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AndersB · 23 November 2009, 05:25 AM

Some sources say that the Bezel on the Sub (and/or Sea-Dweller) should be pushed slightly downwards in order for the bezel to turn smoohtly. Should it be the same on the GMT / GMT II (non-ceramic) or do they have a different kind of spring?

Tools · 23 November 2009, 06:01 AM

I don't think that this is true..

The Sub and GMT used to have a friction lock bezel up until the mid 80's. Those bezels needed to be pushed down to "unlock" them for rotation.

With the advent of the 120 click bezel with click wire, there is no need to press down at all...... that just won't do anything regarding the actual function. These bezels are press fit down on top of a thin flat washer.

I do find though that it is a better grip if you are pressing down while turning... but you re not really pressing the bezel down.

Armand · 23 November 2009, 06:23 AM

I love my 16710 AND my 16613 ( BLUE ).

But in the "action" of the bezel there is a WORLD of difference!!

And I do not mean unidirectional or not!!

The Sub´s bezel is "Tough" to turn!

Is this normal?

The GMT II´s is much easier ( well, the watch is from 2004, the Sub from 2009, and the Bezel hardly ever turned )??

( but the two directions are a little different in "feel" ??? )

Hermann

AndersB · 23 November 2009, 06:30 AM

Thanks Tools. Always appreciated.
Interesting questions raised by Armand.

AndersB · 23 November 2009, 07:18 AM

On a similar point (similar to that raised by Armand) - my AD tightened the bezel spring the other day, because apparently the bezel sat rather loose on the watch case. And now the bezel is a bit hard to turn. Any ideas if that could damage or wear out the inside "teeth" of the bezel?

rkammer · 23 November 2009, 07:30 AM

I have read on this forum and have also been told by an AD that the Sea Dweller and the Sub bezels turn differently. The Sub will turn with just rotational pressure but the SD bezel must be pressed down slightly in order to turn smoothly. I have verified this to be true at least on the Sub and SD I own.

jameshe · 23 November 2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rkammer

I have read on this forum and have also been told by an AD that the Sea Dweller and the Sub bezels turn differently. The Sub will turn with just rotational pressure but the SD bezel must be pressed down slightly in order to turn smoothly. I have verified this to be true at least on the Sub and SD I own.

+1! I have just gone to verify this now. Yet another 'quirky' little uniqueness which sets the SD apart from the Sub. I LOVE THIS WATCH!!

deserted · 23 November 2009, 08:19 AM

Never had to push down on my bezel it just turns when you turn it....

rkammer · 23 November 2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by deserted

Never had to push down on my bezel it just turns when you turn it....

You have a TT Sub and not a Sea Dweller, right?

sleddog · 23 November 2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rkammer

I have read on this forum and have also been told by an AD that the Sea Dweller and the Sub bezels turn differently. The Sub will turn with just rotational pressure but the SD bezel must be pressed down slightly in order to turn smoothly. I have verified this to be true at least on the Sub and SD I own.

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Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

+1! I have just gone to verify this now. Yet another 'quirky' little uniqueness which sets the SD apart from the Sub. I LOVE THIS WATCH!!

Guys,I have both and do not need to put any downward pressure on my SD to turn the bezel...I've had 2(an F and Z) and neither required this.....!

sleddog · 23 November 2009, 08:34 AM

Unless your talking about the DSSD!!!

rkammer · 23 November 2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sleddog1000

Guys,I have both and do not need to put any downward pressure on my SD to turn the bezel...I've had 2(an F and Z) and neither required this.....!

Hmmm, now we have a variable to think about. I wonder if it has to do with the adjustment of the bezel tension spring?

Do we have any expert watchmakers lurking around today?

Alsey · 23 November 2009, 05:10 PM

My SD doesn't need to be pressed down, however I do find it seems easier if I press down some but I think thats because I have a better grip on it.

Note: I don't turn it while on my wrist, this is while I'm holding it and I rotate with both thumbs opposing eachother.....it's nice and smooth.

scottjal · 23 November 2009, 10:26 PM

I have always thought it was true, all the non C bezels have a bit of a friction lock on them and rotate easier when pushed in, this includes the turn o graphs. When it is sitting there the bezel is caught between the spring and the case, pushing it down pushes it away from the case so you are only fighting friction of one thing not two.

The C has nothing to push in and doesn't really move at all near as I can tell.

23 November 2009, 05:25 AM	#1
AndersB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 603	Turning the bezel Some sources say that the Bezel on the Sub (and/or Sea-Dweller) should be pushed slightly downwards in order for the bezel to turn smoohtly. Should it be the same on the GMT / GMT II (non-ceramic) or do they have a different kind of spring?

23 November 2009, 06:01 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,495	I don't think that this is true.. The Sub and GMT used to have a friction lock bezel up until the mid 80's. Those bezels needed to be pushed down to "unlock" them for rotation. With the advent of the 120 click bezel with click wire, there is no need to press down at all...... that just won't do anything regarding the actual function. These bezels are press fit down on top of a thin flat washer. I do find though that it is a better grip if you are pressing down while turning... but you re not really pressing the bezel down. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

23 November 2009, 07:30 AM	#6
rkammer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 440	Subs and SDs are different I have read on this forum and have also been told by an AD that the Sea Dweller and the Sub bezels turn differently. The Sub will turn with just rotational pressure but the SD bezel must be pressed down slightly in order to turn smoothly. I have verified this to be true at least on the Sub and SD I own. __________________ Regards, Ray K.

23 November 2009, 08:34 AM	#11
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,930	Unless your talking about the DSSD!!! __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

23 November 2009, 10:26 PM	#14
scottjal "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Scott Location: SC Watch: GMT II Posts: 464	I have always thought it was true, all the non C bezels have a bit of a friction lock on them and rotate easier when pushed in, this includes the turn o graphs. When it is sitting there the bezel is caught between the spring and the case, pushing it down pushes it away from the case so you are only fighting friction of one thing not two. The C has nothing to push in and doesn't really move at all near as I can tell. __________________ sj

23 November 2009, 06:23 AM	#3
Armand Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Hermann Location: Middle of Europe Watch: 16710/3185 16613 B Posts: 413	I love my 16710 AND my 16613 ( BLUE ). But in the "action" of the bezel there is a WORLD of difference!! And I do not mean unidirectional or not!! The Sub´s bezel is "Tough" to turn! Is this normal? The GMT II´s is much easier ( well, the watch is from 2004, the Sub from 2009, and the Bezel hardly ever turned )?? ( but the two directions are a little different in "feel" ??? ) Hermann

23 November 2009, 06:30 AM	#4
AndersB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 603	Thanks Tools. Always appreciated. Interesting questions raised by Armand.

23 November 2009, 07:18 AM	#5
AndersB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 603	On a similar point (similar to that raised by Armand) - my AD tightened the bezel spring the other day, because apparently the bezel sat rather loose on the watch case. And now the bezel is a bit hard to turn. Any ideas if that could damage or wear out the inside "teeth" of the bezel?

23 November 2009, 08:19 AM	#8
deserted Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: fort wayne IN Watch: Patek 1909003 Posts: 2,176	Never had to push down on my bezel it just turns when you turn it....

23 November 2009, 05:10 PM	#13
Alsey "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bangkok Watch: GMT II C Posts: 217	My SD doesn't need to be pressed down, however I do find it seems easier if I press down some but I think thats because I have a better grip on it. Note: I don't turn it while on my wrist, this is while I'm holding it and I rotate with both thumbs opposing eachother.....it's nice and smooth.

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