Prices slump by up to 50% for discontinued Rolex watches (Watchpro)

[fatcows7]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

Good info, thanks for sharing. I wouldn't mind picking up a blue dual time when they get to retail or below.

was at the vach bond street (london) boutqiue the other day. Very nice team, attitude was very different from when I saw them a year ago.

Said the current waiting list was as follows for VCO (4500v) assuming you put your name on the list today
- Silver - 1 - 2 years
- Black - 2 - 5 years
- Blue - 5 years+

Guy told me the watch market was "softening" but "demand for watches at the 20k+ level isn't changing - maybe for the 5k - 10k." Said all the watches being allocated are being sold (other sources have told me this is not true)

I looked at him dead in the eye and tried not to laugh.

hopefully, we can buy blue dial at retail from the boutique soon.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by sigma089

Hmm, I love the silver 15450. Really curious where these are headed.

They traded sub-20 prior to Covid. But as others pointed out AP increased MRSP significantly during the pandemic. I am confident that AP demand will tank even more.

Anyone know the last MRSP for the 15450 was when the 15550 was introduced? I'd probably go for an unworn example at that amount then... Don't like the 15550s due to their Vaucher movement and the missing logo on the dial.

European dealers seem to not have realized that no one is buying atm. Asking prices are still pretty high, though I doubt anything is selling.

i wanna say 15450s were 23-24k before they got discontinued. they were trading at 19k in mid-end 2019 with msrp at 16k as well. got mine for 19.3k 1 week before price was raised by 20% to 19.5. kind of interesting that they were so aggressive with the 37mm of all models

[johnsonsxusfrt]

Originally Posted by Benzsiam

I think DAVIDSW might have his people in MODA also in different name.

I believe you're right. I've seen his pieces there but they're listed under someone else's moniker.

[sigma089]

Thanks @huncho!

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by huncho

i wanna say 15450s were 23-24k before they got discontinued. they were trading at 19k in mid-end 2019 with msrp at 16k as well. got mine for 19.3k 1 week before price was raised by 20% to 19.5. kind of interesting that they were so aggressive with the 37mm of all models

Still remember when you got yours grey/from a TS! You still have it?

[Vince_76]

15400 mint, black dial with papers (1 link short) - asking 30.5k

[psm11]

Originally Posted by fatcows7

was at the vach bond street (london) boutqiue the other day. Very nice team, attitude was very different from when I saw them a year ago.

Said the current waiting list was as follows for VCO (4500v) assuming you put your name on the list today
- Silver - 1 - 2 years
- Black - 2 - 5 years
- Blue - 5 years+

Guy told me the watch market was "softening" but "demand for watches at the 20k+ level isn't changing - maybe for the 5k - 10k." Said all the watches being allocated are being sold (other sources have told me this is not true)

I looked at him dead in the eye and tried not to laugh.

hopefully, we can buy blue dial at retail from the boutique soon.

What a load of sh*t haha. Prices on these have tanked. I wish you would have pulled up Moda or other grey sites showing him how (other than the blue) these are basically retail now.

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by fatcows7

was at the vach bond street (london) boutqiue the other day. Very nice team, attitude was very different from when I saw them a year ago.

Said the current waiting list was as follows for VCO (4500v) assuming you put your name on the list today
- Silver - 1 - 2 years
- Black - 2 - 5 years
- Blue - 5 years+

Guy told me the watch market was "softening" but "demand for watches at the 20k+ level isn't changing - maybe for the 5k - 10k." Said all the watches being allocated are being sold (other sources have told me this is not true)

I looked at him dead in the eye and tried not to laugh.

hopefully, we can buy blue dial at retail from the boutique soon.

I hate the attitude these sales guys have.

They should realize they are generally selling to intelligent people if the people have $ to spend on a watch.

We are capable of a 30 second Google search.

