Extraordinary-Rolex-Red-Dial-1680-1570-Submariner (eBay Seller kochkeydia58) - Fraud?

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Was reading this thread (https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=298366), and after doing a little searching, and coming up with this, thought I would post here, for others to weigh in on, and get this ended if in fact it is fraudulent, before someone gets hurt....read the above thread, for more info....

While the pics are gone (and the seller could have lifted the pics from elsewhere), the verbiage of this listing (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extraordinar...item460fc11772) seems to have been taken from here (Starting with the "COMPLETE!FINE & ULTRA RARE!Collector's Condition" statement, noting the "Slate Grey" bezel comment along with the aforementioned "1969" date comment in BOTH listings.....)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-1680-R...p2047675.l2557



----------- Copied from ended listing of philippeswatches (link above) ---------------


ROLEX
VINTAGE 1969 Red Submariner 1680
2.79xxxx Case series!
COMPLETE!
FINE & ULTRA RARE!
Collector's Condition


Brand Name: Rolex
Style Number: 1680
Also Called: Vintage Red Submariner, Red Sub, Feet first
Series: Submariner w/ Date
Style (Gender): Mens
Case Material: Stainless Steel
Dial Color: Black
Movement: Automatic
Engine: M. Cal. 1570, rhodium plated, oeil-de-perdrix decoration, 26 jewels, straight-line lever escapement, monometallic balance adjusted to temperatures and 5 positions, shock absorber, self-compensating free-sprung Breguet balance spring, Microstella regulating screws. Dial, case and movement signed.
Functions: Hours, Minutes, Seconds, date at 3
Crystal Material: Plastic Crystal - w/ Cyclops lens
Case Diameter: 40.0 mm
Caseback: Stainless Steel w/ Engraving
Bezel Material: Gorgeous Slate Grey, aged to perfection
Bezel Function: Rotating
Water Resistance: Vintage pieces no longer guaranteed waterproof
Crown Material: Steel



Power Reserve: 36-hour power reserve
Watch Bracelet / Strap Material: Stainless Steel
Watch Clasp Material: Folding Clasp
Additional Info: Red Submariner Rolex, "Oyster Perpetual Date, Submariner, 660 ft./200 m., Superlative Chronometer, Officially Certified", Ref. 1680. Made in 1969. Fine and rare, center seconds, self-winding, water-resistant, stainless steel wristwatch with red "Submariner" dial, date and a stainless steel Rolex Fliplock Oyster bracelet. Three-body, polished and brushed, screwed-down case back and crown, graduated bidirectional revolving black bezel for the decompression times, Twinlock winding crown protected by the crown guard, crystal with Cyclops lens. Black with "Submariner" in red letters, luminous round, triangular and baton indexes, outer minute/seconds divisions, aperture for the date. Luminous steel skeleton hands. M. Cal. 1570, rhodium-plated, oeil-de-perdrix decoration, 26 jewels, straight-line lever escapement, monometallic balance adjusted to temperatures and 5 positions, shock absorber, self-compensating free-sprung Breguet balance spring, Microstella regulating screws, hack mechanism. Dial, case and movement signed. Diam. 40 mm. Thickness 14 mm.

All we can say is WOW! It is SO rare that we ever come across a vintage Submariner in this type of condition. This is a true collectors piece and comes with the inner and outer original box, hang tags, instruction manuals, guarantee/certificate of authenticity, chronometer certificate, Rolex wallet to house the documents, and EVERYTHING pictured. Best piece on ebay!

This vintage 1680 Red Sub features a Mark IV (Open “6” Feet First) dial with a beautiful creamy even patina and a faded FAT FONT bezel insert that has turned a gorgeous "slate grey" and really compliments the dial. If you have any questions, feel free to email or call us.


---------- Copied from listing in question - seller kockkeydia58 - potentially fraudulent listing -----------

ROLEX VINTAGE Red Dial 1680 1570 Submariner COMPLETE!FINE & ULTRA RARE!Collector's Condition

Brand Name: Rolex
Style Number: 1680
Also Called: Vintage Red Submariner, Red Sub, Feet first
Series: Submariner w/ Date
Style (Gender): Mens
Case Material: Stainless Steel
Dial Color: Black
Movement: Automatic
Engine: M. Cal. 1570, rhodium plated, oeil-de-perdrix decoration, 26 jewels, straight-line lever escapement, monometallic balance adjusted to temperatures and 5 positions, shock absorber, self-compensating free-sprung Breguet balance spring, Microstella regulating screws. Dial, case and movement signed.
Functions: Hours, Minutes, Seconds, date at 3
Crystal Material: Plastic Crystal - w/ Cyclops lens
Case Diameter: 40.0 mm
Caseback: Stainless Steel w/ Engraving
Bezel Material: Gorgeous Slate Grey, aged to perfection
Bezel Function: Rotating
Water Resistance: Vintage pieces no longer guaranteed waterproof
Crown Material: Steel



Power Reserve: 36-hour power reserve
Watch Bracelet / Strap Material: Stainless Steel
Watch Clasp Material: Folding Clasp
Additional Info: Red Submariner Rolex, "Oyster Perpetual Date, Submariner, 660 ft./200 m., Superlative Chronometer, Officially Certified", Ref. 1680. Made in 1969. Fine and rare, center seconds, self-winding, water-resistant, stainless steel wristwatch with red "Submariner" dial, date and a stainless steel Rolex Fliplock Oyster bracelet. Three-body, polished and brushed, screwed-down case back and crown, graduated bidirectional revolving black bezel for the decompression times, Twinlock winding crown protected by the crown guard, crystal with Cyclops lens. Black with "Submariner" in red letters, luminous round, triangular and baton indexes, outer minute/seconds divisions, aperture for the date. Luminous steel skeleton hands. M. Cal. 1570, rhodium-plated, oeil-de-perdrix decoration, 26 jewels, straight-line lever escapement, monometallic balance adjusted to temperatures and 5 positions, shock absorber, self-compensating free-sprung Breguet balance spring, Microstella regulating screws, hack mechanism. Dial, case and movement signed. Diam. 40 mm. Thickness 14 mm.

This is a true collectors piece and comes with the inner and outer original box, hang tags, instruction manuals, guarantee/certificate of authenticity, chronometer certificate, Rolex wallet to house the documents, and EVERYTHING pictured. Best piece on ebay!

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