Is this 6265 Sigma Big Red Dial fake?

[jfmiii]

I saw this watch from a well known vintage dealer on IG and I have my doubts regarding its authenticity. The "Daytona" print is crooked (imo) and the spacing between it and the subdial is.....interesting. crown also does not look positioned quite correctly to my eye.

[roh123]

It looks like a normal silver print sigma dial with low ROC where someone added the red text. Shame..

[J!m]

I would agree- red text added... Note also how "thick" the print is, compared to the white print. Generally (the ones I've looked at anyway) the red is slightly thicker, but not a lot thicker.

I prefer these WITHOUT the Daytona. I'll never afford one so I can keep on dreaming, but, I prefer the plain, or 'Cosmograph only' dials.

Crown may appear "funny" because the movement has uneven pusher spacing- the start/stop pusher is closer to the crown than the reset pusher. That's another detail I love about the early manual Cosmograph.

[bbturbo]

The pushers look weird too no?

[roh123]

Originally Posted by bbturbo

The pushers look weird too no?

Standard mk2.

[swish77]

Looks OK except for the "Daytona." I've never seen one with the "Daytona" so close to the subdial like that.

What a shame. That dial is ruined now.

Can you share the name of the dealer?

[jfmiii]

im not sure how deep into the rabbit hole id like to go with this but this was posted by a dealer who was the subject of some controversy and a looonnng discussion on here related to a 6202. unfortunately, i only found this one picture but when you see a dial that was messed with, you have to wonder what else on the watch has been played with. the sad thing is, someone will pay tens of thousands of dollars for this.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by jfmiii

im not sure how deep into the rabbit hole id like to go with this but this was posted by a dealer who was the subject of some controversy and a looonnng discussion on here related to a 6202. unfortunately, i only found this one picture but when you see a dial that was messed with, you have to wonder what else on the watch has been played with. the sad thing is, someone will pay tens of thousands of dollars for this.

Something like this was likely tampered with long time ago. No one in their right mind would touch that today. I wonder if it was relumed too or if it is just the picture making the lume dots look touched up.

Not impoasible that the added text could be removed.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by jfmiii

im not sure how deep into the rabbit hole id like to go with this but this was posted by a dealer who was the subject of some controversy and a looonnng discussion on here related to a 6202. unfortunately, i only found this one picture but when you see a dial that was messed with, you have to wonder what else on the watch has been played with. the sad thing is, someone will pay tens of thousands of dollars for this.

Oh, my, Luke Rottman?

[roh123]

Originally Posted by swish77

Oh, my, Luke Rottman?

https://instagram.com/p/Bhnm1pelMdn/

[swish77]

Originally Posted by roh123

https://instagram.com/p/Bhnm1pelMdn/

Yes, thanks. I found it. As a little background on this seller ...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...highlight=6202

[jfmiii]

Originally Posted by swish77

Oh, my, Luke Rottman?

yep, err is it Bob Maron? i think there's still some confusion on that that wasnt cleared up in the 6202 thread.

[rootbeer7]

Comments as above posted on the Instagram page !!!

[springer]

Originally Posted by jfmiii

yep, err is it Bob Maron? i think there's still some confusion on that that wasnt cleared up in the 6202 thread.

Another Robert Moron watch to be viewed and reviewed. It's been a while.

[Kingface66]

Oh, boy, he's surfaced and is NOT taking kindly to having his watch criticized

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bhnm1pel..._watch_adviser

[jfmiii]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Oh, boy, he's surfaced and is NOT taking kindly to having his watch criticized

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bhnm1pel..._watch_adviser

"Hopefully the moderator will come to his senses and remove this thread. Just too tired of it."

this was my favorite part of the other thread. the constant asking to take down the thread. looks like he is deleting comments on his IG page that call out the watch.

[jfmiii]

Originally Posted by springer

Another Robert Moron watch to be viewed and reviewed. It's been a while.

John, I'm not sure if this watch is an RM special but it was clear in the 6202 thread that there is some sort of relationship. not only did RM refund the funds from a watch LR sold but someone found the same watches available on both RM's and LR's sites.

[Kingface66]

And now he's deleting all the Instagram posts criticizing the watch

[jfmiii]

lol. pass the popcorn please. hopefully people will at least google "Luke Rottman" or "The Watch Adviser" and end up in this thread or the 6202 thread before buying anything from this dipsh1t.

i flagged it as a "scam" on IG. doubt theyll take it down but what else can you do.

[jfmiii]

The WatchAdviser has another beauty up for sale.

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by jfmiii

John, I'm not sure if this watch is an RM special but it was clear in the 6202 thread that there is some sort of relationship. not only did RM refund the funds from a watch LR sold but someone found the same watches available on both RM's and LR's sites.

Ha! Search for the Luke Rottman profile on Facebook and it's quite explicit : "Works at Robert Maron Watches."

[Paulie 50]

Yes.