16710 with 3186 movement questions

[CRDMMW]

I’ve been looking into getting a 16710 z or m serial with a 3186 movement either coke or pepsi insert. What do the vintage masters think about this watch as good collecting piece? Do you think price will stay strong? Been seeing them listed for at least $14k. Seems high??


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[Sky21]

In my opinion, the premium that some are willing to pay now for the 3186 movement is pretty crazy. If you were able to buy the watch new back in 2007 then you got a great investment piece, now I personally would not choose it over the 3185 movement.

[CRDMMW]

Thanks for the advice!


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[Vintage12]

Matt,

It is likely a 16710-3186 will increase in value but so will a 16710-3185. I suspect the investment and price ratio will remain at 2:1 for some time. From an investment stand point your money is probably better in the stock market versus either of these two, but the tactile emotional pleasure of ownership sways our decision making. Consider that also when you are looking at the 3185 or 3186 choice. Regardless, overall condition and completeness should be a major part of your decision. Both are fine watches you should be proud of. If you do decide 3186, be safe and go for the "credit card warranty" and obvious verification of say the "crown test" or visible inspection of the movement.

A late "Z", stick/error dial 3186 coke for your motivation. Good luck!

[Old Expat Beast]

Even Explorer II 16570 with 3186 with B&P prices are touching $6k now.

[CRDMMW]

Originally Posted by Vintage12

Matt,



It is likely a 16710-3186 will increase in value but so will a 16710-3185. I suspect the investment and price ratio will remain at 2:1 for some time. From an investment stand point your money is probably better in the stock market versus either of these two, but the tactile emotional pleasure of ownership sways our decision making. Consider that also when you are looking at the 3185 or 3186 choice. Regardless, overall condition and completeness should be a major part of your decision. Both are fine watches you should be proud of. If you do decide 3186, be safe and go for the "credit card warranty" and obvious verification of say the "crown test" or visible inspection of the movement.



A late "Z", stick/error dial 3186 coke for your motivation. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Even Explorer II 16570 with 3186 with B&P prices are touching $6k now.

Thanks for the advice!! Much appreciated and sound for sure. Strictly doing this for fun and not investment purposes. It’s a EXPENSIVE hobby. ROFL!


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[springer]

Originally Posted by CRDMMW

I’ve been looking into getting a 16710 z or m serial with a 3186 movement either coke or pepsi insert. What do the vintage masters think about this watch as good collecting piece? Do you think price will stay strong? Been seeing them listed for at least $14k. Seems high??


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99% of Rolex watches that we covet and collect are not based on the movement. Aesthetics and age is what makes them collectable.

I've owned a few GMTs the past couple of decades and place no intrinsic added value on movements, let alone the 3186 movement.

$14,000 ...seriously!!!!

I'd rather buy a green Submariner 16610LV set for that kind of money.

[Old Expat Beast]

I should add that it's not the 3186 movement itself that makes the watch desirable or more valuable, IMO, it's the relative scarcity of the 16710 with that movement inside. Same story with the 16570, but to a lesser extent as more were made. If anything, the 3186 is more problematic than the 3185.

[CRDMMW]

Originally Posted by springer

99% of Rolex watches that we covet and collect are not based on the movement. Aesthetics and age is what makes them collectable.

I've owned a few GMTs the past couple of decades and place no intrinsic added value on movements, let alone the 3186 movement.

$14,000 ...seriously!!!!

I'd rather buy a green Submariner 16610LV set for that kind of money.

I’d say you’ve more than a few by the look of what you’ve posted on other threads.


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[CRDMMW]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I should add that it's not the 3186 movement itself that makes the watch desirable or more valuable, IMO, it's the relative scarcity of the 16710 with that movement inside. Same story with the 16570, but to a lesser extent as more were made. If anything, the 3186 is more problematic than the 3185.

Thx Adam. You’re advice is always good to hear.


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[HKS724]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Even Explorer II 16570 with 3186 with B&P prices are touching $6k now.

