Would you trade a 5712 for FPJ Chronometre Bleu?

[rolexpatek363]

I have owned a 5712 1A since 2011, and it's still one of my favourites, but I also have a long-held wish for an FPJ CB.

What would you do?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

I have owned a 5712 1A since 2011, and it's still one of my favourites, but I also have a long-held wish for an FPJ CB.

What would you do?

Keep the 5712.

[WatchEater666]

The FPJ CB is nice but I'd way rather have a 5712.

[Ichiran]

I would sell the 5712 and buy an artisanal watch at less consideration from the likes of Sylvain Pinaud, Simon Brette, Petermann Bedat, Kari Voutilainen and Romain Gauthier, amongst others. I'm just not a big fan of the CB.

[ap1]

I totally understand getting bored and thinking about the next great acquisition. But nautilus are so hard to buy so I’d hold here. I owned a CB before the hype and it’s long gone. I don’t think about it for a second, other than all the gains I left on the table.

[Encepholopod]

As a fellow 5712 owner who has stainless and rose gold...keep it, but im bias!

[ChetBaker]

I would but with chunk of cash your way

[jed11]

Keep the Patek in this scenario.


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[enjoythemusic]

Keep Both.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[vitalsigns]

I wouldn't. The CB is nice, but not that nice.

Or if you ditch the 5712, then I'd do what Ichiran suggested above and get a truly special piece from an Independent.

[APhound]

I’d rather have the journe. I have fpj and nautilus.


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[BendyBee]

I have the CB and will not trade it for the 5712. To me, CB is much more interesting and unique. Plus, there are many more 5712 around. IMHO

[JR16]

I own both, love both, but would not trade the 5712 for the bleu.


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[Pw92676]

You say that 5712 is one of your favorites. Is there anything else you can move to get the FPJ?

[GB-man]

Normally it’s a yes but a watch you’ve had for 13 years gives me pause.

[INC]

No.

[dchang81]

5712a is in my top 5 for favorite watches period. CB is amazing but yea for you to give up a watch you've managed to hold onto for 13 years seems like it could be loaded with regret.

[dmottley]

I would keep the Patek, but the small 7 and 8 on the FPJ bother me.

[llngoc]

If it is one of your favorites and it is getting wrist time, why would you want to trade it? I would only get rid of pieces which are not getting wrist time. No matter how great the "next" thing is. You are not going to trade your wife who you loved dearly for another woman; would you? ;-)

I am a FPJ fanboy but it sounds like you will regret the trade when the newness wears off the CB.

[magicman]

I love my CB and would not trade it for a Nautilus, but based on how you described your Nautilus I don't think you should trade it. Enjoy it for as long as you want, and find another way to get the FPJ.

[RobHK]

Originally Posted by JR16

I own both, love both, but would not trade the 5712 for the bleu.


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Most unbiased answer right here

[rolexpatek363]

Thanks, gents, very much for all the answers, food for thought.

I bought the 5712 from new at a time when nobody seemed to want them, and so I was able to negotiate a small discount. I'm not a watch flipper or speculator (I only wish I had the money to be one!), and so I only buy watches that I really like. I had no idea that what has happened would happen.

For the first few years everything was great, nobody knew what it was and I enjoyed wearing it quite a lot without attracting any attention at all. But ever since the hype over the past two or three years, it feels like I'm wearing a huge beacon of wealth on my wrist, and that makes me feel uncomfortable as it's not the image I want to project, and there's also the slight fear of street robbery. if a professional boxer can get robbed, anyone can.

The only other way I could realistically afford to get the CB would be to sell my FPJ Octa Automatique, which I very luckily found in a shop s/h in 2016 at what seems today to be a bargain price. But I love that watch even more than the 5712, and nobody seems to recognise it, so the idea of selling it seems ridiculous.

Despite my ludicrous (by most people's standards) watch collection, I am really not a particularly wealthy person by the standards of this forum, and otherwise I live reasonably frugally. I drive a 1993 W124, for example.

There are currently 11 CBs on C24 and 213 5712s. They are going for pretty much the same money. If I sold my three old-school steel Rolexes (16610; 5513; 114300), that wouldn't raise half the asking price.

Is a CB less recognisable than a Nautilus? I suppose that is the real question...

[Moondoggy]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

I would but with chunk of cash your way

Agree

[RyanO]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Thanks, gents, very much for all the answers, food for thought.

I bought the 5712 from new at a time when nobody seemed to want them, and so I was able to negotiate a small discount. I'm not a watch flipper or speculator (I only wish I had the money to be one!), and so I only buy watches that I really like. I had no idea that what has happened would happen.

For the first few years everything was great, nobody knew what it was and I enjoyed wearing it quite a lot without attracting any attention at all. But ever since the hype over the past two or three years, it feels like I'm wearing a huge beacon of wealth on my wrist, and that makes me feel uncomfortable as it's not the image I want to project, and there's also the slight fear of street robbery. if a professional boxer can get robbed, anyone can.

