How many of you are into shoes... (Dress Shoes)?

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Although Carmina are good quality shoes if you buy the right C&J shoes then there is no doubt C&J are a cut above.

C&J makes more than just one line of shoes. If memory serves correctly it's Bench Grade, Hand Grade, and they even make shoes for Brooks Brothers under the name of Peal and Co. To further confuse they also used to make at least the Northcote boot in Cordovan under the Crockett and Jones label for Brooks Brothers. The Brooks Brothers Peal and Co shoes used to also include shoes from Alfred Sargent and I think it may at one time long ago include shoes from Edward Green. Anyway C&J Hand Grade and those labeled Crockett and Jones for Brooks Brothers were the top of their line.

I would say Carmina was pretty much on par with C&Js Bench Grade or Peal and Co shoes. But C&Js Hand Grade line was definitely a cut above Carmina.

I have a few Carmina as well as C&J and I might have a few more C&J shoes if it weren't for their shoe Lasts not being such a good fit for me. I do have a few of their boots though and their boots are extremely nice.

I appreciate the insight Dan.
I have a Brooks Brothers here locally, I will look into
Peal and Co. shoes, hopefully they still carry them.
You essentially answered my question. I am looking at the
Hand Grade C & J Audley oxford which is a cut above Carmina
and Bench Grade C&J if I understood correctly.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

I appreciate the insight Dan.
I have a Brooks Brothers here locally, I will look into
Peal and Co. shoes, hopefully they still carry them.
You essentially answered my question. I am looking at the
Hand Grade C & J Audley oxford which is a cut above Carmina
and Bench Grade C&J if I understood correctly.

Keep in mind although they may list it on the website the smaller Brooks Brother stores specifically rarely carry very many but can get whatever shoe or boot and a few different sizes for you to try on. You may want to call in advance if looking for something in particular.


Good Luck.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Keep in mind although they may list it on the website the smaller Brooks Brother stores specifically rarely carry very many but can get whatever shoe or boot and a few different sizes for you to try on. You may want to call in advance if looking for something in particular.


Good Luck.

Dan,

I have found the Carmina Black Captoe Oxford 80386 in the rain last for
around $400 shipped . I have also narrowed my search down to the
Audley hand grade C&J for just under $600 shipped that I was able
to source out of the UK. I know I've read a lot that Carmina is under
priced/valued versus the quality they produce.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I was just wanting to check
and get another pulse from you if you think the $200 premium is
really worth it for the hand grade C&J's before I pull the trigger...?

Note: I can also get the Lonsdale hand grade black captoe
for the same price as the Audley black captoe but the 363 last
looks a little too long on the Lonsdale.
The Audley has that classic but elegant modern look to it. IMO
The 337 last of the Audley looks nicer to me than the
363 last of the Lonsdale.

Brooks Brothers doesn't have a simple plain captoe oxford
in the Peal and Co. line by C&J so that rules that out .

Looking forward to your thoughts... Thanks

[hitman23]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Dan,

I have found the Carmina Black Captoe Oxford 80386 in the rain last for
around $400 shipped . I have also narrowed my search down to the
Audley hand grade C&J for just under $600 shipped that I was able
to source out of the UK. I know I've read a lot that Carmina is under
priced/valued versus the quality they produce.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I was just wanting to check
and get another pulse from you if you think the $200 premium is
really worth it for the hand grade C&J's before I pull the trigger...?

Note: I can also get the Lonsdale hand grade black captoe
for the same price as the Audley black captoe but the 363 last
looks a little too long on the Lonsdale.
The Audley has that classic but elegant modern look to it. IMO
The 337 last of the Audley looks nicer to me than the
363 last of the Lonsdale.

Brooks Brothers doesn't have a simple plain captoe oxford
in the Peal and Co. line by C&J so that rules that out .

Looking forward to your thoughts... Thanks

I never saw any difference in the quality of construction between Carmina and C&J. The leather is a bit nicer with the handgrade line. Not sure if that's worth $200 to you. C&J also has sleeker lasts if that appeals to you. I would just go straight to EG if I were you and skip these 2 brands. You will eventually get there on this path and it'll save you money down the road.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by hitman23

I never saw any difference in the quality of construction between Carmina and C&J. The leather is a bit nicer with the handgrade line. Not sure if that's worth $200 to you. C&J also has sleeker lasts if that appeals to you. I would just go straight to EG if I were you and skip these 2 brands. You will eventually get there on this path and it'll save you money down the road.

