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Lol-x · 4 May 2019, 02:14 PM

TRF has never received any financial benefit from any GTG.
TRF has never received any financial benefit or reward from any Wiscon or AboutLife GTG activity.

However, on a personal level I do not believe a "non-refundable deposit" for $150 should be retained for a dinner/food when the attendee arrives at a restaurant and is told is not a seat for him to sit down.

I personally feel if a person pays $150 as a pre-payment and they turn up to the event they deserve to get a seat. The payment secures a place and it shouldn't be subject to further confirmation by the attendee that makes no sense. If the attendee doesn't turn up and there is an empty seat at the dinner/event then the $150 covers the cost to the restaurant.

I personally feel a refund is warranted but only the party who received the money or otherwise benefited from it can give a refund.

Accordingly, I cannot give a 'refund'.
I can however make a discretionary payment under no compulsion or request to do so.

Similarly, I am shocked to hear bills dropped on dining tables at the end of a meal for thousands and thousands of dollars.

I want the recipient of this compensation payment to remain anonymous for fear he/she may be harassed. Again I stress this was a totally voluntary payment by me.

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I will hear (privately) from anyone who believes he/she should receive a refund for compensation.

Dubshack · 4 May 2019, 02:19 PM

I didn’t attend but read the thread(s). Good on you, Steve. What a mess.

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TheRolexKingofLV · 4 May 2019, 04:15 PM

That’s big of you Steve!

It’s sad that the person that should be doing the compensating isn’t.

77T · 4 May 2019, 06:59 PM

Solely for the purpose of disambiguation - there is long-standing prior art and I do not believe the offer Steve made was intended to extend to that trademark’s owner: http://wiscon.net

Steve: this is a particularly beneficent gesture - just the kind of remedial step that befits TRF’s collegial horology mission. Kudo’s

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Soly20 · 4 May 2019, 07:30 PM

That is a great move, Steve.

Abdullah71601 · 4 May 2019, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

That’s big of you Steve!

It’s sad that the person that should be doing the compensating isn’t.

X2 Great gesture Steve!

Art 1 · 4 May 2019, 09:25 PM

Very nice of you Steve. What a mess. And it has been for years. Obvious much more was going on. It’s a good thing you have chosen to disassociate TRF from this, the blind devotion to its organizer has been really baffling to me.

Art 1 · 4 May 2019, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by therolexkingoflv

that’s big of you steve!

It’s sad that the person that should be doing the compensating isn’t.

x3

brandrea · 4 May 2019, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

That’s big of you Steve!

It’s sad that the person that should be doing the compensating isn’t.

1000% correct.

JayHantz · 4 May 2019, 10:35 PM

Steve for the win.

Wonderful gesture on your part.

incontrol · 5 May 2019, 12:45 AM

Steve, that is really generous and a wonderful gesture.

Star Ferry · 5 May 2019, 12:57 AM

Wow. It's impressive that Steve is now compensating certain individuals out of pocket, but sad that it has come to this.

I am uncomfortable with someone soliciting $15,000 from TRF's membership and then being unable or unwilling to account for how it was spent. I am glad this "event" is now unaffiliated with the forum. The responses from the organizer were baffling and unsatisfying. To that end I agree with Trace -- I believe Trace is a totally positive member who doesn't criticize things without good reason for it.

Etschell · 5 May 2019, 01:05 AM

Ty Steve class act here.

kilyung · 5 May 2019, 01:07 AM

Given there was no TRF association, that’s very generous of you Steve.

brandrea · 5 May 2019, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Given there was no TRF association, that’s very generous of you Steve.

Yes, very important to note.

antbkny · 5 May 2019, 01:17 AM

Being that TRF members were victimized, I understand why you are doing this and applaud you. It’s unfortunate that it even comes to this. We should have heard about this when it happened in the past though. I’m hoping Gerardo does the right (honorable) thing here.

goog53 · 5 May 2019, 01:21 AM

Nice gesture Steve!

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Originally Posted by antbkny

I’m hoping Gerardo does the right thing though.

Did you see Gerardo’s reply? He is the victim

Boothroyd · 5 May 2019, 01:21 AM

Steve, to me, that is above and beyond. Very thoughtful and generous gesture of you! I can only imagine your frustration in having this situation occur, given TRF had no fiduciary or marketing link with the event in question, but was the platform used to organize the event. Top notch!

Daryl · 5 May 2019, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Given there was no TRF association, that’s very generous of you Steve.