[In-N-Out]

Lol @ 5 year wait for blue 4500v when you can get it at or near retail on moda. 4500v bandwagoned off the RO and Nautilus hype. No one ever really considered the overseas to be on the same level as the other 2 except those trying to hype up the value to flip them

[Rickkk]

Originally Posted by fatcows7

was at the vach bond street (london) boutqiue the other day. Very nice team, attitude was very different from when I saw them a year ago.

Said the current waiting list was as follows for VCO (4500v) assuming you put your name on the list today
- Silver - 1 - 2 years
- Black - 2 - 5 years
- Blue - 5 years+

Guy told me the watch market was "softening" but "demand for watches at the 20k+ level isn't changing - maybe for the 5k - 10k." Said all the watches being allocated are being sold (other sources have told me this is not true)

I looked at him dead in the eye and tried not to laugh.

hopefully, we can buy blue dial at retail from the boutique soon.

There was a guy called Edward there whose head was so far up his own you know what that I forgot about vacheron completely. Shared my experience with them but they don’t care.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

Lol @ 5 year wait for blue 4500v when you can get it at or near retail on moda. 4500v bandwagoned off the RO and Nautilus hype. No one ever really considered the overseas to be on the same level as the other 2 except those trying to hype up the value to flip them

Ahem, Bullshit

[Vince_76]

Has anyone ever used LoupeThis or other auctions? Was talking to a seller and he said there are platforms to sell where seller pays no fees. Wonder what he was referring to

Also, how much do you think a fully stickered 15500 would go for?

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

Has anyone ever used LoupeThis or other auctions? Was talking to a seller and he said there are platforms to sell where seller pays no fees. Wonder what he was referring to

Also, how much do you think a fully stickered 15500 would go for?

I believe Loupethis charges $500 for seller and 10% for buyer. I haven't bought or purchased there before but did bid on something when they just launched.

[ts3]

There is watchcollecting.com who are free of charge for the seller and charge the buyer instead (around 6% depending on location / taxes). I have no personal experience but there was an interesting post by LJubel328 on page 125 of this very thread.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

Has anyone ever used LoupeThis or other auctions? Was talking to a seller and he said there are platforms to sell where seller pays no fees. Wonder what he was referring to

Also, how much do you think a fully stickered 15500 would go for?

$33k all in for "near-mint", all links, box, papers in early February.

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

$33k all in for "near-mint", all links, box, papers in early February.

Someone had a stickered one. Wanted 35k in December. Now wants 40.

Wouldn’t even do 37.5k. Lol markets just gotten worse. I don’t think it’s moving at that price. They’re sitting on chrono and steadily going down.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

Someone had a stickered one. Wanted 35k in December. Now wants 40.

Wouldn’t even do 37.5k. Lol markets just gotten worse. I don’t think it’s moving at that price. They’re sitting on chrono and steadily going down.

Lot of dealers are trying the “increase the price” trick on watches that have been sitting. Anyone that pays attention daily or even weekly knows what is up. I guess they are trying to rope in suckers? That being said one TS on here slashed a lot of his prices this week closer to reality. These guys are being squeezed out slowly by the markets.

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by Benzsiam

I was on that bid but stop at $54500 (MSRP) because I think some dealers are helping each others by make it goes higher and higher.

It seems stupid that nobody else bid after $57k but that guy kept going higher by himself, he probably was the owner of that watch and hope that somebody will go higher than him.

Chase at Nashville watch has one listed at $61 that has just been sitting for weeks

https://nashvillewatch.com/product/v...20-box-papers/

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

Chase at Nashville watch has one listed at $61 that has just been sitting for weeks

https://nashvillewatch.com/product/v...20-box-papers/

Covered in watch shells. I'd want to see how the rose / copper oxidation differences has played out before buying.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Kliminator

Still remember when you got yours grey/from a TS! You still have it?

yup, don't think i'll ever let it go unless it's for a jumbo or something one day. you still have yours?

it's my daily, although i did stop wearing it as often when they were going for like 45k lol

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by huncho

yup, don't think i'll ever let it go unless it's for a jumbo or something one day. you still have yours?

it's my daily, although i did stop wearing it as often when they were going for like 45k lol

Holding up well for a daily?