Thanks for the insight. I’ve looked at EG’s.
I’m not ready to break the bank just yet.
Maybe in a couple of years if I get spoiled .

[JasoninDenver]

Once you find a couple of C&J lasts you like, you will be fine with this brand as your daily wear shoes. I really like the 341 and 348 lasts for my lower volume foot with a narrower heel.

Bench grade is fine. A notch or three above Allen Edmonds, Too Boot or Magnani. Hand grade gains better leather selection, nominally more detailed stitching and fiddle backed soles on some. Worth $200??? Only if the shoe speaks to you.

At some point in your travels, stop by a Carmina shop and get fitted for the last. The Rain worked okay for me but not as great as C&J.

Warning though, if you find an Edward Green last you like, all other shoes are rendered irrelevant. Dammitt.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Dan,

I have found the Carmina Black Captoe Oxford 80386 in the rain last for
around $400 shipped . I have also narrowed my search down to the
Audley hand grade C&J for just under $600 shipped that I was able
to source out of the UK. I know I've read a lot that Carmina is under
priced/valued versus the quality they produce.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I was just wanting to check
and get another pulse from you if you think the $200 premium is
really worth it for the hand grade C&J's before I pull the trigger...?

Note: I can also get the Lonsdale hand grade black captoe
for the same price as the Audley black captoe but the 363 last
looks a little too long on the Lonsdale.
The Audley has that classic but elegant modern look to it. IMO
The 337 last of the Audley looks nicer to me than the
363 last of the Lonsdale.

Brooks Brothers doesn't have a simple plain captoe oxford
in the Peal and Co. line by C&J so that rules that out .

Looking forward to your thoughts... Thanks

As imperfect as these are these are my thoughts.

Fit is KING and that would always be my number one concern. If it don't fit you'll never wear it. Hard to say at this point which Lasts will and will not work for you. I've got Lasts that work but don't fit as good as others and this took a few to figure this out. I enjoy wearing those that fit best the most. Luckily I have a lot of shoes and boots which not only appeal to me visually but also fit me real well. Once I went with Edward Green and Gaziano and Girling they all worked real well for me and in fact those are most of my better fitting shoes and boots. This of course may or may not be the case for you. By the way the Rain Last works for me but it's not as great as a fit as some of the Lasts from Edward Green and Gaziano and Girling.

Aesthetics', details, craftmanship, elegant Lasts, better designs, and better leather for me are the things that I enjoy. What is that rule of diminishing returns again? The more you spend the less you get. After all whether you pay a little over $300 or $1500 it's still a pair of shoes. I've yet to regret paying more for my footwear. Some may and some may not find the difference worth the extra money. For those that don't, then your better not too. As I said I greatly enjoy these details so the return on my investment is money well spent.

Many gentleman in my position who enjoy footwear actually chose the Black Captoe Oxford to spend less money on. It certainly takes something for one to stand out over another because after all they are all just a Black CapToe Oxford. However for me this one shoe is basically the standard shoe and it's something I wear fairly frequently. But generally speaking details are what I find extremely enjoyable. More elegant patterns, more refined Lasts, better leather, and better attention to detail. I chose to go with the Edward Green Chelsea for my Black CapToe Oxford. My other option and often I still think I should have gone the John Lobb route. However I didn't have the ability to try their Last for the City or Phillip at the time. The Edward Green 82 was a known Last that fits me real well.

When initially buying shoes and boots I started with Allen Edmonds and went up from there. My only regret even though it helped me understand the differences from the very Bottom Tier to the very Top Tier when it came shoemakers was that I spent a lot of money starting at the bottom before going to the top where I find myself the happiest. Can't guarantee you would ever say the same. However a good way to tell would at least to get out somewhere where you could see a number of these offerings in person. Not always easy of course depending on location.

