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texasmade · 24 July 2018, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

The last few races has also clearly shown how the midfield people can’t get out of the way of the usual race leaders fast enough when they are trying to fight back to the front from a penalty, etc. Though maybe not Ric so much. It would be nice if they had to at least pretend to earn that position back. Presumably with a better driver and faster car it shouldn’t be a problem. If Alonzo wants everyone to know how awesome a driver he is, he could put his elbows out and hold back one of the current superstars for a few laps. That would be impressive. That would be something worth watching. Or he could just pull to the right and let them glide by while recharging the battery.

Midfielders don't want to waste their tires battling the front runners. Extra pit stops costs them positions, which costs them points, which will ultimately cost the team money. It's a waste to try to fight off a top 3 team when they're going to pass you eventually no matter how hard you fight.

enjoythemusic · 24 July 2018, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by texasmade

Midfielders don't want to waste their tires battling the front runners. Extra pit stops costs them positions, which costs them points, which will ultimately cost the team money. It's a waste to try to fight off a top 3 team when they're going to pass you eventually no matter how hard you fight.

Agree, trying to 'drive the tires off' your mid-level F1 car in an attempt to defend against a far faster car behind you is a fools game. Also, the time you lose playing defense by 'making your car wider' to avoid a pass only serves to let cars further back catch up as they still drive the 'optimum' line.

Usually, and a bit of personal experience here, you fry the rears trying to defend your position. You may also use a bit more brakes (more heat there) depending on the track / defense strategy. Tire mgt / heat cycling is very important. Driving the tires off your call actually costs you more time in the end versus proper tire mgt.

Ah well, that's why we run the races.

JMHO YMMV

BTW, am a Hamilton fan yet wish Kimi would FINALLY get some luck on his side. Year after year Kimi.... Well, at least nowadays we can actually understand what Kimi is saying during interviews LOL!

SDRider · 24 July 2018, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRacer

Because if you want to win the championship , you can’t commit that mistake.
He was 1st with no pressure, no overtaking to do, he should have been different in the approach.
As I said Ferrari is the car to beat in this moment, 0.5s faster than Mercedes in qualifying but they are losing the championship with no sense .

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Bottas was only 2 tenths off Vettel's pole time in qualifying and Raikkonen was slower than Bottas. Hamilton can usually find a tenth or two out there so I'd say Mercedes is pretty even with the Ferrari. The Ferrari does seem to make better starts though.

SDRider · 24 July 2018, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jatco

My wife was Very happy....!
It was a great drive from Hamilton no doubt. Cant recall if anyone has done that feat before. Too bad Botas got the Hold... he could have won it. Vettel, well he knew he blew it. We were hoping Magnessun would have made it back into the points. He's been doing pretty good of late. The only Dane in the field..(..my wife's Danish

) It was a pretty good race overall imo.

Kimi Raikkonen did it in 2005 at the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka. He was driving for McLaren and started 17th on the grid. He worked his way up through the field until he was running behind race leader Giancarlo Fisichella. In an amazing outside pass coming into Turn One on the very last lap, Raikkonen passed the Fisichella, taking the lead and winning the race. It was a masterful display, I'll never forget it.

jatco · 24 July 2018, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Agree, trying to 'drive the tires off' your mid-level F1 car in an attempt to defend against a far faster car behind you is a fools game. Also, the time you lose playing defense by 'making your car wider' to avoid a pass only serves to let cars further back catch up as they still drive the 'optimum' line.

Usually, and a bit of personal experience here, you fry the rears trying to defend your position. You may also use a bit more brakes (more heat there) depending on the track / defense strategy. Tire mgt / heat cycling is very important. Driving the tires off your call actually costs you more time in the end versus proper tire mgt.

Ah well, that's why we run the races.

JMHO YMMV

BTW, am a Hamilton fan yet wish Kimi would FINALLY get some luck on his side. Year after year Kimi.... Well, at least nowadays we can actually understand what Kimi is saying during interviews LOL!

True true and true again. Kimi is only driver of late who has come out of 'retirement' and be competitive. He has a win or more coming...I hope.

OmegaJJH · 25 August 2018, 10:00 PM

Anyone at Spa this weekend?

