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saskmh · 23 August 2017, 07:47 AM

I picked up a black bay today from a reputable collector but I'm worried that he might have a knock off and not know it. The case number and serial number engravings look different than the ones I've seen online.

The watch came as a full set. Box, papers, etc. But we all know those are available from china. So I'm looking for some insight.

Is this right? Am I just being OCD? Or is this a knock off???

saskmh · 23 August 2017, 07:49 AM

stil · 23 August 2017, 07:52 AM

Need to see more of it to tell...

saskmh · 23 August 2017, 08:09 AM

I am wondering about the style of engraving. It seems a couple of early 2013/14 black bay red cases were engraved this way but I can't find a pic of a 79220N case with this type of engraving. Here are a couple of dial shots. I'll post more if needed.

uncle_paul_hargis · 23 August 2017, 08:23 AM

It seems fine to me. I'm looking at my BB right now as a reference. Model number, serial number... don't see any problems. I'm not sure what you mean by the engravings... do you just mean the text on the dial? The 79220 differs from the new Black Bays that come with the new Tudor in-house movement instead of the ETA based movements. The new models have new text, and a shield Tudor logo instead of the classic Rose logo. Again, it looks fine to me, but I'm no expert.

Old Expat Beast · 23 August 2017, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by uncle_paul_hargis

It seems fine to me. I'm looking at my BB right now as a reference. Model number, serial number... don't see any problems. I'm not sure what you mean by the engravings... do you just mean the text on the dial? The 79220 differs from the new Black Bays that come with the new Tudor in-house movement instead of the ETA based movements. The new models have new text, and a shield Tudor logo instead of the classic Rose logo. Again, it looks fine to me, but I'm no expert.

He means the numbers engraved on the case.

Polarbears · 30 August 2017, 05:56 PM

That is interesting I've seen a few like this and thought about authenticity as well. Black Bays from AD's have laser engraved serials not the stamped kind as seen above, from what I've seen. I'm not an expert but the fakes are quite good so it's hard to know.

James444 · 30 August 2017, 07:10 PM

Mine is laser engraved not stamp

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michaelodonnell123 · 30 August 2017, 07:20 PM

OP your watch looks legit to me. I compared it to my BB and it the numbers look right.

michaelodonnell123 · 30 August 2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

That is interesting I've seen a few like this and thought about authenticity as well. Black Bays from AD's have laser engraved serials not the stamped kind as seen above, from what I've seen. I'm not an expert but the fakes are quite good so it's hard to know.

Mine is exactly like the OP's and I bought it from an AD. There are two generations of the Black Bay and mine is the first gen.

sager · 30 August 2017, 07:38 PM

Looks fine to me.

Ian Macdermott · 30 August 2017, 07:48 PM

Mines the ETA version bought new from an AD and the numbers look a bit rough.

Sent by Taptalk from my phone which rather annoyingly and randomly rotates my pictures the wrong way around whenever it takes a fancy. I am sure the damn things got a mind of its own. :-(

Polarbears · 30 August 2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelodonnell123

Mine is exactly like the OP's and I bought it from an AD. There are two generations of the Black Bay and mine is the first gen.

Good to know. I've avoided a few because I thought all were laser engraved.

saskmh · 31 August 2017, 12:32 AM

Perfect. I actually ended up picking up one of each. haha

23 August 2017, 07:47 AM	#1
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	Heritage black bay experts -help! I picked up a black bay today from a reputable collector but I'm worried that he might have a knock off and not know it. The case number and serial number engravings look different than the ones I've seen online. The watch came as a full set. Box, papers, etc. But we all know those are available from china. So I'm looking for some insight. Is this right? Am I just being OCD? Or is this a knock off??? __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

23 August 2017, 07:49 AM	#2
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	__________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

23 August 2017, 08:09 AM	#4
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	I am wondering about the style of engraving. It seems a couple of early 2013/14 black bay red cases were engraved this way but I can't find a pic of a 79220N case with this type of engraving. Here are a couple of dial shots. I'll post more if needed. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

30 August 2017, 07:48 PM	#12
Ian Macdermott "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Willy.B.Banned Location: Sheol Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,721	Mines the ETA version bought new from an AD and the numbers look a bit rough. Sent by Taptalk from my phone which rather annoyingly and randomly rotates my pictures the wrong way around whenever it takes a fancy. I am sure the damn things got a mind of its own. :-( __________________ Welax no one other than wobblers muggers and sad WIS types notices your Wolex. The rest of the populace are way too busy staring at their shiny new iPhone 24s or worrying about paying the gas bill..

31 August 2017, 12:32 AM	#14
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	Perfect. I actually ended up picking up one of each. haha __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

23 August 2017, 07:52 AM	#3
stil Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: not stil Location: USA Watch: Rolex n Omega Posts: 1,327	Need to see more of it to tell...

23 August 2017, 08:23 AM	#5
uncle_paul_hargis "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 289	It seems fine to me. I'm looking at my BB right now as a reference. Model number, serial number... don't see any problems. I'm not sure what you mean by the engravings... do you just mean the text on the dial? The 79220 differs from the new Black Bays that come with the new Tudor in-house movement instead of the ETA based movements. The new models have new text, and a shield Tudor logo instead of the classic Rose logo. Again, it looks fine to me, but I'm no expert.

30 August 2017, 05:56 PM	#7
Polarbears Banned Join Date: Aug 2017 Real Name: MJ Location: NYPA Watch: 16570 Posts: 957	That is interesting I've seen a few like this and thought about authenticity as well. Black Bays from AD's have laser engraved serials not the stamped kind as seen above, from what I've seen. I'm not an expert but the fakes are quite good so it's hard to know.

30 August 2017, 07:10 PM	#8
James444 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Singapore Watch: Rolex n Tudor Posts: 507	Mine is laser engraved not stamp Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

30 August 2017, 07:20 PM	#9
michaelodonnell123 Banned Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: Michael Location: NJ Watch: Panerai 112 Posts: 1,172	OP your watch looks legit to me. I compared it to my BB and it the numbers look right.

30 August 2017, 07:38 PM	#11
sager "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Sage Location: MENA Posts: 1,563	Looks fine to me.

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