For what I spent on Crockett and Jones I could have a few more Carmina for the same price. In fact when I purchased my Crockett and Jones I could have even more Carminas because at that time they cost even less. However I can tell you I prefer the Crockett and Jones more. At least the ones I chose. But as I said my choices are all about comparing what's out there and choosing the one that appeals to me most and not what will cost me the least. But comparing shoes to shoes and boots to boots I see the difference and Handmade Crockett and Jones to me are better than Carmina.

At a certain point because I spent a good while familiarizing myself with the various items from all kinds of shoemakers and knew which Lasts worked for me I was strictly choosing only those which fit and which appealed most to me. At that point Carmina had long ago no longer appealed to me. I do still have a few pairs and I still wear them but they no longer would be what I would buy because there are others that appeal more to me. Great shoes, great value, just not in the same league as others I own. You can't go wrong with Carmina, but no longer something I would chose.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

Once you find a couple of C&J lasts you like, you will be fine with this brand as your daily wear shoes. I really like the 341 and 348 lasts for my lower volume foot with a narrower heel.

Bench grade is fine. A notch or three above Allen Edmonds, Too Boot or Magnani. Hand grade gains better leather selection, nominally more detailed stitching and fiddle backed soles on some. Worth $200??? Only if the shoe speaks to you.

At some point in your travels, stop by a Carmina shop and get fitted for the last. The Rain worked okay for me but not as great as C&J.

Warning though, if you find an Edward Green last you like, all other shoes are rendered irrelevant. Dammitt.

Dammit, I wish I had said that.

But that really is true for most Top Tier Shoemakers. I could have said the same for Gaziano and Girling, John Lobb, and Saint Crispin's.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Dammit, I wish I had said that.

But that really is true for most Top Tier Shoemakers. I could have said the same for Gaziano and Girling, John Lobb, and Saint Crispin's.

Once you go bespoke, all the top tier RTW become irrelevant. I've basically stopped buying MTO or RTW shoes now and blow my money on bespoke. I've only purchased 2 John Lobb casual loafers in the past 3 years and that was mainly because they were on sale. I have 1 pair of John Lobb Paris bespoke and just ordered 1 more pair today. I also have a pair of Pierre Corthay bespoke in the pipeline.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Once you go bespoke, all the top tier RTW become irrelevant. I've basically stopped buying MTO or RTW shoes now and blow my money on bespoke. I've only purchased 2 John Lobb casual loafers in the past 3 years and that was mainly because they were on sale. I have 1 pair of John Lobb Paris bespoke and just ordered 1 more pair today. I also have a pair of Pierre Corthay bespoke in the pipeline.

Personally I was very pleased with the options available either via RTW or MTO. Their standard Lasts provided me with a very good fit and I just never found the need or desire to spend what it would take to go Bespoke.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Dammit, I wish I had said that.

But that really is true for most Top Tier Shoemakers. I could have said the same for Gaziano and Girling, John Lobb, and Saint Crispin's.

Thank you gentlemen... I can attest that fit is king
cause if the shoe doesn’t fit it may as well just sit in the
box or just be a piece of art !

The only thing I can refer to is my new AE Park Ave’s
I received as a gift recently. 9D US size and they fit great.
Only thing is the laces have a slight V when tying them up
but from what I’m told by AE shoe fitter they will break in
and close up a little more. If I go to a 9E the laces might
Close the gap ( I have a high instep) all the way but then the
entire shoes will be wider and roomier.
If I go to a 8.5 E in the Park Ave’s the toe box might be
too tight as the 9D’s are just the right length.

Onto the new ones I’m looking at . I’m pretty much
a normal 9D with a higher instep . Of the lasts mentioned
any recommendations? UK sizing I believe I’m a 8E.
I just ordered a pair from J Fitzpatrick with brogueing
in a 8E UK and with thicker socks they fit nicely on
his MFG last as the laces close up nicely too. .

I have gotten properly measured and am a 9D.
I also won’t be traveling anytime soon so I’m going
to have to order online and hope I get it right the
first time without shipping back and forth.
The Carmina rain last looks to accommodate a
higher instep but the last design of the 337 C&J
looks slightly sleeker. Both nice designs though.
RRP is $475 for Carmina and $840 for the C&J
Audley. But like I mentioned I was able to source
both at a slight discount. Do any of you gentlemen
have either of these models in C&J ?
Audley or Lonsdale hand grade ? Was looking at the
Hallam bench grade 348 last (very sleek) but the suppler
said the price difference is minimal between the two and
may as well get the hand grade .