I’m currently sat in the grandstand overlooking Eau Rouge with the sun on my face and a cold beer in my hand

The Joker · 25 August 2018, 10:02 PM

Awesome James, just watching quali on TV, coverage just started

OmegaJJH · 25 August 2018, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

Awesome James, just watching quali on TV, coverage just started

Hi Wes, hope you’re well!

We’re just waiting on a demo run from Schumacher’s Benetton and Lando Norris is currently doing an interview on the stage behind us.

It’s the 20th anniversary this year of Jordan’s first win at Spa!!

EJ and his band played for us last night

Tonight we’ve got a Q&A with Martin Brundle which I’m really looking forward to!!

Bring on Quali!!

Ferrari’s unfortunately looking strong...

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OmegaJJH · 26 August 2018, 02:58 AM

The rain came at the perfect time for Lewis who has been behind Kimi all weekend.

What a superb lap under pressure from Lewis having made a mistake the lap before.

No coincidence the 2 four time world champs are 1st and 2nd In tricky conditions.

Bring on tomorrow!!!

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texasmade · 26 August 2018, 05:14 AM

How about the new Force India team locking out the 2nd row? Lewis showed once again that he's the best drive on the grid in the wet.

Too bad for Kimi and RB for not refueling when they had the chance. It stopped them from doing a final run in improving conditions.

jatco · 26 August 2018, 05:21 AM

Should be an interesting race. Missed quali.. but got the race set to record on the pvr...(as with the nxt one..).
We'll see come tomorrow.....

goin camping · 26 August 2018, 07:16 AM

Q3 was fun!

Congrats to Hamilton and holy smokes on the second row! I did not see that one coming at all.

The race should be very interesting. Hope there is some rain on race day too.

goin camping · 3 September 2018, 03:27 AM

Anyone else catch the Italian GP?

Hope you did. It was not a boring.

OmegaJJH · 3 September 2018, 03:41 AM

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Anyone else catch the Italian GP?

Hope you did. It was not a boring.

I watched it in Venice on a large screen across the grand canal with a cold beer in my hand

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OmegaJJH · 3 September 2018, 03:42 AM

Great fun supporting Lewis surrounded by Ferrari fans!!!

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walds11 · 3 September 2018, 03:49 AM

I watched it and was pulling for Kimi even though I’m Team Benz. He’s due for a win. It was a great race!

GoingPlaces · 3 September 2018, 03:54 AM

Kimi just can’t close. Seb and Lewis close it out.

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jatco · 3 September 2018, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by goin camping

Anyone else catch the Italian GP?

Hope you did. It was not a boring.

Not yet.. Got it on the PVR but hadnt seen it yet.

texasmade · 3 September 2018, 05:47 AM

Great strategy by Mercedes and great drive by Lewis. Bottas the Blocker saves it for Mercedes and Lewis.

Looks like Vettel can't handle the pressure.

77T · 3 September 2018, 09:06 AM

Kimi became the West Ham in a Benz bun that squeezed the relish out of him.

He claimed the tires let him down but he had done the lock-ups and drove them off slipping the fronts too.

Otherwise a decent race strategy.

Max whining on the radio about Stewards was par for the course, too.

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crew · 3 September 2018, 11:14 AM

This was the second race I watched this season.
Watched both with my 30 year old nephew and his best bud. They’re huge fans and root for Ferrari.
Lots of fun and I’m learning as I watch. Amazing strategy among the teams and pit crews. I might just become a fan.

texasmade · 3 September 2018, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by crew

This was the second race I watched this season.
Watched both with my 30 year old nephew and his best bud. They’re huge fans and root for Ferrari.
Lots of fun and I’m learning as I watch. Amazing strategy among the teams and pit crews. I might just become a fan.

Good race to pick and watch. About half the races are pretty boring but occasionally you’ll get a thriller like this one.

dba · 3 September 2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

Kimi just can’t close. Seb and Lewis close it out.

Maybe you can explain Seb in Germany then.

All in all I thought it was the best race of the season so far.

jatco · 4 September 2018, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by texasmade

Great strategy by Mercedes and great drive by Lewis. Bottas the Blocker saves it for Mercedes and Lewis.

Looks like Vettel can't handle the pressure.

