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[huncho]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

I agree that heaven forbid someone gets banged up, the decision to play Philly starters would look mad in hindsight.

I’d be a no at this point just bc it is game 17 and Dickerson did it in 16, and people would potentially see any record achieved as diminished for that reason anyways. I just don’t think it’s worth the risk.

Not quite the same bc a sacred 40yo record isn’t teetering just inches in front of him, but I want to see JA17 nailed to the bench this week against NE.

If Lamar accounts for umpteen more tuddies this wknd and wins MVP over Josh, whoopdy-do, give the man his flowers, etc, but I am sure Allen would agree resting for a run towards the shiny one they’ll hand out in NOLA is more important.

Saquon can still do it with less carries than Dickerson though

Dickerson had 2105 yards on 379 attempts
Saquon currently has 2005 yards on 345 attempts

assuming he does it with less i don't think anyone will object or create excuses

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

I agree that heaven forbid someone gets banged up, the decision to play Philly starters would look mad in hindsight.

I’d be a no at this point just bc it is game 17 and Dickerson did it in 16, and people would potentially see any record achieved as diminished for that reason anyways. I just don’t think it’s worth the risk.

Not quite the same bc a sacred 40yo record isn’t teetering just inches in front of him, but I want to see JA17 nailed to the bench this week against NE.

If Lamar accounts for umpteen more tuddies this wknd and wins MVP over Josh, whoopdy-do, give the man his flowers, etc, but I am sure Allen would agree resting for a run towards the shiny one they’ll hand out in NOLA is more important.

Originally Posted by huncho

Saquon can still do it with less carries than Dickerson though

Dickerson had 2105 yards on 379 attempts
Saquon currently has 2005 yards on 345 attempts

assuming he does it with less i don't think anyone will object or create excuses

OJ held the record before Dickerson. OJ's record season was 14 games, Dickerson's was 16 games. Nobody is saying Dickerson's record doesn't mean anything because it was a longer season in 1984 than OJ had.

Belichik wanted to sit the starters in 2007, but the team wanted to go for the record. The Patriots played all their starters. Sometimes the unattainable record is more important to the spirit of a team than some perceived benefit of the rust versus rest decision.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Maleg

OJ held the record before Dickerson. OJ's record season was 14 games, Dickerson's was 16 games. Nobody is saying Dickerson's record doesn't mean anything because it was a longer season in 1984 than OJ had.

Belichik wanted to sit the starters in 2007, but the team wanted to go for the record. The Patriots played all their starters. Sometimes the unattainable record is more important to the spirit of a team than some perceived benefit of the rust versus rest decision.

yeah and Dickerson also did it on 47 more attempts

for team records though, i swear going for that is a curse. 07 pats, 16 warriors, 23 bruins, 01 mariners, etc. probably just wears teams out too much i guess. going undefeated in the nfl is insane though, i honestly don't think it'll ever be beat

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by huncho

yeah and Dickerson also did it on 47 more attempts

for team records though, i swear going for that is a curse. 07 pats, 16 warriors, 23 bruins, 01 mariners, etc. probably just wears teams out too much i guess. going undefeated in the nfl is insane though, i honestly don't think it'll ever be beat

Not this year anyways thanks to the mvp

[Krash]

Because of all the injuries and their depleted defense, It looks like Detroit has to score > 35 points in order to win a game. I’m not sure how that’s going to translate in the playoffs.

The competition is going to get better and better. Some teams will be able to score at will against them and dominate time of procession. And despite Detroit’s stellar offense, some of those same teams will be a lot more stiff on the defensive side of the ball than SF.

But we’ll see…


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[MickCollins1916]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Not this year anyways thanks to the mvp

THIS

Originally Posted by Krash

Because of all the injuries and their depleted defense, It looks like Detroit has to score > 35 points in order to win a game. I’m not sure how that’s going to translate in the playoffs.

The competition is going to get better and better. Some teams will be able to score at will against them and dominate time of procession. And despite Detroit’s stellar offense, some of those same teams will be a lot more stiff on the defensive side of the ball than SF.

But we’ll see…


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Bills’ D was in a somewhat similar boat until recently…if the Bills-Lions game was a Super Bowl preview, it sure would be fun to watch. But it would be nice for both teams to be able to stop the other guys once in awhile.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

THIS




Bills’ D was in a somewhat similar boat until recently…if the Bills-Lions game was a Super Bowl preview, it sure would be fun to watch. But it would be nice for both teams to be able to stop the other guys once in awhile.