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Thank you gentlemen... I can attest that fit is king
cause if the shoe doesn’t fit it may as well just sit in the
box or just be a piece of art !

The only thing I can refer to is my new AE Park Ave’s
I received as a gift recently. 9D US size and they fit great.
Only thing is the laces have a slight V when tying them up
but from what I’m told by AE shoe fitter they will break in
and close up a little more. If I go to a 9E the laces might
Close the gap ( I have a high instep) all the way but then the
entire shoes will be wider and roomier.
If I go to a 8.5 E in the Park Ave’s the toe box might be
too tight as the 9D’s are just the right length.

Onto the new ones I’m looking at . I’m pretty much
a normal 9D with a higher instep . Of the lasts mentioned
any recommendations? UK sizing I believe I’m a 8E.
I just ordered a pair from J Fitzpatrick with brogueing
in a 8E UK and with thicker socks they fit nicely on
his MFG last as the laces close up nicely too. .

I have gotten properly measured and am a 9D.
I also won’t be traveling anytime soon so I’m going
to have to order online and hope I get it right the
first time without shipping back and forth.
The Carmina rain last looks to accommodate a
higher instep but the last design of the 337 C&J
looks slightly sleeker. Both nice designs though.
RRP is $475 for Carmina and $840 for the C&J
Audley. But like I mentioned I was able to source
both at a slight discount. Do any of you gentlemen
have either of these models in C&J ?
Audley or Lonsdale hand grade ? Was looking at the
Hallam bench grade 348 last (very sleek) but the suppler
said the price difference is minimal between the two and
may as well get the hand grade .

I have a slightly higher instep and found the Rain Last to be a good fit. I steered clear of most Crockett and Jones shoe Lasts because for one thing although they look sleek they also look a bit off and funky to me and about this time I just started purchasing Edward Green and went with the 82 Last which works real well for me.

You might want to check out Styleforum and their Crockett and Jones Appreciation thread. They have a thread on most shoemakers where users talk quite a bit about fit. I was able to use this to help guide me when buying shoes I was unable to try on. It wasn't perfect and nothing substitutes actually doing it in person but since I have a fairly average foot it was a tremendous help.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by dddrees

I have a slightly higher instep and found the Rain Last to be a good fit. I steered clear of most Crockett and Jones shoe Lasts because for one thing although they look sleek they also look a bit off and funky to me and about this time I just started purchasing Edward Green and went with the 82 Last which works real well for me.

You might want to check out Styleforum and their Crockett and Jones Appreciation thread. They have a thread on most shoemakers where users talk quite a bit about fit. I was able to use this to help guide me when buying shoes I was unable to try on. It wasn't perfect and nothing substitutes actually doing it in person but since I have a fairly average foot it was a tremendous help.

Thanks Dan. I have been on styleforum looking at
the appreciation threads. I’m starting to think as I got
another nod from Kirby Allison’s team to just get the
Carmina’s for now and save the rest for another pair,
Maybe EG or GG eventually... ?
This maybe worst than the watch addiction...

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Thanks Dan. I have been on styleforum looking at
the appreciation threads. I’m starting to think as I got
another nod from Kirby Allison’s team to just get the
Carmina’s for now and save the rest for another pair,
Maybe EG or GG eventually... ?
This maybe worst than the watch addiction...

I've found any hobby or appreciation for anything can be that way. Oh well, I'm enjoying it.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Thanks Dan. I have been on styleforum looking at
the appreciation threads. I’m starting to think as I got
another nod from Kirby Allison’s team to just get the
Carmina’s for now and save the rest for another pair,
Maybe EG or GG eventually... ?
This maybe worst than the watch addiction...

Carmina's are best value for price point, IMO. Love them

[kaiserphoenix]

Im addicted to John Lobbs!

[Brew]

Some AE PTBs today.

Not exactly dressy, but comfortable.


