32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[atxwatch]

Originally Posted by ExplorerI

I’d be hesitant to buy one out of warranty.

Knowing what I know now, I would not buy any watch with or without warranty that has a 32xx or even 22xx movement.

It is clear that the prior generation movements were simply more reliable. Better to buy pre-owned older models right now.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by swexlin

I will try to get a screen shot of the timegrapher.

Make sure that the watch crown is in 'good' mechanical contact with the timegrapher microphone. Lift angle is 53 degrees.

[EaglePilot]

Hi,

This is my first post in the forum (registered some days ago), but I am following and reading some posts in this rolex forum since April 2022, (when I get Covid and spent a lot of time isolated, and with so much time to care of my watches and reading about watch themes)!
I spent some time specially in this post about the 32XX issue.
I am owner of some Rolex watches (and other brands too) since 2008 (2008 Daytona 116520 white dial, 2009 Gmt master II 116713, 2011 Datejust wimbledon dial 116333 flutted bezel).
So my passion about watches returned (there was a pause in buying watches since 2015, when I bought my last one, a Breitling Chronospace Automatic Black Steel PVD limited edition 1000 pieces), and in May 2022 I went to my AD and registered my interest in a Stainless Steel GMT Batman ( I am a private pilot, so the GMT was the rolex model watch that I like most, and I wanted I steel version of it as my old 2008 TT GMT was not the most ideal daily watch - despite I use it daily).
For my surprise , last december - 2022- I receive the AD call for the GMT (but with the jubille bracelet- BatGirl), despite I prefer the Oyster bracelet.
But knowing my good luck for this call after only 7 months (good old AD relationship I suppose), I didnt decline the offer and bought it, already knowing the 32XX issues.
Since then I didnt want to use the watch because I prefer prior to wait and place a order on a Weishi timegrapher ( and a horofix 2100 tool too, to size bracelet myself) and register and collect timegrapher initial data results before the use of the brand new watch!
So, after waiting some time for the tools, it arrived recently, and here I am to contribute with my results with this post.

PS - sorry for my english, is not my natural language

[vipereaper30]

First data sets from 2x GMTs. Rate/Amplitude/Beat Error [Full Wind/24 hr/48 hr]

GMT #1 New 12/19
Rate Amplitude Beat Error
DU 2.4/.6/-2 257/232/198 .2/.2/.3
6U -2.6/-4.1/-18.1 219/203/162 0/0/.1
9U -5.6/-6.5/-9.6 216/204/164 0/0/0
3U -1.8/-5/-19.2 210/200/163 .3/.4/.5
DD 1.9/1.3/-2.9 244/228/196 .1/.1/.2

GMT #2 New 3/20
Rate Amplitude Beat Error
DU 3.5/3.9/4 266/246/216 .1/.1/.1
6U .9/-.2/-9.2 221/209/170 .1/.1/.2
9U -1.2/-2.5/-1.9 225/206/171 .1/.2/.2
3U 1.4/.1/-3.7 228/216/182 .1/.1/.1
DD 2.6/2.6/-2 269/252/213 0/0/0

It looks like GMT #2 is the better performer, curious to hear any thoughts.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

First data sets from 2x GMTs.

curious to hear any thoughts.

Wow ! Its really hard to see the figures without any spacing between them.

Can you repost the data in a spreadsheet format.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by EaglePilot

Hi,

This is my first post in the forum

PS - sorry for my english, is not my natural language

Firstly ... Welcome to the forum.
Secondly ... Your English is just fine Do NOT worry at all.

It is GREAT that you have bought a Weishi 1900. It is very useful.
Do you know all the settings you need ? If not we will be happy to assist you.
The data you collect and share will be very useful.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

spreadsheet

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I have an "Itch"

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have an "Itch"

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

All I want is something I obviously can not have.

What's that you may ask ...

Well, It's a watch, made by Rolex, with a 32xx movement that has NO faults and is both accurate and precise and has not, and will not get the "Bug" that the current 32xx movements have.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

All I want is something I obviously can not have.

You need to go out of town and visit Lac de Joux and Saxonia

[RFC]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

First data sets from 2x GMTs. Rate/Amplitude/Beat Error [Full Wind/24 hr/48 hr]

GMT #1 New 12/19
Rate Amplitude Beat Error
DU 2.4/.6/-2 257/232/198 .2/.2/.3
6U -2.6/-4.1/-18.1 219/203/162 0/0/.1
9U -5.6/-6.5/-9.6 216/204/164 0/0/0
3U -1.8/-5/-19.2 210/200/163 .3/.4/.5
DD 1.9/1.3/-2.9 244/228/196 .1/.1/.2

GMT #2 New 3/20
Rate Amplitude Beat Error
DU 3.5/3.9/4 266/246/216 .1/.1/.1
6U .9/-.2/-9.2 221/209/170 .1/.1/.2
9U -1.2/-2.5/-1.9 225/206/171 .1/.2/.2
3U 1.4/.1/-3.7 228/216/182 .1/.1/.1
DD 2.6/2.6/-2 269/252/213 0/0/0

It looks like GMT #2 is the better performer, curious to hear any thoughts.