The only other way I could realistically afford to get the CB would be to sell my FPJ Octa Automatique, which I very luckily found in a shop s/h in 2016 at what seems today to be a bargain price. But I love that watch even more than the 5712, and nobody seems to recognise it, so the idea of selling it seems ridiculous.

Despite my ludicrous (by most people's standards) watch collection, I am really not a particularly wealthy person by the standards of this forum, and otherwise I live reasonably frugally. I drive a 1993 W124, for example.

There are currently 11 CBs on C24 and 213 5712s. They are going for pretty much the same money. If I sold my three old-school steel Rolexes (16610; 5513; 114300), that wouldn't raise half the asking price.

Is a CB less recognisable than a Nautilus? I suppose that is the real question...

Yes, the CB is far more stealth and 'under the radar' if that is most important to you. These are two icons and grail pieces with really different personalities, really a tough choice.

[1William]

I would keep the PP.

[rolexandlange]

I handled the CB at an auction showing before. It didn't leave an impression. I tried on a display 5712 at the AD and really liked it. Definitely felt it would be the nautilus I would own if ever.

[dchang81]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Thanks, gents, very much for all the answers, food for thought.

I bought the 5712 from new at a time when nobody seemed to want them, and so I was able to negotiate a small discount. I'm not a watch flipper or speculator (I only wish I had the money to be one!), and so I only buy watches that I really like. I had no idea that what has happened would happen.

For the first few years everything was great, nobody knew what it was and I enjoyed wearing it quite a lot without attracting any attention at all. But ever since the hype over the past two or three years, it feels like I'm wearing a huge beacon of wealth on my wrist, and that makes me feel uncomfortable as it's not the image I want to project, and there's also the slight fear of street robbery. if a professional boxer can get robbed, anyone can.

The only other way I could realistically afford to get the CB would be to sell my FPJ Octa Automatique, which I very luckily found in a shop s/h in 2016 at what seems today to be a bargain price. But I love that watch even more than the 5712, and nobody seems to recognise it, so the idea of selling it seems ridiculous.

Despite my ludicrous (by most people's standards) watch collection, I am really not a particularly wealthy person by the standards of this forum, and otherwise I live reasonably frugally. I drive a 1993 W124, for example.

There are currently 11 CBs on C24 and 213 5712s. They are going for pretty much the same money. If I sold my three old-school steel Rolexes (16610; 5513; 114300), that wouldn't raise half the asking price.

Is a CB less recognisable than a Nautilus? I suppose that is the real question...

Is your w124 an E500 by chance??

[crod]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Thanks, gents, very much for all the answers, food for thought.

I bought the 5712 from new at a time when nobody seemed to want them, and so I was able to negotiate a small discount. I'm not a watch flipper or speculator (I only wish I had the money to be one!), and so I only buy watches that I really like. I had no idea that what has happened would happen.

For the first few years everything was great, nobody knew what it was and I enjoyed wearing it quite a lot without attracting any attention at all. But ever since the hype over the past two or three years, it feels like I'm wearing a huge beacon of wealth on my wrist, and that makes me feel uncomfortable as it's not the image I want to project, and there's also the slight fear of street robbery. if a professional boxer can get robbed, anyone can.

The only other way I could realistically afford to get the CB would be to sell my FPJ Octa Automatique, which I very luckily found in a shop s/h in 2016 at what seems today to be a bargain price. But I love that watch even more than the 5712, and nobody seems to recognise it, so the idea of selling it seems ridiculous.

Despite my ludicrous (by most people's standards) watch collection, I am really not a particularly wealthy person by the standards of this forum, and otherwise I live reasonably frugally. I drive a 1993 W124, for example.

There are currently 11 CBs on C24 and 213 5712s. They are going for pretty much the same money. If I sold my three old-school steel Rolexes (16610; 5513; 114300), that wouldn't raise half the asking price.

Is a CB less recognisable than a Nautilus? I suppose that is the real question...

I have the 5711 and the CB and love them both, from what I understand from your post you dont like what has happened with the Nautilus line in terms of awareness, flexing etc. I feel the same way and although i still love my 5711 I tend to wear it far less than what i did 4 years ago. The CB is NOT noticeable you have to be into watches to really know what it is.
Last week for example I was travelling in Shanghai and went into the ALS boutique to try the Lange 1. i was wearing the FP QP (perpetual calendar). The Sales Associate asked me which brand was the watch and when I told him he said he had heard of it but never actually saw one.

I think the CB will give you what you are looking for better than the 5712.

[unknown]

I would do it. The Nautilus is nice but the CB is imo much more interesting

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by dchang81

Is your w124 an E500 by chance??

Haha! If only. It's a 300E 3L straight six auto, pre-facelift. It just purrs along and doesn't upset anyone. I love it. Thanks for all the additional comments, and of course more input is always welcome.

If I do decide to change, I'll post a picture of the CB.