[fatcows7]

Originally Posted by psm11

What a load of sh*t haha. Prices on these have tanked. I wish you would have pulled up Moda or other grey sites showing him how (other than the blue) these are basically retail now.

Ha I know - I was looking right before I went to their shop

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

I hate the attitude these sales guys have.

They should realize they are generally selling to intelligent people if the people have $ to spend on a watch.

We are capable of a 30 second Google search.

yeah he was like - all the watches being allocated are being sold -> not true based on what I've heard from the other watch dealers on the same street

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

Lol @ 5 year wait for blue 4500v when you can get it at or near retail on moda. 4500v bandwagoned off the RO and Nautilus hype. No one ever really considered the overseas to be on the same level as the other 2 except those trying to hype up the value to flip them

Completely agree and its not just 5 year wait, its 5 year+ (their system doesn't give an estimate beyond 5 years LOL - it's like Chernobyl with 3.5 Roentgen)

Originally Posted by Rickkk

There was a guy called Edward there whose head was so far up his own you know what that I forgot about vacheron completely. Shared my experience with them but they don’t care.

Never met him but can confirm their attitudes were pretty bad a year / two years ago

Originally Posted by EEpro

Ahem, Bullshit

[messikens]

Let there be a hypothetical 5y wait-list from people who registered 2y ago during the hype and that's what the system tells them.

Watch what happens when a 4500 blue becomes available at MSRP and the boutique starts calling people when the grey price is the same or lower and folks would immediately be underwater by 5-7k. That list is gonna shrink real quick or people decide "it may just not be the good time RIGHT NOW"

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Vince_76

Holding up well for a daily?

much better than my rolexes somehow, i think there's maybe one single visible scratch on the bracelet

[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by huncho

much better than my rolexes somehow, i think there's maybe one single visible scratch on the bracelet

That was exactly my experience with my 26315 that I wore regularly for 2 years. If you are semi careful, it is not as much of a scratch magnet as people make it out to be

[Crown & Shield]

Originally Posted by In-N-Out

Lol @ 5 year wait for blue 4500v when you can get it at or near retail on moda. 4500v bandwagoned off the RO and Nautilus hype. No one ever really considered the overseas to be on the same level as the other 2 except those trying to hype up the value to flip them

Agreed, the Overseas should not be quoted in the same sentence as the Nautilus and the Royal Oak.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

That was exactly my experience with my 26315 that I wore regularly for 2 years. If you are semi careful, it is not as much of a scratch magnet as people make it out to be

definitely thought it'd be a lot worse based on all the scratch magnet comments. seems like a huge exaggeration mostly from people that haven't owned them

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by huncho

definitely thought it'd be a lot worse based on all the scratch magnet comments. seems like a huge exaggeration mostly from people that haven't owned them

Kinda like the overseas commentary.

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by huncho

much better than my rolexes somehow, i think there's maybe one single visible scratch on the bracelet

Originally Posted by NYG1121

That was exactly my experience with my 26315 that I wore regularly for 2 years. If you are semi careful, it is not as much of a scratch magnet as people make it out to be

I am definitely very cognizant and careful so this is very encouraging

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by huncho

yup, don't think i'll ever let it go unless it's for a jumbo or something one day. you still have yours?

it's my daily, although i did stop wearing it as often when they were going for like 45k lol

same here. still have it and think it'll stay. I'd honestly go for a 15300 over a jumbo / I don't personally like the lack of quick set or seconds hand despite the history behind the 15202.

That being said - the proportions of the 15450 are nice / good fit for my wrists. 39mm would work well too tho. But don't think it's worth putting out extra cash for the marginal increase in size.