Thread on Dropping Prices

[SeattlePNWguy]

Hi all - First, as a long-time reader, occasional poster, just want to say that I appreciate the time everyone spends providing useful commentary on the boards.

Second, there was a recent thread that discussed the price drops we're seeing in the grey market. I can't find it on the general discussion board anymore. Was it removed by the moderators for some reason? If so, I'd love an explanation for why one of the most helpful, informative threads I've read in a long time on here was expunged. Forgive me if I'm just not seeing the thread for some reason, and it remains active.

Thanks all!

[JadeRaven]

Probably deleted or moved bc of lots of repeat posts on the subject.

[AbeFroman]

It was removed by the mods

[herts9]

Watches should be about enjoyment of the capabilities, aesthetics, technology, engineering, history and nuance between models.

Not market speculation and financials.

[dmash]

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about actual market prices and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values. Gave the consumer a more accurate depiction of the current market scenario revolving around Rolex, not simply an asking price of a dealer which it will never sell for.

[GolfJunkie]

I enjoyed reading it as well and noticed it was gone from the General Rolex Discussion forum this morning.

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business from being discussed directly.

[Porkbelli]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about market and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values.

Agree

[JWillard]

Cant talk about falling prices, not sure what the big deal is, people should know if they are getting a deal or over paying for a watch but just my view on the matter. I notice a pledge member complained then the thread vanish.

[Porkbelli]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business being discussed directly.

That's my suspicion.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

I enjoyed reading it as well and noticed it was gone from the General Rolex Discussion forum this morning.

My guess is it was removed because some of the forums "Trusted Sellers" were brought into the conversation. Doesn't make it right or wrong but I think the Mods are just trying to protect any certain individual or business from being discussed directly.

Was anybody talking negative about them aside from just the values being absurdly high in relation to rest of the market? I’m pretty sure TRF mods aren’t trying to censor a discussion like that, as it would be akin to letting somebody pay TRF to not allow any conversation about their business model. That’s not really an open forum and TRF has never been like that in my experience, they actually encourage discussion as long as it’s respectful.

Perhaps somebody got personal? Regardless, I wish they simply deleted the sole offenders post instead of the entire thread.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by dmash

I was curious as well as to what rule was broken. It was informative about actual market prices and relaying actual prices, not speculating about future values. Gave the consumer a more accurate depiction of the current market scenario revolving around Rolex, not simply an asking price of a dealer which it will never sell for.

it's a shame it was closed. it was an interesting discussion on economics/global markets in general and not just watch prices, besides a few people making nasty comments about some trusted sellers. maybe it can be reopened with some kind of warning

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by dmash

Was anybody talking negative about them aside from just the values being absurdly high in relation to rest of the market? I’m pretty sure TRF mods aren’t trying to censor a discussion like that, as it would be akin to letting somebody pay TRF to not allow any conversation about their business model. That’s not really an open forum and TRF has never been like that in my experience, they actually encourage discussion as long as it’s respectful.

Perhaps somebody got personal? Regardless, I wish they simply deleted the sole offenders post instead of the entire thread.

No idea on the reasoning and I can't speak on behalf of the Mods on why that thread was closed.

But I've noticed over the last month or so, that if any specific dealer gets brought up in a thread discussing price, that thread gets shut down rather quickly. Who knows though...?

[dmash]

Originally Posted by huncho

it's a shame it was closed. it was an interesting discussion on economics/global markets in general and not just watch prices, besides a few people making nasty comments about some trusted sellers

Yeah I definitely enjoyed some market (all of them) discussion with yourself and others. Perhaps with mods permission we can get another one going? I did enjoy that banter with other members and feel a lot of others did as well.

Somebody made nasty comments though? I must have missed them

[Tools]

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

[temporarychicken]

I don't think it's the subject matter per se, rather that arguments were taking place within specific threads.

Pricing and availability can be contentious topics for some, sadly....

[dmash]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

It was deleted early this AM. It was close to 20 pages long and title included ‘prices slump’. I’ll PM you a direct link.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

This thread.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=862189

[awu]

I was wondering where it went, I enjoy the posts about pricing as do many others as it's one of the few threads that get to 15+ pages.

[MiloDiThernan]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

It’s happening…

That was the name of the thread.