I’m guessing that in real life wearing the two you are experiencing GMT 1 losing time and GMT 2 either spot on or gaining a few s/d right? Your readings confirm this. GMT 2 is as you say the better performer. The delta, the rate variation between the lowest and highest rates, is better in GMT 2.

What I’m struck by is the low amplitude (oscillation) readings of these new movements that don’t need service. Even my 124060 Sub is higher in all positions and is low compared to older Rolex movements. Did you set the lift angle correctly? It should be 53 degrees I think. Maybe there’s a direct correlation between lower amplitudes and greater power reserves but that’s above my pay grade.

[EaglePilot]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Firstly ... Welcome to the forum.
Secondly ... Your English is just fine Do NOT worry at all.

It is GREAT that you have bought a Weishi 1900. It is very useful.
Do you know all the settings you need ? If not we will be happy to assist you.
The data you collect and share will be very useful.

Thank you CharlesN,

In fact, the timegrapher I bought is a Weishi 1000. I only realized after I received it that the resolution for RATE deviation in the Weishi 1000 is 1 sec (I suppose in Weshi 1900 there is an option to set for 0,1 sec RATE resolution).
I read some posts in this thread and know the lift angle for the 32xx need to be 53 degrees.
But there is another parameter ("test period") that I don't know which value I have to set (there is this options for "test period" : 2s, 4s, 8s, 12s, 20s, 30s, 60s. The Weishi came pre set at 12s.
In the past week I did a 72 hours test after full winding the watch, measuring at 24h , 48 h, 60 hr and 72 hours leaving it rest in dial up position during the intervals (the watch stopped at 73 h 54 min ?! more than the 72 hrs of power reserve ?!? maybe because I was manipulating it - and so self winding it - when measuring at various positions in the intervals).
The rate numbers I am getting after 48 hrs is all place, I would say useless. Maybe I am doing something wrong, so I will do a second test run after full winding from the zero. The problem is I travel a lot, so I have to find time in the week to stay at my city/home for at least 3 days to do the test for 72 hours.

[Lonehiker]

Well, after about a year of almost spot-on timekeeping, my explorer started losing time significantly. I took in into the RSC, and after a two week review, have been told it needs a full service to correct. Fortunately, it’s still under warranty as it’s only a year old. Annoyingly, it’ll take another 8 weeks to complete (their estimate). If it happens again, I’ll just sell the watch; having something so unreliable is simply not worthwhile.

[S.Explorer]

That's quite disappointing as I had the impression that the no-date 3230 movements were less susceptible to the drop in amplitude and timekeeping issues.

[swexlin]

Originally Posted by Lonehiker

Well, after about a year of almost spot-on timekeeping, my explorer started losing time significantly. I took in into the RSC, and after a two week review, have been told it needs a full service to correct. Fortunately, it’s still under warranty as it’s only a year old. Annoyingly, it’ll take another 8 weeks to complete (their estimate). If it happens again, I’ll just sell the watch; having something so unreliable is simply not worthwhile.

Yep, me too. I'm preparing to send my DSSD (Oct 21 as I mentioned above) off to RSC. Was always -2 per day, increased to -4 per day, has now increased to -8 per day. I can't ship yet, because the hardest thing to get is the brown paper shipping tape that RSC requires for the packaging. Neither the UPS Store nor Staples has it, had to order it off Amazon.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by swexlin

I will try to get a screen shot of the timegrapher.

Is that still your plan?

Originally Posted by swexlin

I'm preparing to send my DSSD off to RSC.

[swexlin]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Is that still your plan?

Yep.it's getting worse, lost 8 seconds from yesterday to today. I'm gonna send it in next week.

[dafuture]

This may seem like a silly question, but I have to ask - would this movement issue stop any of you from buying a new watch from and AD with the 32xx inside? I've been hunting for a Submariner, but I don't really want to have to deal with any issues when I finally get one.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by dafuture

This may seem like a silly question, but I have to ask - would this movement issue stop any of you from buying a new watch from and AD with the 32xx inside? I've been hunting for a Submariner, but I don't really want to have to deal with any issues when I finally get one.

Nope. Have and will continue to buy. Had the issue on a DJ41

[Tridor]

Originally Posted by dafuture

This may seem like a silly question, but I have to ask - would this movement issue stop any of you from buying a new watch from and AD with the 32xx inside? I've been hunting for a Submariner, but I don't really want to have to deal with any issues when I finally get one.

After a good deal of research, I've concluded that the 32xx movement is a flawed design, and I would not purchase one. I am very happy with my 30xx and 31xx movements, none of which has given me a lick of trouble.