If the Lions lose to Minnesota this week, and fall to the #5 seed, I honestly don’t think they could beat any team they’ll face in the playoffs. No team needs the one week bye and home field advantage more than the Lions. Even with the home field advantage and one week bye, I think they could be one and done.


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[MickCollins1916]

Lions have had a helluva season and are set up for long-term success, but man, you’re right - their injury list on D might be too much to overcome. I’m rooting for them to continue to do well and for the best of luck in the playoffs.

[huncho]

[Fowler] Eagles plan to rest key starters Sunday vs. New York, including Saquon Barkley, per league sources. Resting up for playoffs. Barkley set to finish the year 100 yards shy of Eric Dickerson’s all-time rushing record of 2,105 yards.

disappointing

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by huncho

[Fowler] Eagles plan to rest key starters Sunday vs. New York, including Saquon Barkley, per league sources. Resting up for playoffs. Barkley set to finish the year 100 yards shy of Eric Dickerson’s all-time rushing record of 2,105 yards.

disappointing

Shefty reported it just now. They are sitting all the starters. No sense of history. They better win it all, or this will be remembered as an epically bad decision.

[twitch54]

Originally Posted by Maleg

Shefty reported it just now. They are sitting all the starters. No sense of history. They better win it all, or this will be remembered as an epically bad decision.

Not really, you're simply putting 'hindsight' into the equation ahead of time. Barkley stated on the news the other night, the bigger prize lies ahead in Feb. Besides why risk injury to a half-baked organization that traded him away !

[Krash]

Glad to see they made a decision based on logic, not emotion.


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[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by huncho

[Fowler] Eagles plan to rest key starters Sunday vs. New York, including Saquon Barkley, per league sources. Resting up for playoffs. Barkley set to finish the year 100 yards shy of Eric Dickerson’s all-time rushing record of 2,105 yards.

disappointing

That IS disappointing. As an Eagles fan, and being familiar with Saquon’s career, he deserves the opportunity to break the record. I say “play him”, especially since it’s the Giants!

Kat


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[Krash]

I think it was Buddy Ryan that once said, “if you do what the fans want, you’ll end up sitting with them.”


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[Boothroyd]

Given it is 17 game season now and Dickerson did it in a 16 game season, does it really matter if he plays or not? A lot of records are like this of course. At some point it will be a 18 game season, then a 20 game season, and the current record book can be thrown away.

[twitch54]

Originally Posted by Boothroyd

Given it is 17 game season now and Dickerson did it in a 16 game season, does it really matter if he plays or not? A lot of records are like this of course. At some point it will be a 18 game season, then a 20 game season, and the current record book can be thrown away.

and OJ rushed for 2000 in 14 games, look at Barkleys 'touches' vs Dickerson...

[Krash]

Originally Posted by twitch54

and OJ rushed for 2000 in 14 games, look at Barkleys 'touches' vs Dickerson...

Yep, the fact that Barkley would do it with less carries negates the discussion about 17 games vs 16 games.

Either way, as a die hard Eagles fan and former season ticket holder, I’d be absolutely psssssst if they suited up everyone this weekend for that record.

Glad to see logic prevail over emotion. This is the NFL, not the girls scouts. lol


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[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Krash

I think it was Buddy Ryan that once said, “if you do what the fans want, you’ll end up sitting with them.”


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Hahahajahaha , reminds me of the old Coach Jerry Glanville saying “The NFL stand for ‘Not For Long’.” The heart wants him to go for it, but the brain says to save him, and the rest of the team for the playoff run. Getting reps for the 2nd and 3rd string guys is a big plus too.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Krash

Yep, the fact that Barkley would do it with less carries negates the discussion about 17 games vs 16 games.

Either way, as a die hard Eagles fan and former season ticket holder, I’d be absolutely psssssst if they suited up everyone this weekend for that record.

Glad to see logic prevail over emotion. This is the NFL, not the girls scouts. lol


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Also a diehard Eagles fan, and I know logically you are right, but being a female, I suppose I’m looking at it more from an emotional standpoint. I’m really hoping they get to the SB, but there are a few teams that I think are more likely to get there. Hurts, though very good, can be hot and cold. He’s a bit “like a box of chocolates……”

Kat


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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Krash

Yep, the fact that Barkley would do it with less carries negates the discussion about 17 games vs 16 games.

Either way, as a die hard Eagles fan and former season ticket holder, I’d be absolutely psssssst if they suited up everyone this weekend for that record.

Glad to see logic prevail over emotion. This is the NFL, not the girls scouts. lol


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The rust versus rest argument is not settled science. The data is decidedly mixed. Resting the team can be a disaster if they are rolling full steam and suddenly come to a screeching halt. It's an emotional game, players are at their best when on an emotional rush (look at the Lions swagger). Sitting Barkley is a wet blanket for him, the o-line, and any swagger the team would have carried into the playoffs.

