Fat Lady GMT Question? Help newbie

[subgmt]

hi,

I have found a 16760 fat lady that i am interested but with black bezel. I prefer the original coke.

Is black bezel correct? Should it come originally with coke bezel?
Is this the correct endlink for this watch? 558 or should it be 501?
when is the 9mil watch manufactured?
Should the dial for 9mil has oyster perpetual or oyster perpetual date?

Rolex GMT Master II 16760, 9 mil Series
Tritium Dial & Hands, Open 6 & 9 Datewheel
78360 Bracelet with 558 Endlinks

Please help a newbie

[Singslinger]

I bought a 16760 brand new from an AD in early 1987 and it came with the black/red bezel and a 9... serial number. I believe the endlink shows 501 (I'm not 100% sure though, I'll check and post again tomorrow) and my dial states "Oyster Perpetual Date''.

Hope this helps.

[sakuraba]

Does it come with its warranty papers? Not really important, but the papers would indicate the bezel it came with in the model number code.

I believe the black bezel was available with the 16760.

[Tools]

The 16760 only came with the black/red insert......

[subgmt]

Originally Posted by sakuraba

Does it come with its warranty papers? Not really important, but the papers would indicate the bezel it came with in the model number code.

I believe the black bezel was available with the 16760.

No papers and box. but it has a glossy dial and white gold markers with tritium. i just want to confirm if the end links are 501 or 558. Should the 16760 come with 78360 bracelet? There is also the 501B endlink? any difference from 501? Geezzz....i am confused.

[mike]

Here you go.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by mike

Here you go.

So as someone who is also researching the Fat Lady, this sheet is helpful but not entirely so.

If I look here, there seem to be two possible bracelets that Rolex thought should go on this watch, but it doesn't say which would be OEM.

Is it safe to presume the one with the special fliplock clasp would have been standard?

B93150008 = #593 ends + special fliplock clasp for 16760
B78360008 = #501 ends (no other notes)

(trailing "8" seems to be common to both bracelet SKUs and unique to the correct choices for the 16550 and 16760)


It occurs to me that any other endlink # means the bracelet is probably from a 16760 and is -not- the appropriate one.

Can someone who knows more please confirm/deny?

[brigadoonb]

I have 593 endlinks on mine and the fat lady only came with the black/red bezel

[mike]

Originally Posted by TheDude

So as someone who is also researching the Fat Lady, this sheet is helpful but not entirely so.

If I look here, there seem to be two possible bracelets that Rolex thought should go on this watch, but it doesn't say which would be OEM.

Is it safe to presume the one with the special fliplock clasp would have been standard?

B93150008 = #593 ends + special fliplock clasp for 16760
B78360008 = #501 ends (no other notes)

(trailing "8" seems to be common to both bracelet SKUs and unique to the correct choices for the 16550 and 16760)


It occurs to me that any other endlink # means the bracelet is probably from a 16760 and is -not- the appropriate one.

Can someone who knows more please confirm/deny?

Well, no. I would not assume the 93150 was the standard OEM bracelet if I understand you to mean it was the one the 16760 came with from the factory.

Over the years I've had three examples (including the one I currently have) and all came from the mother ship with the 78360 bracelet/501s.

Some collectors will say that is the original bracelet as it left the factory. Like everything Rolex there is always that grey area. There have been those that swear their 16760 was born with the 93150, but as the bracelet is/was considered an "acceptable option"--words used by those in the know, one can only wonder if the watch might have been ordered that way or perhaps changed at the dealership at the buyer's request.

Either way the 93150 is correct for the Fat-Lady.

[TheDude]

This photo is interesting. It clearly shows the green warranty jacket that is printed with the head+bracelet combo.

[sakuraba]

Originally Posted by sakuraba

I believe the black bezel was available with the 16760.

Sorry for the wrong info.
Still learning the game.

[axecollector65]

I saw a 16760 Fat Lady for sale on eBay with no "Swiss Made or <25" on the dial. Did Rolex ever make this dial?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[springer]

Originally Posted by axecollector65

I saw a 16760 Fat Lady for sale on eBay with no "Swiss Made or <25" on the dial. Did Rolex ever make this dial?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Not on a fat lady, they were tritium.

[springer]

The fat lady came with the red/black bezel insert when new, but they are easily changed. The bands were 78360 or 93150. Mine came with the fliplock 93150 which is coded on the warranty paper model number (it should read 9315 in part of the model number).

I have an 83XXXXX serial number and the dial reads Oyster Perpetual Date. A "9" prefix serial number should also read the same on the dial. Only the very early ones were missing the word "Date" on the dial. Personally, I doubt they were made without the 'Date" verbiage more than the first year of production.

The pics below are of my 16760, taken after it was purchased. The original owner had it serviced by a watchmaker a few months before my purchase and the only item he replaced was the bezel insert, which is after market. The original red/black insert was a little scratched so and I have since replaced it with a new red/black insert.

Also, if you look at the side of the clasp, notice the square indentation, found on the bottom right side, which was found on the early 93150 clasps.

[springer]

Originally Posted by mike

Well, no. I would not assume the 93150 was the standard OEM bracelet if I understand you to mean it was the one the 16760 came with from the factory.

Over the years I've had three examples (including the one I currently have) and all came from the mother ship with the 78360 bracelet/501s.

Some collectors will say that is the original bracelet as it left the factory. Like everything Rolex there is always that grey area. There have been those that swear their 16760 was born with the 93150, but as the bracelet is/was considered an "acceptable option"--words used by those in the know, one can only wonder if the watch might have been ordered that way or perhaps changed at the dealership at the buyer's request.

Either way the 93150 is correct for the Fat-Lady.

As Mike noted, the fat lady and other other GMT's came with 93150's, 78360's or even the Jubilee bands from the factory. I've seen several fat lady's coded with a 93150 band on the warranty paper and the sleeve. The fat lady also could have come with the 78360 band from the factory. One thing I have not observed is a 16760 with paperwork coded for the Jubilee band. I think if you look at my photos posted here, you can clearly see the 9315 coding on the sleeve and the warranty paper which indicates the 93150 band.

[axecollector65]

Originally Posted by springer

Not on a fat lady, they were tritium.

Does this mean the dial is not original? If so, do you think this is something that could have been swapped during service or is this a fake?

[springer]

Looks like that dial is not original and a re-dial. It has no markings at the bottom. I posted this in the watchout section. This is listed by Hess Fine Auctions on ebay.