+1

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nyc2la · 5 May 2019, 02:29 AM

Really a GENEROUS and STAND-UP move, Steve.

sleddog · 5 May 2019, 02:33 AM

A class act, and a pity the ‘event’ facilitator isn’t as forthcoming.

srvrf · 5 May 2019, 03:13 AM

Wow, this is a very classy move Steve. To make amends for something you had nothing to do with is amazing. There is obviously more to the story than I know. The whole thing is shocking and sad because I had a really great time and loved the watches, the people, and the events. But obviously, it could not continue.

rebel_1 · 5 May 2019, 03:23 AM

Nice move Steve.

Before everyone gets on a bash wagon, there were more than one of the attendees that left a hefty amount at one table, $1,700! And one of our attendees PAID IT!

I had a great time at the event, as always, and look forward to the next one!

subtona · 5 May 2019, 03:30 AM

Steve, completely above and beyond ... this is a generosity far exceeding the dollar figure.

GoingPlaces · 5 May 2019, 03:37 AM

Wow, this is a very classy gesture, definitely the higher road. This is what make this forum so special. I was not at first able to grasp what was or had happened but now I get it (I think).

I agree with another poster in that when Trace spoke up, I listened. He has ALWAYS been one of the most positive people in this forum since I joined. For him to take this position made me wonder if something else was going on.

FinWatch · 5 May 2019, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art 1

Very nice of you Steve. What a mess. And it has been for years. Obvious much more was going on. It’s a good thing you have chosen to disassociate TRF from this, the blind devotion to its organizer has been really baffling to me.

X2

It’s good that people finally opened up and spoke the truth.

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FinWatch · 5 May 2019, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

TRF has never received any financial benefit from any GTG.
TRF has never received any financial benefit or reward from any Wiscon or AboutLife GTG activity.

However, on a personal level I do not believe a "non-refundable deposit" for $150 should be retained for a dinner/food when the attendee arrives at a restaurant and is told is not a seat for him to sit down.

I personally feel if a person pays $150 as a pre-payment and they turn up to the event they deserve to get a seat. The payment secures a place and it shouldn't be subject to further confirmation by the attendee that makes no sense. If the attendee doesn't turn up and there is an empty seat at the dinner/event then the $150 covers the cost to the restaurant.

I personally feel a refund is warranted but only the party who received the money or otherwise benefited from it can give a refund.

Accordingly, I cannot give a 'refund'.
I can however make a discretionary payment under no compulsion or request to do so.

Similarly, I am shocked to hear bills dropped on dining tables at the end of a meal for thousands and thousands of dollars.

I want the recipient of this compensation payment to remain anonymous for fear he/she may be harassed. Again I stress this was a totally voluntary payment by me.

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I will hear (privately) from anyone who believes he/she should receive a refund for compensation.

What a great move!

This is something very unusual. Plenty of talking nowadays, very few are truly acting according to their values.

I am very happy belonging to this amazing TRF-community—for the love&passion of watches.

Thank You.

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HL65 · 5 May 2019, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleddog

A class act, and a pity the ‘event’ facilitator isn’t as forthcoming.

X2

BNA/LION · 5 May 2019, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRolexKingofLV

That’s big of you Steve!

It’s sad that the person that should be doing the compensating isn’t.

In this case I have to Agree...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleddog

A class act, and a pity the ‘event’ facilitator isn’t as forthcoming.

I Agree with this statement too...Steve has Always taken the High Road, been the Ultimate Moderator and has had to make some tough decisions over the years.

Thanks you Steve for this Generous Act of Kindness!

SearChart · 5 May 2019, 04:36 AM

Class act Steve

4 May 2019, 02:14 PM	#1
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,553	Wiscon - 2019 Compensation TRF has never received any financial benefit from any GTG. TRF has never received any financial benefit or reward from any Wiscon or AboutLife GTG activity. However, on a personal level I do not believe a "non-refundable deposit" for $150 should be retained for a dinner/food when the attendee arrives at a restaurant and is told is not a seat for him to sit down. I personally feel if a person pays $150 as a pre-payment and they turn up to the event they deserve to get a seat. The payment secures a place and it shouldn't be subject to further confirmation by the attendee that makes no sense. If the attendee doesn't turn up and there is an empty seat at the dinner/event then the $150 covers the cost to the restaurant. I personally feel a refund is warranted but only the party who received the money or otherwise benefited from it can give a refund. Accordingly, I cannot give a 'refund'. I can however make a discretionary payment under no compulsion or request to do so. Similarly, I am shocked to hear bills dropped on dining tables at the end of a meal for thousands and thousands of dollars. I want the recipient of this compensation payment to remain anonymous for fear he/she may be harassed. Again I stress this was a totally voluntary payment by me. Wiscon-Compensation-1.jpg Wiscon-Compensation-2.jpg Wiscon-Compensation-3.jpg I will hear (privately) from anyone who believes he/she should receive a refund for compensation. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