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[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Carmina's are best value for price point, IMO. Love them

Thanks Tudor...
I’m starting to think that even though I don’t have
any personal experience with either Carmina or C&J.
I found out about C&J here . Do you both ?

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Thanks Tudor...

I’m starting to think that even though I don’t have

any personal experience with either Carmina or C&J.

I found out about C&J here . Do you both ?

Don't own C&J though my belief is they are at rather similar quality levels as Carmina.

Also got a couple pairs of Meermin shoes - half price of Carmina, goodyear welted as well and very good value.

Cheers

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[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Don't own C&J though my belief is they are at rather similar quality levels as Carmina.

Also got a couple pairs of Meermin shoes - half price of Carmina, goodyear welted as well and very good value.

Cheers

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[locutus49]

This is a great explanation of priorities. Since I am retired, I mostly wear loafers from Gucci and Prada, have one lace-up blue wingtip on runner shoe bottom from Prada, and a double monk from acemark (both not shown).

Originally Posted by dddrees

As imperfect as these are these are my thoughts.

Fit is KING and that would always be my number one concern. If it don't fit you'll never wear it. Hard to say at this point which Lasts will and will not work for you. I've got Lasts that work but don't fit as good as others and this took a few to figure this out. I enjoy wearing those that fit best the most. Luckily I have a lot of shoes and boots which not only appeal to me visually but also fit me real well. Once I went with Edward Green and Gaziano and Girling they all worked real well for me and in fact those are most of my better fitting shoes and boots. This of course may or may not be the case for you. By the way the Rain Last works for me but it's not as great as a fit as some of the Lasts from Edward Green and Gaziano and Girling.

Aesthetics', details, craftmanship, elegant Lasts, better designs, and better leather for me are the things that I enjoy. What is that rule of diminishing returns again? The more you spend the less you get. After all whether you pay a little over $300 or $1500 it's still a pair of shoes. I've yet to regret paying more for my footwear. Some may and some may not find the difference worth the extra money. For those that don't, then your better not too. As I said I greatly enjoy these details so the return on my investment is money well spent.

Many gentleman in my position who enjoy footwear actually chose the Black Captoe Oxford to spend less money on. It certainly takes something for one to stand out over another because after all they are all just a Black CapToe Oxford. However for me this one shoe is basically the standard shoe and it's something I wear fairly frequently. But generally speaking details are what I find extremely enjoyable. More elegant patterns, more refined Lasts, better leather, and better attention to detail. I chose to go with the Edward Green Chelsea for my Black CapToe Oxford. My other option and often I still think I should have gone the John Lobb route. However I didn't have the ability to try their Last for the City or Phillip at the time. The Edward Green 82 was a known Last that fits me real well.

When initially buying shoes and boots I started with Allen Edmonds and went up from there. My only regret even though it helped me understand the differences from the very Bottom Tier to the very Top Tier when it came shoemakers was that I spent a lot of money starting at the bottom before going to the top where I find myself the happiest. Can't guarantee you would ever say the same. However a good way to tell would at least to get out somewhere where you could see a number of these offerings in person. Not always easy of course depending on location.

For what I spent on Crockett and Jones I could have a few more Carmina for the same price. In fact when I purchased my Crockett and Jones I could have even more Carminas because at that time they cost even less. However I can tell you I prefer the Crockett and Jones more. At least the ones I chose. But as I said my choices are all about comparing what's out there and choosing the one that appeals to me most and not what will cost me the least. But comparing shoes to shoes and boots to boots I see the difference and Handmade Crockett and Jones to me are better than Carmina.

At a certain point because I spent a good while familiarizing myself with the various items from all kinds of shoemakers and knew which Lasts worked for me I was strictly choosing only those which fit and which appealed most to me. At that point Carmina had long ago no longer appealed to me. I do still have a few pairs and I still wear them but they no longer would be what I would buy because there are others that appeal more to me. Great shoes, great value, just not in the same league as others I own. You can't go wrong with Carmina, but no longer something I would chose.

[cruise_bone]

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

Once you find a couple of C&J lasts you like, you will be fine with this brand as your daily wear shoes. I really like the 341 and 348 lasts for my lower volume foot with a narrower heel.