Certainly seems the case... Bottas and Rubens... 2nd fiddle for the leaders/ primary 'team mate'. Was rooting for Bottas or Kimi...but yet again Hamilton pulled it off. Tied Schumacher's wins on this circuit.
A good race overall..

goin camping · 4 September 2018, 02:56 AM

Yes, a great race to watch.

Although no fan of Seb. Got to hand it to him. From second to Last to fourth.

jatco · 4 September 2018, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by goin camping

Yes, a great race to watch.

Although no fan of Seb. Got to hand it to him. From second to Last to fourth.

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True, but Hamilton went from last to 1st a couple of races ago.!

TheRacer · 4 September 2018, 04:52 AM

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Ferrari can’t win the championship with Vettel.
That mistake is going to cost the title , even if the Ferrari is the best car out there .
Kimi is old but still fast , I would keep him for next year.

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Again... Ferrari can’t win with Vettel. At this point , even if Kimi is getting old, I would give the support to him...

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OmegaJJH · 4 September 2018, 06:01 AM

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Again... Ferrari can’t win with Vettel. At this point , even if Kimi is getting old, I would give the support to him...

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Fernando & Kimi partnership?

That would be a bloody strong pairing!!

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The Joker · 4 September 2018, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by goin camping

Yes, a great race to watch.

Although no fan of Seb. Got to hand it to him. From second to Last to fourth.

Er not really he cocked up again. That was the least he could do especially as Max got the penalty.

Hamilton is knocking it out the park at the moment and capitalising on everything. But I still still fancy Ferrari as they have the fastest car now.

77T · 4 September 2018, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jatco

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True, but Hamilton went from last to 1st a couple of races ago.!

What race are you recalling?

His worst qually thus far this year was 14th IIRC...

Monaco 2016 he was DFL after multiple grid penalties for the team doing power plant replacements. He did win that race.

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walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,668	I watched it and was pulling for Kimi even though I’m Team Benz. He’s due for a win. It was a great race! __________________ Adam

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77T 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,316	Kimi became the West Ham in a Benz bun that squeezed the relish out of him. He claimed the tires let him down but he had done the lock-ups and drove them off slipping the fronts too. Otherwise a decent race strategy. Max whining on the radio about Stewards was par for the course, too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

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OmegaJJH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 6,668	The rain came at the perfect time for Lewis who has been behind Kimi all weekend. What a superb lap under pressure from Lewis having made a mistake the lap before. No coincidence the 2 four time world champs are 1st and 2nd In tricky conditions. Bring on tomorrow!!! Sent from my iPhone

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texasmade "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Lone Star State Watch: AP RO 15400, FOIS Posts: 2,392	How about the new Force India team locking out the 2nd row? Lewis showed once again that he's the best drive on the grid in the wet. Too bad for Kimi and RB for not refueling when they had the chance. It stopped them from doing a final run in improving conditions.

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goin camping "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Milo Location: Mojave Desert Posts: 921	Q3 was fun! Congrats to Hamilton and holy smokes on the second row! I did not see that one coming at all. The race should be very interesting. Hope there is some rain on race day too.

3 September 2018, 03:27 AM	#283
goin camping "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Milo Location: Mojave Desert Posts: 921	Anyone else catch the Italian GP? Hope you did. It was not a boring.

3 September 2018, 03:42 AM	#285
OmegaJJH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 6,668	Great fun supporting Lewis surrounded by Ferrari fans!!! Sent from my iPhone

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GoingPlaces "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,356	Kimi just can’t close. Seb and Lewis close it out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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texasmade "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Lone Star State Watch: AP RO 15400, FOIS Posts: 2,392	Great strategy by Mercedes and great drive by Lewis. Bottas the Blocker saves it for Mercedes and Lewis. Looks like Vettel can't handle the pressure.

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crew "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: John Location: Rochester/Naples Watch: Pepsi Posts: 18,307	This was the second race I watched this season. Watched both with my 30 year old nephew and his best bud. They’re huge fans and root for Ferrari. Lots of fun and I’m learning as I watch. Amazing strategy among the teams and pit crews. I might just become a fan.

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goin camping "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Milo Location: Mojave Desert Posts: 921	Yes, a great race to watch. Although no fan of Seb. Got to hand it to him. From second to Last to fourth.

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