5.5 serial 1675 insert...

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Is the insert period correct?

Thank you

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And this

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Need some expert help.

[TimeToGo]

What is the color of the back?

[springer]

If it is a red back it could be correct. Hard to tell from the fuzzy photos.

Here is a 1675 dial thread.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...highlight=1675

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

What is the color of the back?

I don't know how to remove the insert.
If it's easy, I'll give it a try.

Is the dial period correct for the watch?

[TimeToGo]

[QUOTE=clock;5303003]I don't know how to remove the insert.
If it's easy, I'll give it a try.

If it is a 5.5 serial, the dial does not appear to be proper.

Can you post a better picture?

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[QUOTE=TimeToGo;5303047]

Originally Posted by clock

I don't know how to remove the insert.
If it's easy, I'll give it a try.

If it is a 5.5 serial, the dial does not appear to be proper.

Can you post a better picture?

Yes, pics tomorrow. Appreciate the help!

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These should be better.

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From a Sticky by Orchi.
Seems my dial is a Mark 4.

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Another pics from Orchi's references:

Mark IV dial is consistent with a 5.5 mil serial. How is my dial different from pics from Orchi?

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From is a reliable source?

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10156678

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5.09 serial from '77:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53958...ndrew+Milligan

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From what I'm reading a 5.5 mil dial should be from 1978, which is consistent with my 1675?

[Beaumont Miller II]

To the OP
Your dial is certainly not a mk 4 as the coronet on the mk 4 and the one on your watch are different. Your dial is a mk 2 dial commonly seen in the 2.5 to 3.5 mil serial range. The mk 2 dial has a broad base coronet and the mk 4 has a much more narrow base. In addition, check out the alignment of the text with the "E" in Rolex and the "R" in Perpetual underneath it on your dial and the mk 4 dial. Your insert with its thin font would not be correct for the dial but rather came later.

[TimeToGo]

As mentioned, your dial is a Mk-2.

Sorry can't see the details on the auction site you posted, I am not a member.

Also regarding the post on the 5.09 watch referenced on the VRF dial archive, that is also a Mk-2. But if you check the other 5.ish references, they have Mk-4 dials.

As you also referenced Orchi's write up, his thread claims that a Mk-4 would be proper for 5-6.0 mil case.

As long as your happy, that is all that matters.

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Basically, I purchased a 1675 that has an older dial for the watch and was misled by the seller?
Would most knowledgeable people here find this unacceptable?
Safe to assume the value of this watch is signicantly less having a
Case with serial of 5,5mil and an older mark II dial ?

[Beaumont Miller II]

Whether it is acceptable or not depends on how the watch was represented.

[springer]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

As mentioned, your dial is a Mk-2.

Sorry can't see the details on the auction site you posted, I am not a member.

Also regarding the post on the 5.09 watch referenced on the VRF dial archive, that is also a Mk-2. But if you check the other 5.ish references, they have Mk-4 dials.

As you also referenced Orchi's write up, his thread claims that a Mk-4 would be proper for 5-6.0 mil case.

As long as your happy, that is all that matters.

X2. When you see these dial anomalies, you have to ask is it possible, and if so, is it probable.

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Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

Whether it is acceptable or not depends on how the watch was represented.

The watch was represented as all original and period correct.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by clock

The watch was represented as all original and period correct.

Then it is misrepresented. It only matters if it matters to YOU (and is dependent on price paid also).

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by clock

The watch was represented as all original and period correct.

I would ask for a full refund then because they represented the watch incorrectly.

[jedly1]

as i told you by mail.. the dial is not consistent with the serial generally speaking , but throwbacks are possible and as such you will never be ble to PROVE definitively it is not original and will be reliant on the dealers good will to refund, rather than any PROOF is it misrepresented, i don't know who you got it off, but i'd strongly advise against going in there guns blazing.

how us anoraks look at watches is VERY different to how the by far vast majority of the watchword enjoys them , which is why its best to do the research before pushing the button if you want to do it in this world where detail matters.

For me a bigger problem would be the hands which to me look relumed. but again you wont be establishing that for fact , especially at long distance over the net in 2 dimensions.

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Originally Posted by jedly1

as i told you by mail.. the dial is not consistent with the serial generally speaking , but throwbacks are possible and as such you will never be ble to PROVE definitively it is not original and will be reliant on the dealers good will to refund, rather than any PROOF is it misrepresented, i don't know who you got it off, but i'd strongly advise against going in there guns blazing.

how us anoraks look at watches is VERY different to how the by far vast majority of the watchword enjoys them , which is why its best to do the research before pushing the button if you want to do it in this world where detail matters.

For me a bigger problem would be the hands which to me look relumed. but again you wont be establishing that for fact , especially at long distance over the net in 2 dimensions.

Are you planning a trip to the states anytime soon?
If yes, I thought we can go together, without guns.
He offers store credit, so I'll be taking a lot of pics including the serial number.

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Based on these, Mk 2 dials have been placed in '77 cases.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=240756

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...out+this+1675-

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53958...ndrew+Milligan

[jedly1]

They could have , or some could , and some could be throwbacks as per the answers you have already had ... The point is a mk 2 will never be the dial expected to be seen on a 5.5 mil serial case and will always generate a question mark .

If you want a definitive, in absolute terms , beyond doubts answer, you'll need to start collecting something else I'm afraid.

[springer]

Without re-hashing my emails to you here on the forum, you seem to be shopping for someone to confirm that the dial is correct for a 55XXXXX GMT 1675. I see you have now moved your inquiry to VRF. The Mark II dial is not considered within the range for the 55XXXXX case. While it is possible, it is not probable.

It is always best to do the homework before the purchase, not after the fact. When you first placed photos of this watch here in another thread, your concern was whether the insert was a "fat font." No serial number was given for the watch. If you had given more info on the watch in the bezel insert post, anyone here that is familiar with vintage GMTs would have been more than willing to help you.

I'm sorry for your inconvenience and misfortune, but "shopping" for someone to agree with you or the seller isn't going to change the fact that these dials normally did not come in late 1970 cases. Additionally, if the relumed hands were not disclosed to you, you need to discuss this with the seller also.

[greekbum]

You may find all kinds of dials in all kinds of cases ...BUT there is what i will call the rule i follow. If the market has accepted a range for instance on a part then its accepted and collectors generally follow this. Then there is what i call the grey area. This is an area a little outside this that say 1/100 can be verified found. Then there is the answer rolex had left over parts you never know etc answer. I like no question watches that don't need stories. If you want a 100% no questions asked all original period correct parts watch than this 1 is not that one. Keep in mind that up until maybe 7-10 years ago nobody really knew or cared much and even today less than 5% of all dealers know those answers. I got an email from you asking me these questions then i found this and the other thread. I think you got the answer already?

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Originally Posted by greekbum

You may find all kinds of dials in all kinds of cases ...BUT there is what i will call the rule i follow. If the market has accepted a range for instance on a part then its accepted and collectors generally follow this. Then there is what i call the grey area. This is an area a little outside this that say 1/100 can be verified found. Then there is the answer rolex had left over parts you never know etc answer. I like no question watches that don't need stories. If you want a 100% no questions asked all original period correct parts watch than this 1 is not that one. Keep in mind that up until maybe 7-10 years ago nobody really knew or cared much and even today less than 5% of all dealers know those answers. I got an email from you asking me these questions then i found this and the other thread. I think you got the answer already?

Succinctly stated. Thank you and John for your time. I appreciate and respect the knowledge you both have. I am also thankful for your
patience.