Bench grade is fine. A notch or three above Allen Edmonds, Too Boot or Magnanni. Hand grade gains better leather selection, nominally more detailed stitching and fiddle backed soles on some. Worth $200??? Only if the shoe speaks to you.

At some point in your travels, stop by a Carmina shop and get fitted for the last. The Rain worked okay for me but not as great as C&J.

Warning though, if you find an Edward Green last you like, all other shoes are rendered irrelevant. Dammitt.

These are my three go to brands. Y'all are scaring me with these other makers. I Must Not Go Down This Rabbit Hole!!

[RidingDonkeys]

I really wish I hadn't found this thread. I love seeing all the great shoes, but my wallet is sweaty, and shaking at the mere thought of the thinning this thread may cause.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Don't own C&J though my belief is they are at rather similar quality levels as Carmina.

Also got a couple pairs of Meermin shoes - half price of Carmina, goodyear welted as well and very good value.

Cheers

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Besides my Luv for details the things that bother me the most about shoemakers such as Allen Edmonds and Meerimen are quality concerns which seem to be fairly common with these two lower tier shoemakers.

At least with Allen Edmonds their customer service is renowned and they are more than happy to replace your shoes no matter how many pairs it take to get it right and they are stateside.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Besides my Luv for details the things that bother me the most about shoemakers such as Allen Edmonds and Meerimen are quality concerns which seem to be fairly common with these two lower tier shoemakers.

At least with Allen Edmonds their customer service is renowned and they are more than happy to replace your shoes no matter how many pairs it take to get it right and they are stateside.

IMO it's all about expectation. You're getting. GW shoe for $200. If you're expecting Carmina finishing - well that's where you're wrong IMO.

All I'm saying is that for the price they're pretty terrific. Opinions differ

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[daveathall]

I have C&J, Church's (Who are owned by Prada) Loake (which are fabulous value for money and the 1880 range are made in England), Trickers which were my first good shoe and built to last and super comfy, a couple of pairs of Cheaney who, interestingly enough are owned by Church's. All are good shoes but one can tell the hierarchy and quality by their individual price points. To me, not a lot of difference between my C&J, Church's and Trickers, all 3 being in the £400 ($500) price range.

All are great shoes from the cheapest to my most expensive and all will last longer than me.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

IMO it's all about expectation. You're getting. GW shoe for $200. If you're expecting Carmina finishing - well that's where you're wrong IMO.

All I'm saying is that for the price they're pretty terrific. Opinions differ

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No, that's not it. Well unless your saying your completely happy with mistakes or quality issues. Believe me I get and thoroughly understand the differences with just finishing. My issue is with the actual quality of the good they are selling.

With AE you can actually say that they mass produce in such mass quantity it's a very expensive proposition to catch and stop more mistakes than they actually sell. In fact that is exactly what the CEO said in a few open posts on Styleforum. Anyway he touted his customer service as the way to address this, and from what I've read they in fact really do a good job there.

With Meerimen when you hit that lotto and your stateside your kind of stuck with what you got or just call it a loss.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by dddrees

No, that's not it. Well unless your saying your completely happy with mistakes or quality issues. Believe me I get and thoroughly understand the differences with just finishing. My issue is with the actual quality of the good they are selling.

With AE you can actually say that they mass produce in such mass quantity it's a very expensive proposition to catch and stop more mistakes than they actually sell. In fact that is exactly what the CEO said in a few open posts on Styleforum.

With Meerimen when you hit that lotto and your stateside your kind of stuck with what you got or just call it a loss.

I agree with your points.

They opened a store in NYC recently. I travel often there for work and that makes it easy to choose something that works.

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[dddrees]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

I agree with your points.

They opened a store in NYC recently. I travel often there for work and that makes it easy to choose something that works.

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Fabulous, and this would actually make Meerimen a better option for those being able to inspect their shoes before purchasing them.

Among the things that greatly cuts down the mistakes that higher tier shoemakers make are not only the attention to detail but the lower volume, higher expectations, and the fact that most men's shoes specializing in these shoes will also go to greater lengths to ensure their customers are happy.

[tudorbaja27]

Some Carmina double monks just coming in. Love at first sight

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