has posed seven of the most nonsensical questions I can imagine.

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

[Watchesnguitars]

Mine has always been upfront and honest… Yes sometimes it took a while almost 9 months for a DJ but they were always responsive whenever asked for an update.


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[SLWoodster]

Yes SA's give false hope. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes unintentionally. Lots of SAs have expressed frustration at not having the stock that customers want. You'll often see them hiding behind empty cases avoiding customers. LOL.

But most don't really have much control. Management and ownership does. More of the ADs review client's entire purchase history before allocating certain pieces.

You need to accept that there are just too many blokes trying to buy Rolexes and you're just another chump like us.

Go grey or wait your turn or keep on buying anything else in the store and wait your turn.

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

1. What are you trying to get?
2. What year did you buy your first piece from AD
3. What is your total spend to date?

[dannyp]

They’ll only strong you asking if they’re trying to sell you something else and “game” you. Not hard to pick those out. Then there are the polite brush offs. Also relatively easy to spot.

[Tim Plains]

Some people respond angrily or like children if they are told no. How likely are you to buy anything from that AD if they give you a hard no? That is why they give false hope.

[rlxdjsub]

Originally Posted by HideMyWalletPlease

1. What are you trying to get?
2. What year did you buy your first piece from AD
3. What is your total spend to date?

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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[brandrea]

Welcome to the forum

[Ichiran]

My AD doesn't give any false hope. Their SOP is telling every customer they have been "registered on an interest list, and an interest list is not a waiting list". It almost feels like killing all hope at the start of the query, but at least I won't lose sleep at night thinking when I will receive the watch.

[Jay2101]

Not sure if this is better or worse than Japan, where they tell you mostly to just pop in often and get lucky. There are secret lists for high-rollers and repeat customers, but rare to hear about.

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[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by Jack T

The OP has posed seven of the most nonsensical questions I can imagine.

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

You’re wrong - the OP asked 8 question

[Andad]

Yes.

[Cigars&Watches]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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I don't see a Daytona or SD happening and the others will be really tough.. I think you have to compare yourself to the other hundreds of people who want the same model. Although spend is not the only factor at play it is an important one especially for the pieces you want.

Having said this I would keep trying if you get good vibes from your AD and branch out to other AD's if possible and see how they respond. Allocation varies from AD to AD.

Personally, my AD has always been up front and fair with me, always tells me to be patient and has not let me down.

Keep us posted and best of luck!!

[noshake]

It depends on the AD, just hope you get someone honest that gives you a fair shot.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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So my gut reaction and my honest opinion is that you got in too late. For example back in 2018 when you could still buy PM professional models, I bought a yellow gold Daytona that was in stock. I also bought a yellow gold sub that was in stock. Then they started allocating me any stainless piece I want it as it came in. Then after that I got the Pepsi GMT. Then finally the Daytona. I didn’t have to buy any garbage I didn’t want. Everything that I bought it was really cool.

The problem you have right now is that there’s nothing available to buy to create a spend history which means those really hard to get models that you listed are going to be tough for you to get. You could simply go gray and get exactly what you want. If you’re interested in playing A.D. games. I think most of what you have on your list is going to be tough to get. You might have better luck trying to get a sub. Another strategy would be asking for a day date. If you can get them to get you a DD, that might make you on your way to VIP status at the A.D. and then that would open the door for you to ask for something that you have on that list. I think they would pay a lot more attention to you if you came in asking for a day date instead of coming in there and saying hey can I have a stainless steel Daytona or left-handed GMT that’s made in very small numbers.

[Gab27]

Some ADs may be hesitant to say point blank that they are not offering you the watch because you are not giving them enough money, but given your spend history relative to the watches you want, most likely that is the scenario.

As for 'false hope', it's not really false hope as much as it may be unrealistic expectations in the current market. If conditions change drastically to where Daytonas, BLNRs, and BLROs are all readily available in excess and sitting in display cases, chances are they will be blowing up your cell.

Also, if you told your AD that you wanted all of the watches you mentioned here, they may also think you were trying to flip them as it could be interpreted as more of a laundry list of every crazy high-demand SS piece rather than a targeted piece to build a collection.

[Jack T]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

You’re wrong - the OP asked 8 question

If you count the title of the thread, correct.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

You aren’t doing the AD any favors by asking for something he doesn’t have or something that trades 3x retail. Your opportunity to start building some purchase history would open up when some of the models become a little bit more available and they are trading closer to retail or maybe even a little bit under retail. Those will be the models that you will be able to buy in order to build up some history. As you are buying these models, you can communicate with your SA, “hey this great but I would like to get a GMT next”. Don’t even ask for a stainless Daytona because you’re not a stainless Daytona customer yet.

Another way to go, is if they really like you and think that you’re a genuine collector you might be able to start off by getting a sub or even a blue GMT. That might take a little bit of patience and follow up.

[njlam]

While I am relatively new to getting on a list (for a Batman/Oyster), my AD said it was not impossible, but would probably take more than a year.

My question is this: I don't pretend to be a priority customer, however, Rolex produces a lot of watches every year, how many of the top models (SS Daytona/GMTII/Etc) to ADs get every year?

I am sure once an AD gets their allocation, management allocates them to salespeople, and sales people take care of their best customers.

So is it better to get on an AD list at a place like Ben Bridge (who is a large distributor of Rolex watches, but has 100s of sales people), or on the list at a smaller, mom & pop type AD which has fewer sales people?

Do people put their names on multiple AD lists?

[bluestreak]

So the OP lists off all of the hottest watches and nothing else? They will surely think he’s a flipper. I mean I would with that list.



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[Cauhauna]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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i nearly spit out my beer at this list; i had to check twice to see if you were really the OP, or if someone was trolling

LOL

Edit: all jokes aside, imagine you are the proprietor. You get 3 blue dwellers per year, and fewer than ten white daytonas. Would you really sell to someone who has only spent 10 with you that isn’t a personal friend? Keep in mind you have customers that want these pieces that spent 50 last year.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Cauhauna

i nearly spit out my beer at this list; i had to check twice to see if you were really the OP, or if someone was trolling

LOL

Honestly OP might be trolling


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[2loaded]

Tough stuff.
Welcome.

[vassosent]

Do not play AD's game ....turn your back and go to other brand. I have 6 rolex . It doesn't worth begging to give your money

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