Throwing away a chance to be part of NFL lore for a coin toss on the rust risk is a dumb decision in my opinion. Saquon agrees. Once he slept on it he knew he wanted the record. Will the icey business decision bring the train to a screeching halt? We'll find out. But for certain, a once in a generation opportunity was lost.

[huncho]

it's the right thing to do from a manager's perspective but i still disagree with it

i'm also not sold on rest weeks. every time i see a high seed play after their bye week/round they look terrible, it's most evident in baseball than other sports though i think. there's a fine line with rest though, you can't risk getting anyone injured in a meaningless week but at the same time rust is a real thing this late into the season

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Maleg

The rust versus rest argument is not settled science. The data is decidedly mixed. Resting the team can be a disaster if they are rolling full steam and suddenly come to a screeching halt. It's an emotional game, players are at their best when on an emotional rush (look at the Lions swagger). Sitting Barkley is a wet blanket for him, the o-line, and any swagger the team would have carried into the playoffs.

Throwing away a chance to be part of NFL lore for a coin toss on the rust risk is a dumb decision in my opinion. Saquon agrees. Once he slept on it he knew he wanted the record. Will the icey business decision bring the train to a screeching halt? We'll find out. But for certain, a once in a generation opportunity was lost.

It’s a matter of risk mitigation. It doesn’t guarantee anything. It just serves to eliminate, limit, or prevent anything from going wrong (i.e., injuries). They could still lose or they could win.


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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Krash

It’s a matter of risk mitigation. It doesn’t guarantee anything. It just serves to eliminate, limit, or prevent anything from going wrong (i.e., injuries). They could still lose or they could win.


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That's an excellent board room strategy.

Originally Posted by huncho

it's the right thing to do from a manager's perspective but i still disagree with it

i'm also not sold on rest weeks. every time i see a high seed play after their bye week/round they look terrible, it's most evident in baseball than other sports though i think. there's a fine line with rest though, you can't risk getting anyone injured in a meaningless week but at the same time rust is a real thing this late into the season

Agree.

There's a difference between managing and leading. Managers implement strategies to minimize risk. Leaders inspire the team to be better than they are. Great coaches do both well. Recognizing the moment of high influence and exploiting it to inspire the team to rise to the next level is good leadership. Sitting the starters is good management.

[Krash]

Cam Jurgens, the guy drafted to replace future hall-of-famer Jason Kelce, was named first team pro bowler. That’s a big win. I think he was a 3rd or 4th round pick. That’s what good teams do.


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[Jets_fan44]

There's a difference between managing and leading. Managers implement strategies to minimize risk. Leaders inspire the team to be better than they are. Great coaches do both well. Recognizing the moment of high influence and exploiting it to inspire the team to rise to the next level is good leadership. Sitting the starters is good management.[/QUOTE]

The JETS need both, managers and leaders. What a dumpster fire of a season.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Jets_fan44

The JETS need both, managers and leaders. What a dumpster fire of a season.

The Jets caved to Rogers on his every whim and the results were predictable. There's a reason Green Bay didn't want him around their building anymore. The Jets not only didn't get a championship, they destroyed one of the best defenses in the league. Rogers set them back five years.

[brandrea]

Not sure this is the right place to post this but it’s on topic I guess …

I just thought I’d say our son had his first NFL game experience at his favourite team’s home field.

He and his buddies made the 11 hour road trip and had the time of their lives!

As a result I have a new NFC team to cheer for





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[MickCollins1916]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Not sure this is the right place to post this but it’s on topic I guess …

I just thought I’d say our son had his first NFL game experience at his favourite team’s home field.

He and his buddies made the 11 hour road trip and had the time of their lives!

As a result I have a new NFC team to cheer for





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That’s fantastic! Cool pics.

I’m glad they had a blast and from what I have heard, no better place to make such a pilgrimage to (with the obvious exception of Orchard Park, NY, but hey, I am openly biased).

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by MickCollins1916

That’s fantastic! Cool pics.

I’m glad they had a blast and from what I have heard, no better place to make such a pilgrimage to (with the obvious exception of Orchard Park, NY, but hey, I am openly biased).

The boys were super impressed with just how friendly everyone was as well! I guess the tailgate was something else




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[MickCollins1916]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The boys were super impressed with just how friendly everyone was as well! I guess the tailgate was something else




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Ha! I love that. Back in the day, I’d have been right there with them.

Amazing what kind of experience you can have at a stadium where the fans just love football and having a good time.