ADs and endless false hope?

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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Not gonna happen.
Sorry.

In your position, I’d go grey market, or pick another brand

[padi56]

Originally Posted by vassosent

Do not play AD's game ....turn your back and go to other brand. I have 6 rolex . It doesn't worth begging to give your money

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Have to agree and if everyone done the same them perhaps we could get back to normality. ADs are not gods although the internet now proclaims as they are ,but they are just retail shops that sells watches nothing more.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

If the AD doesn't know you, that wish list probably qualifies you as a speculator/flipper. Not that I'm a mind reader, but look at it from their direction.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

Well then, good night, and good luck.

[alphadweller]

Most ADs I've visited for a sports steel piece have been shooting pretty straight, no purchase history, no chance.

[Nicw100]

The truth is, there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to AD's and their lists and watch distribution.

I recently purchased a Patek Aquanaut from an AD (after a 3 year wait), and was initially placed on their waiting list after only 1 watch purchase (Rolex SS OP value).

By rights, I should have got nowhere near the waiting list for this Patek what with my the purchase history (or lack of).

Point being, if you don't ask (in a friendly manner) then you don't get.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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I see, you're just like every other neophyte in the game. Sure they're going to want to increase your bank account. Seems really probable, not.

[dmash]

The fact OP said ‘the obvious’ and railed off like 5 hot timepieces pretty much solidifies he *is* a flipper. And in 2022 practically any SA can sniff that out easily.

I give you .001% chance of any of those happening, just being honest.

Originally Posted by Cauhauna

i nearly spit out my beer at this list; i had to check twice to see if you were really the OP, or if someone was trolling

LOL

Edit: all jokes aside, imagine you are the proprietor. You get 3 blue dwellers per year, and fewer than ten white daytonas. Would you really sell to someone who has only spent 10 with you that isn’t a personal friend? Keep in mind you have customers that want these pieces that spent 50 last year.

But break it down even further, that’s $10k in four entire years. That’s incredibly minimal, by any AD standard. Would actually maybe even put him in a worse spot than a new guy who is acting like he might spend annually.

We give ADs a lot of flack but honestly I wouldn’t have the patience for it. They get requests like this on a daily basis. It would become so repetitive.

[Tricolore66]

I don’t understand what’s so hard about just telling the AD which watch you’d like to get, and asking them what it takes to make that happen. If you have no history with them and you’re just wandering around from dealer to dealer telling them you want these watches you’re just wasting your time, and theirs. The false hope is nothing more than the AD being polite, and anyone with a clue of self-awareness would have figured this out pretty quickly.

Or just buy grey. If paying a premium isn’t something you can comfortably afford then MSRP probably is as well.

[worldofoyster]

remember SAs and ADs are NOT your friends. they are sales people and will say many things (good and bad) to make a sale. so yes, they will lie and give you false hope to keep you interested.

[Njkdog]

I don’t think it’s an AD thing, I think it’s a sales person thing. Some people are just more comfortable giving you straight up not so good news. Some people are people pleasers so they’ll feel like they need to say yeah, you’ll get it eventually even if that’s not the case. Some dealers have the ability to get Watches, some honestly don’t because they don’t get allocated that much. And out of the ones that do, some of them will randomly give them to their clients, some it’s not random. For you as a customer, it’s kind of just luck, so that’s why you should talk to as many dealers as possible, increase your odds
Edit, I am a people pleaser, it would make me feel so uncomfortable to tell you, nobody, you’re not realistically gonna get a watch from me, I probably wouldn’t feel comfortable enough to say that

[stevestil]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are not getting any pieces you have mentioned above with your most recent purchase being 4 years ago and 10k spend history.


in your AD’s eyes you’re barely a customer.

you can get mad at me or take this comment the wrong way, but i’m just being honest. not trying to be a jerk.

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[fania123]

So happy I zero desire to purchase any newer Rolex as there is no way at I’d play these games. I remember purchasing SS models right out of the showcase with a modest discount.

[rmwill]

Not as long as we have watch investors.

Originally Posted by Jack T

The OP has posed seven of the most nonsensical questions I can imagine.

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

[CoolCat#7208]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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Not to give you false hope, but it can happen.

However, the chances of this panning out the way you want it to is *highly* unlikely.

The SA/AD has an opportunity to essentially hand someone free money. They are not dumb and they see the potential, they are very aware of what goes on on the grey market (whether or not some of them partake in underhand things is neither here nor there)
There is a list of a thousand people waiting to accept this free money, so they have to have a reason to pick you over everyone else. That list will include high-profile (spend) clients who get offered watches all the time, and also others such as people with special occasions/reasons to want the watch.
If you just want it, that's not a valid reason nowadays.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

If the AD doesn't know you, that wish list probably qualifies you as a speculator/flipper. Not that I'm a mind reader, but look at it from their direction.

Totally agree.