I must be buying my watches terribly!

Would you mind sharing where one would be able to find a 3186 Explorer at $6K?

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by HKS724

I must be buying my watches terribly!

Would you mind sharing where one would be able to find a 3186 Explorer at $6K?

Did you notice I was talking about the 16570 and not the 216570?

[HKS724]

Yes! Still.


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[Old Expat Beast]

The 16570 Explorer II with 3186 (secondhand) has been selling for around $5,000 over the last couple of years or so, and recently has been going up to $6,000. If you've been buying your watches "terribly" as you say, I assume you've paid much more for that model?

[HKS724]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The 16570 Explorer II with 3186 (secondhand) has been selling for around $5,000 over the last couple of years or so, and recently has been going up to $6,000. If you've been buying your watches "terribly" as you say, I assume you've paid much more for that model?

Yes, I'm asking more for advice--where can one find such prices? If it's the max, I need a wake up call!

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by HKS724

Yes, I'm asking more for advice--where can one find such prices? If it's the max, I need a wake up call!

Here: https://www.watchrecon.com/?query=16570+3186 (Ignore the $9,995, that's NOS).

[Frakis]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I should add that it's not the 3186 movement itself that makes the watch desirable or more valuable, IMO, it's the relative scarcity of the 16710 with that movement inside. Same story with the 16570, but to a lesser extent as more were made. If anything, the 3186 is more problematic than the 3185.

Can you be more specific when you say the 3186 movement is more problematic than the 3185? What kind of issues are arising? Thank you.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Frakis

Can you be more specific when you say the 3186 movement is more problematic than the 3185? What kind of issues are arising? Thank you.

Sure, see posts 10, 11, 24, 29, 30, etc ... then you can search out more via Google: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=367687

[gav329]

Great watch the older GMT best wishes hope you get one. I can’t help but think and maybe I’m wrong but the demand for the stainless Daytona has bumped the prices up to almost absurd with other Rolex sports models in particular.


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[mineral]

Originally Posted by Vintage12

Matt,



It is likely a 16710-3186 will increase in value but so will a 16710-3185. I suspect the investment and price ratio will remain at 2:1 for some time. From an investment stand point your money is probably better in the stock market versus either of these two, but the tactile emotional pleasure of ownership sways our decision making. Consider that also when you are looking at the 3185 or 3186 choice. Regardless, overall condition and completeness should be a major part of your decision. Both are fine watches you should be proud of. If you do decide 3186, be safe and go for the "credit card warranty" and obvious verification of say the "crown test" or visible inspection of the movement.



A late "Z", stick/error dial 3186 coke for your motivation. Good luck!

Beautiful GMT coke.

Mine say hi and noticed that back ground is similar? Cheers




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[Andad]

I like my M as the last of the old models.

Having the 3186 movement in both my GMT's is just a bonus.

[roklee]

It’s going to be 20k
next year.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by roklee

It’s going to be 20k
next year.

I have to agree.

If you can find a complete set box and papers 3186 Pepsi in Japan for $14,000 it would be gone in a day or two. Coke slightly less. maybe.

[Onikage]

The time tested 3185 is more robust. At least in the 'jumping hour hand' crown setting function, which is a common problem area on the 3186. Anything rare and Rolex = $$$s

[yannis]

This thread is useless without Peter (Padi) providing his input.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by yannis

This thread is useless without Peter (Padi) providing his input.

[CRDMMW]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I like my M as the last of the old models.



Having the 3186 movement in both my GMT's is just a bonus.

Great shot!!


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[CRDMMW]

Calling Padi!


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[CRDMMW]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I like my M as the last of the old models.



Having the 3186 movement in both my GMT's is just a bonus.

Great shot!! Love both.


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[broker]

So what you guys is saying is that one can buy a 3186 expII for $5k, a 16710 3185 Z for $7k, swap movements and, after that, the exp will be $4,5k and the 16710 $14k?
Rough times