[GST15]

Originally Posted by camb

Hello,

I'm close to a purchase of a watch using the 3230 movement (OP41 new from an AD) and this thread came up in the course of some research.

I've read through quite a bit of the thread with interest.

I'd be interested to know from some of those active within the thread (or anyone else) whether the information publicly available about this issue would put you off purchasing a Rolex with a 32** movement or not?

All the best

I would not hesitate. If you are one of the minority who has an issue, Rolex will sort it within the warranty period. I had to send a GMT back last year with low amplitude, and it was promptly fixed.

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by dafuture

This may seem like a silly question, but I have to ask - would this movement issue stop any of you from buying a new watch from and AD with the 32xx inside? I've been hunting for a Submariner, but I don't really want to have to deal with any issues when I finally get one.

Yes. I don't trust them after some members here have had to send it back more than once. This is not like a new car (except maybe an Alfa Romeo) where you can have warranty issues fixed in a day or two and get a loaner in the meantime.

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Wow ! Its really hard to see the figures without any spacing between them.

Can you repost the data in a spreadsheet format.

I've saved it all to a spreadsheet just not sure how best to translate that to a forum post sorry for the eye chart. Will send over to Saxo so he can chart it out.

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by RFC

I’m guessing that in real life wearing the two you are experiencing GMT 1 losing time and GMT 2 either spot on or gaining a few s/d right? Your readings confirm this. GMT 2 is as you say the better performer. The delta, the rate variation between the lowest and highest rates, is better in GMT 2.



What I’m struck by is the low amplitude (oscillation) readings of these new movements that don’t need service. Even my 124060 Sub is higher in all positions and is low compared to older Rolex movements. Did you set the lift angle correctly? It should be 53 degrees I think. Maybe there’s a direct correlation between lower amplitudes and greater power reserves but that’s above my pay grade.

Spot on, I was a little concerned about the GMT 1 prior to testing and the GMT 2 is tight. I have the lift angle set to 53, amplitudes are just really low. Haven't thoroughly tested any other watches yet but threw an old Bremont on the machine as I was compiling the 48hr numbers and that thing was cranking at 330 amps.

Next test I'll run a new sub date alongside the previous gen sub date. Will be interesting to see those numbers.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

First data sets from 2x GMTs. Rate/Amplitude/Beat Error [Full Wind/24 hr/48 hr]

GMT #1 New 12/19
Rate Amplitude Beat Error
DU 2.4/.6/-2 257/232/198 .2/.2/.3
6U -2.6/-4.1/-18.1 219/203/162 0/0/.1
9U -5.6/-6.5/-9.6 216/204/164 0/0/0
3U -1.8/-5/-19.2 210/200/163 .3/.4/.5
DD 1.9/1.3/-2.9 244/228/196 .1/.1/.2

GMT #2 New 3/20
Rate Amplitude Beat Error
DU 3.5/3.9/4 266/246/216 .1/.1/.1
6U .9/-.2/-9.2 221/209/170 .1/.1/.2
9U -1.2/-2.5/-1.9 225/206/171 .1/.2/.2
3U 1.4/.1/-3.7 228/216/182 .1/.1/.1
DD 2.6/2.6/-2 269/252/213 0/0/0

It looks like GMT #2 is the better performer, curious to hear any thoughts.

The three sets of figures on each line were easy to read in your first post.

The 48 hour amplitude readings are all low.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Wow ! Its really hard to see the figures without any spacing between them.

Can you repost the data in a spreadsheet format.

Ah, so now you like tables.....

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by dafuture

This may seem like a silly question, but I have to ask - would this movement issue stop any of you from buying a new watch from and AD with the 32xx inside? I've been hunting for a Submariner, but I don't really want to have to deal with any issues when I finally get one.

Yes for me. I'll never buy a 32xx Rolex because I simply don't trust this movement family.

The "sent in for service" thing is not for me, sorry.

[Toshk]

Originally Posted by fmc000

Yes for me. I'll never buy a 32xx Rolex because I simply don't trust this movement family.

The "sent in for service" thing is not for me, sorry.

Totally agree with you. I got rid of all new Rolex watches I’d purchased in last three years. Submariner had back twice until they kind of fixed it. Appalling.

[atxwatch]

Originally Posted by GST15

I would not hesitate. If you are one of the minority who has an issue, Rolex will sort it within the warranty period. I had to send a GMT back last year with low amplitude, and it was promptly fixed.

The problem is that we don't know that they have a permanent fix. We know that some who have sent a watch in that came back "fixed", had to send it back in for another "fix". That right there means that you might be stuck with a lemon after year 5...and that is the risk.

And at some point, the pre-owned market will catch on to this. How are you going to unload a 4-year old or 5+ year-old watch with a 32xx movement in another year or two when this is going to be common knowledge? Much less for top dollar?

I will NOT buy another 22xx or 32xx movement until Rolex has announced a PERMANENT fix. WHich I don't believe they have.