If I find it hard to believe that the OP just happens, purely by chance of course(!), to only really like all the very hottest models, then I'd say it's pretty likely that an AD would think the same.

[whiskyrolex]

Originally Posted by Driver8

Totally agree.

If I find it hard to believe that the OP just happens, purely by chance of course(!), to only really like all the very hottest models, then I'd say it's pretty likely that an AD would think the same.

+1

That list reeks of a flipper and if everyone here says that them the AD probably saw it from a mile away.

[WristWatchWonders]

I was fortunate to start buying with the local AD (only one in my area) prior to the craziness. I've purchased a 126234, 214270 (39 mm), 116503 within the past three years. I also picked-up a Blue Bay 58 on a whim (love that watch!) and had my 14060M serviced.

During that time, I've done all my Christmas, birthday, anniversary, etc. shopping with the AD. The purchases are spread-out through the year so I can go in periodically and buy something, not just shoot the breeze. This helped me give gentle reminders while building a purchase history. I also didn't need to buy crap I didn't want.

The SA has always been straight-up. Patience, and time at the AD, go a long way.

[amh]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

When seeking out a highly desired piece at an AD such as one of the SS sport models, would SAs give false hope if they have no intention of ever allocating you the watch? Meaning would they even tell you they will try to get you the watch at some point if they don't mean it or don't think they will able to? Does it mean anything if they tell you they will keep you in mind and try or is it just a standard thing to say regardless of if they will every allocate you the piece? Do you folks have any experiences with ADs where they continue to give you "hope" but never end up coming through year after year? Is this common? Are ADs trained to give this kind of "false hope?" Maybe I'm naive but why would they lie and give hope instead of just saying it won't be possible? Are there no rules/ethics against lying? I've seen posts where others have said their ADs have told them either the watch they want is "impossible" to get or that they don't do waitlists or the wait will be some ridiculous amount of time (5+ years, etc.) so compared to those responses from ADs this sounded better to me but curious to hear feedback if it's just as meaningless.

My AD(s) are all exactly like that. "You should have it by Thanksgiving" (ie. 6 months) is what I hear every time I visit. They have no intention of selling me anything. There are no lists, they won't say it but spending is the only way to get an SS. I figure 50k per AD. Focusing that spend on one location is a challenge because they don't really have anything to buy in the first place, they've never even whipped out a DJ and asked "Would your wife like this?" Everything they say is an act.

The "hot" models are hot because they have much to offer:
- Great basic design
- Durable, very water resistant
- Good value (relatively speaking, 10k is still a lot of money - but it's not 50k)
- A little shiny but not blingy

Most men would want at least one of those 'hot' models, the OP isn't unique or delusional.

[whiskyrolex]

Originally Posted by amh

My AD(s) are all exactly like that. "You should have it by Thanksgiving" (ie. 6 months) is what I hear every time I visit. They have no intention of selling me anything. There are no lists, they won't say it but spending is the only way to get an SS. I figure 50k per AD. Focusing that spend on one location is a challenge because they don't really have anything to buy in the first place, they've never even whipped out a DJ and asked "Would your wife like this?" Everything they say is an act.

The "hot" models are hot because they have much to offer:
- Great basic design
- Durable, very water resistant
- Good value (relatively speaking, 10k is still a lot of money - but it's not 50k)
- A little shiny but not blingy

Most men would want at least one of those 'hot' models, the OP isn't unique or delusional.

Then why isn't Explorer, Sub, Milgauss, Yachmaster on OPs list? They all fit into your description.

Sorry but anyone with half a brain can see the list is ridiculous. Why would OP want a VTNR and a BLRO? Is he left handed or right handed? Does he really have no preference between BLRO and BLNR? Most people have an opinion about which one they like better.

Exercising some common sense can go a long way with the AD. Regardless of whether or not OP legitimately wants all the hot models, he looks like a fool by presenting the AD with a laundry list of the most valuable references either way.

[HideMyWalletPlease]

Just ask for the Rainbow Daytona.

[noshake]

Originally Posted by WristWatchWonders

I was fortunate to start buying with the local AD (only one in my area) prior to the craziness. I've purchased a 126234, 214270 (39 mm), 116503 within the past three years. I also picked-up a Blue Bay 58 on a whim (love that watch!) and had my 14060M serviced.



During that time, I've done all my Christmas, birthday, anniversary, etc. shopping with the AD. The purchases are spread-out through the year so I can go in periodically and buy something, not just shoot the breeze. This helped me give gentle reminders while building a purchase history. I also didn't need to buy crap I didn't want.



The SA has always been straight-up. Patience, and time at the AD, go a long way.

Solid advice.