4 May 2019, 04:15 PM	#3
TheRolexKingofLV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Trace Location: Vegas/Bay Area Posts: 9,234	That’s big of you Steve! It’s sad that the person that should be doing the compensating isn’t. __________________ Official Host "The Penthouse Party" Las Vegas 2018 Instagram @tracenunes

4 May 2019, 06:59 PM	#4
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,887	Solely for the purpose of disambiguation - there is long-standing prior art and I do not believe the offer Steve made was intended to extend to that trademark’s owner: http://wiscon.net Steve: this is a particularly beneficent gesture - just the kind of remedial step that befits TRF’s collegial horology mission. Kudo’s Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

5 May 2019, 12:45 AM	#11
incontrol "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Somewhere in PA Watch: All of them... Posts: 10,355	Steve, that is really generous and a wonderful gesture. __________________ Patek Philippe Rolex

5 May 2019, 01:05 AM	#13
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	Ty Steve class act here. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

4 May 2019, 02:19 PM	#2
Dubshack "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Real Name: Matt Location: SoCal Watch: 126334 Posts: 871	I didn’t attend but read the thread(s). Good on you, Steve. What a mess. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 May 2019, 07:30 PM	#5
Soly20 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Soly Location: UK/US Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 3,089	That is a great move, Steve.

4 May 2019, 09:25 PM	#7
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	Very nice of you Steve. What a mess. And it has been for years. Obvious much more was going on. It’s a good thing you have chosen to disassociate TRF from this, the blind devotion to its organizer has been really baffling to me.

4 May 2019, 10:35 PM	#10
JayHantz 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Real Name: Jonathan Location: Texas Watch: @Escapementt Posts: 9,844	Steve for the win. Wonderful gesture on your part.

5 May 2019, 12:57 AM	#12
Star Ferry Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: down by the river Posts: 4,926	Wow. It's impressive that Steve is now compensating certain individuals out of pocket, but sad that it has come to this. I am uncomfortable with someone soliciting $15,000 from TRF's membership and then being unable or unwilling to account for how it was spent. I am glad this "event" is now unaffiliated with the forum. The responses from the organizer were baffling and unsatisfying. To that end I agree with Trace -- I believe Trace is a totally positive member who doesn't criticize things without good reason for it.

5 May 2019, 01:07 AM	#14
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Given there was no TRF association, that’s very generous of you Steve.

5 May 2019, 01:17 AM	#16
antbkny "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Anthony Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Dblue Posts: 6,723	Being that TRF members were victimized, I understand why you are doing this and applaud you. It’s unfortunate that it even comes to this. We should have heard about this when it happened in the past though. I’m hoping Gerardo does the right (honorable) thing here.

5 May 2019, 01:21 AM	#18
Boothroyd 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Daniel Location: Minneapolis, MN Watch: Wilsdorf(s) Posts: 10,256	Steve, to me, that is above and beyond. Very thoughtful and generous gesture of you! I can only imagine your frustration in having this situation occur, given TRF had no fiduciary or marketing link with the event in question, but was the platform used to organize the event. Top notch! __________________ Explorer 214270 MK I/Datejust II Black 116300/Tudor Heritage Black Bay Black 79220N

5 May 2019, 02:29 AM	#20
nyc2la "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Stephen Location: Beach Watch: 16660 Posts: 9,410	Really a GENEROUS and STAND-UP move, Steve. __________________ "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." --- RWE

5 May 2019, 02:33 AM	#21
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,930	A class act, and a pity the ‘event’ facilitator isn’t as forthcoming. __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

5 May 2019, 03:13 AM	#22
srvrf 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Steve Location: Indiana Watch: PP/AP/VC Posts: 2,150	Wow, this is a very classy move Steve. To make amends for something you had nothing to do with is amazing. There is obviously more to the story than I know. The whole thing is shocking and sad because I had a really great time and loved the watches, the people, and the events. But obviously, it could not continue.

5 May 2019, 03:23 AM	#23
rebel_1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 2,132	Nice move Steve. Before everyone gets on a bash wagon, there were more than one of the attendees that left a hefty amount at one table, $1,700! And one of our attendees PAID IT! I had a great time at the event, as always, and look forward to the next one! __________________ Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017

5 May 2019, 03:30 AM	#24
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,525	Steve, completely above and beyond ... this is a generosity far exceeding the dollar figure. __________________

5 May 2019, 03:37 AM	#25
GoingPlaces "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,356	Wow, this is a very classy gesture, definitely the higher road. This is what make this forum so special. I was not at first able to grasp what was or had happened but now I get it (I think). I agree with another poster in that when Trace spoke up, I listened. He has ALWAYS been one of the most positive people in this forum since I joined. For him to take this position made me wonder if something else was going on.

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