Jewel Cap Spring Clips

[Darlinboy]

[mikie1]

WowEE

[mikie1]

How can I be sure that the balance is properly installed?

[shofzr]

Originally Posted by mikie1

Sorry I mean what keeps them together prior to oiling on the work table? And my oiler id just a needle.

Use a tweezer in one hand to hold the hole jewel in place in top of the cap jewel, while you put the oil in place with the oiler (needle) in the other hand.


If the balance staff Is not installed correct the balance wheel will not turn free.

Don't use any force when installing the balance wheel, it should just fall into place.


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[mikie1]

Thanks....still waiting to install screw for crown wheel.
Turns free but is it in the proper slot in the pallet.

[shofzr]

Originally Posted by mikie1

Thanks....still waiting to install screw for crown wheel.
Turns free but is it in the proper slot in the pallet.

Look to see if the pallet fork is moving back and forth with the balance wheel.

I'm guessing you have it correct because if you don't it would not turn free.... Unless your roller jewel is missing.


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[mikie1]

removed balance.

[mikie1]

Everything good except install of balance wheel. How to see if the jewel is in the fork?
How far should the wheel be able to turn if wheel jewel is in fork?

[mikie1]

OK The fork is moving back and forth when I move the wheel but can't get it to run tick tock.

Originally Posted by shofzr

Look to see if the pallet fork is moving back and forth with the balance wheel.

I'm guessing you have it correct because if you don't it would not turn free.... Unless your roller jewel is missing.


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[CrownMe]

so cool to see how these wonderful watches work. Must take some serious patience to work on them.

[mikie1]

Oh Boy

[mikie1]

Is anything missing no tick tock

Originally Posted by mikie1

OK The fork is moving back and forth when I move the wheel but can't get it to run tick tock.

[R.W.T.]

We have issues here. Your hairspring is so far out of center that I don't think it will run. The tabs on the kif spring are not under the ledge.

[mikie1]

Anything missing?

[mikie1]

Must have knocked the spring off the jewel when cleaning with putty/ Still looking at hairspring. Fork still moves when I turn wheel.Spring centered. Hope spring attached?

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

We have issues here. Your hairspring is so far out of center that I don't think it will run. The tabs on the kif spring are not under the ledge.

[R.W.T.]

You need to find a picture of a 3035 balance out of the watch.

Then take yours back out of the watch and off the bridge and see how the overcoil has been distorted. Likely when someone pulled the bridge the balance stayed in the watch and the tail of the overcoil was bent out substantially. Now it remains thus and when you put it in the stud and place the balance back in the watch the spring is all pushed over toward the escape wheel side. The coils when the balance is in proper place should be concentric...in other words the gaps between the coils should be the same at all points of the circle basically. It's hard to explain but that is the best I can do. If you look now you see that the coils closest to the stud are almost touching and opposite of that they are very widely spaced. This is not correct. The stud is no longer where it is supposed to be.

You will have to straighten this out before you can go much further. It is very delicate work.

Also it must be perfectly level and parallel to the plane of the balance wheel itself. If the stud is not also straight when you put it in the stud holder it will hike up one side of the spring or push it down opposite of the stud. Then it must also not be "coned" if the stud is too high in the stud holder. Also if is too high the overcoil will rub the underside of the bridge and it will not work.

Are you working with a loupe? Look closer you will see these things.

[mikie1]

Yes use loops.Spring is detached but still attached to wheel.. trying to determine if just pulled out or broken. Don't see any peaces broken off. I'm very grateful for your help.

[mikie1]

or just came out?

[R.W.T.]

Oh this is tres mal...very bad. You have no stud. It's stuck in the stud holder on the bridge and now the spring is broken.

It could be straightened out and the stud re attached possibly but it will be slightly shorter and the balance will have to be "slowed" and you may not have enough room on the timing screws.

This is delicate work. You would be better to buy a balance or get a local watchmaker to try and help reattach the stud....that could be tough to get someone to do.

[mikie1]

How long is the bent portion of spring? Do you have a picture?
are you sure? The holder has no piece of spring. Could the spring just pulled out?

[mikie1]

Bent spring

[R.W.T.]

Yup better photo. Spring is pulled out of stud. You need a stud pin.

Pinning a stud is not THAT difficult but I'd rather have the spring right first.

The spring has a very specific bend to it. You almost need one to look at to copy.

If I were going to pin that stud...I'd put the stud back in the bridge and lay it on it's top side down. I'd turn the balance upside down and thread that little tab of the spring through the slot in the stud and then pin it.

Either way you are going to have to get that overcoil properly curved and leveled. The rest of the spring looks pretty okay from the photos. They are very easy to mess up so you are ahead of the game...try not to go backwards. Seriously if there is someone you know near you that is a watchmaker of any sorts you would do well to visit them to see if they can't help you get this right. This is not really the type of thing one does initially.

[mikie1]

What pin is missing?

[mikie1]

Pin?

[R.W.T.]

No, that is the stud screw. That holds the stud in the balance bridge or technically because it's one sided, balance cock. The spring goes through the stud and is held in place by a wedge pin. At least it is on older springs. I've actually never looked closely at a later spring to see. But it must be held in place by some mechanical means or some type of adhesive. Maybe someone who deals with more modern pieces on a regular basis could chime in here. I've serviced a bunch of 3035's but I've never run into a loose stud so I can't be sure how it is held in place on the spring.

[mikie1]

white filler? holding wire spring

[R.W.T.]

As I said I'm not certain how the spring is attached to the stud on the later models. Traditionally it is "pinnned" with a wedge pin.

Either they are cemented in now or someone has cemented it in when it came loose before and that has now also "let go".

Obviously the hole is somewhat larger if the fill or cement is removed than the flat of the spring. It is imperative that the stud be situated straight.

You could try slipping the stud back on to the spring and then adding some strong adhesive like a gap filling super glue but a very strong type.

Without having it in my hand I can't really see how large the opening is. If it were mine I would try to find an unmolested balance and see how they are attached presently before proceeding. Then you know if it was originally cemented or pinned traditionally.

[R.W.T.]

I borrowed this from a sale on Ebay.

You can see how the overcoil is to be aligned when you are finished.

Note the position of the overcoil all the way around.

[mikie1]

Thank you for the help. Do you think that the small bend end on mine is to insert into the stud?

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

I borrowed this from a sale on Ebay.

You can see how the overcoil is to be aligned when you are finished.

Note the position of the overcoil all the way around.

[R.W.T.]

The little bend ad the very end? Yes I think so.