[rlxdjsub]

Not a flipper despite what all may think. These are just the pieces that I want to add to my collection. The few other models that I like I already own. Regarding the "spend" and "purchase history" - I have no problem spending and building a purchase history with these particular pieces over time. The fact that the community at large and ADs expect folks to spend on things they don't really want just so they "qualify" for the more desired pieces actually creates more incentive for people to flip the less desired pieces IMO. The average joe does not have enough discretionary income to keep spending on pieces they don't want just so they can one day attain a SS sports model or the like. That average joe is going to sell the less desired pieces at cost or profit and those proceeds will go towards buying the SS models when they finally get their turn after demonstrating a "purchase history" and meaningful "spend." That is a problem. The community doesn't seem to understand this basic concept. For ADs, I understand that they are running a business at the end of the day, so maybe they don't care if the less desired models are being flipped? That's certainly what it seems like but there's no way for us to know for sure. The handful of watches I mentioned retail for over 70K or so in aggregate - what's wrong with wanting to build a purchase history for those specific models over time and why is it impossible? Assuming I get lucky and get a call for let's say a Batman - that's $11K of spend right there. If I maintain a relationship with the AD, meaning only that I check in with them every few weeks, not that I spend more on junk I don't want, and prove that I still own the Batman, why would they have a problem allocating me the next watch on my list? And so on and so forth. Rinse and repeat. I'll have proven that I am not a flipper, will have proven that I am can and am willing to spend, will have proven that I truly like these watches... IMO the problem is the community - why do folks "buy in" to this nonsense. Do not buy things that you don't want - if this started happening in the masses then ADs would act differently. Right now it's a win-win for ADs, they are selling the less desired pieces to the chumps who think that is the only way to go to get the highly desired piece.

[m j b]

Originally Posted by Jack T

Here’s question #8- will these stupid posts never end??

Aside from the obvious implication that the OP is a troll, it's just as likely that he has legitimate questions but hasn't bothered to read this forum at all before inquiring. Which would have saved everyone a whole lot of trouble.

Kind of like grey market markups - if no one would buy these watches, the market would disappear and we could go back to "normal". If we'd stop feeding the trolls, those posts would eventually disappear and we could go back to "normal".

Just a thought.

[rlxdjsub]

Originally Posted by m j b

Aside from the obvious implication that the OP is a troll, it's just as likely that he has legitimate questions but hasn't bothered to read this forum at all before inquiring. Which would have saved everyone a whole lot of trouble.

Kind of like grey market markups - if no one would buy these watches, the market would disappear and we could go back to "normal". If we'd stop feeding the trolls, those posts would eventually disappear and we could go back to "normal".

Just a thought.

What trouble exactly? No one is obligated to respond. This forum is for our leisure. Was not trying to be a troll - they were/still are legitimate questions. I wrote a detailed/logical response back to some other questions that were posed but not sure why they are not posting - keeps saying moderator needs to approve?

[malba2366]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

1. The obvious pieces - SS Daytona white and black dial, GMT sprite, Batman , and Pepsi, SkyDweller blue dial

2. 2018 was last watch purchase from them

3. $10,000 +/-


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Hopefully you didn't just walk into the AD and drop that list on them...if you did, they probably think you are a flipper. The 6 watches on your list are all the big hype watches. It takes serious purchase history to get all of those on short order.

[Chester01]

They lie, until you pony enough money on crap you don't want. Then all the sudden like magic, you get a call, "totally out of the blue" and its your lucky day. The more you spend the luckier you get, period. They reward repeat customer and high spenders (largely gray market folks) and so they string you along seeing what kind of of customer you are. Sorry from the business standpoint, they don't need you now. They have a gray market and can sell anything that comes in. They simply don't have interest in someone looking to get a watch or 2. Sorry, those days are long gone. Rolex is simply becoming associated with run away capitalism and excessive hype and only accessible to gray market dealers/speculators and oligarchs/celebrities. Sad really.

[amh]

Originally Posted by malba2366

Hopefully you didn't just walk into the AD and drop that list on them...if you did, they probably think you are a flipper. The 6 watches on your list are all the big hype watches. It takes serious purchase history to get all of those on short order.

They're only 'hype' in the current market and OP's request is only ridiculous in recent times. Normally those would all be available with minimal trouble, potentially even with a discount.

Good grief. I do understand that these SS models are sought after but not everyone wants to buy 6 datejusts before they get an SS piece. I'm pretty much done with the AD games. Either they sell me the watch or I'll live without it.

[whiskyrolex]

Originally Posted by amh

They're only 'hype' in the current market and OP's request is only ridiculous in recent times. Normally those would all be available with minimal trouble, potentially even with a discount.

Yeah, sure... let us know when you were last offered a SS Daytona out of the case on discount.

[CarlOver]

To OP. Sounds like you don’t have a great relationship with that SA. Might not be easy to get another SA at the same AD. Maybe look elsewhere. You really want all or any of the hype watches? So do so many others. If that’s what you want then you should ask for just that. I think that is making it difficult for you to get what you asked for.