You look long established here. 43,000+ posts.

Funny you missed it.

[JWillard]

Originally Posted by dmash

Yeah I definitely enjoyed some market (all of them) discussion with yourself and others. Perhaps with mods permission we can get another one going? I did enjoy that banter with other members and feel a lot of others did as well.

Somebody made nasty comments though? I must have missed them

Any thread will have a nasty comment or two but not sure why those who disagree cant just move on to another thread and let those who want to have a conversation have one. I do miss all China will save everything comments.

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I just did a quick search on dropping prices and see no fewer than a dozen threads on the subject.

Larry, I truly appreciate your knowledge and contribution to the forums but you can't be completely naïve to the specific thread that is being discussed here.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by MiloDiThernan

It’s happening…

That was the name of the thread.

You look long established here. 43,000+ posts.

Funny you missed it.

That’s not the correct thread from this morning. That one was a few weeks ago.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by herts9

Watches should be about enjoyment of the capabilities, aesthetics, technology, engineering, history and nuance between models.

Not market speculation and financials.

All the things happening around us in the world no matter where you live is impacting luxury goods of all kinds. I thought the thread was very constructive and there was some great discussion/information in it. Like it or not current situations are going to be discussed along with the watches. I don't see what the big deal is in that.

[johnwigan]

This board is funded by flipper/grey dealers so posts about falling prices are deleted/moved/locked. Falling prices are great for watch enthusiasts but bad for grey dealers. Therefore, those threads are disappeared. Use you own brain.and you will be ok. What is happening is clear.

[JWillard]

Originally Posted by Mxrider447

And for the people that say I don't have grammar or know how to spell. I realize some of the words were misinterpreted by my voice texting like where it says the word banned....band instead of banned. So I don't need to be told that I'm illiterate. I'm just saying really sad state of affairs on here that any free discussion is controlled by the few

I think i win how to slaughter grammar. <=== See

[28mm]

Originally Posted by Mxrider447

The reason is this forum is not free speech but slanted one sided third world nazi style controlled..... It sucks. I read this for him everyday and really enjoy it. But when I posted a picture of all my incomings just because one particular watch was a Donald Trump model. They repeatedly deleted the thread even having people that were condescending as far as going to say in before the lock and just snickering about it pure rudeness. It sucks because 99% of the people on here really want to have a discussion, but for whatever reason this is far from a free speech form. Not even things that should be controversial and your band. It's really sad. Just a picture of our world in a nutshell where the few control the majority and anything that's outside of what the thought police want. You are demonized and deleted as if you never existed. Just really really sad

Wow. Just wow.

I happily reported the thread in question and if I were a Moderator I would have done the same thing and deleted it. Not all members agree but when do we really ever?

The patience of the Moderators was amazing but the thread was a never ending tickertape and so offputting to the spirit of this site as well as the rules.

This thread should go to the same place!

[Tools]

That thread devolved into advertising/soliciting, both for watches for sale elsewhere, and soliciting for other forums and sites. It also became argumentative and was riddled with Forum bashing.

A few with an agenda screwed the pooch for everybody

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by Tools

That thread devolved into advertising/soliciting, both for watches for sale elsewhere, and soliciting for other forums and sites. It also became argumentative and was riddled with Forum bashing.

A few with an agenda screwed the pooch for everybody

Figured as such. Thank you for the clarification

[thekman]

Will have to respectfully disagree about soliciting. The thread for the most past was very constructive and most people were having a rather civil discussion. No one was soliciting for sales elsewhere because simply the other platform that was mentioned was free platform where no one would benefit from referring another member there. It was just being used as an example of how prices were very different between TRF and the "real world". I appreciate the mods time and effort but having one thread where people discuss the market of an item they pay thousands of dollars for does not feel like a lot to ask for.

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by johnwigan

This board is funded by flipper/grey dealers so posts about falling prices are deleted/moved/locked. Falling prices are great for watch enthusiasts but bad for grey dealers. Therefore, those threads are disappeared. Use you own brain.and you will be ok. What is happening is clear.

Exactly. I don’t recall even one high-traffic thread being locked when the discussion was about prices to the moon.

I think as long as we track the market and keep names of sponsored dealers out the thread, that might work.