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[INC]

Another interesting race with somewhat surprising winners. So far, this weekend has been lucky for several drivers! It's been a fairy tale weekend so far, I hope there will be some surprise tomorrow as well.

Anyway, I'd be interested to see what happened to Max because I think his car was definitely a lot slower from about halfway through the race. Maybe some debris ruined his race? I think, the wheel alone couldn't have caused him to slow down so much. Anyhow, this was an unusual mistake from Red Bull and somewhat incomprehensible after Checco raced on the soft wheels.

[77T]

Most entertaining sprint. This is what fans like to see on a weekend - more racing.

With the Junior F’s not racing this weekend (their last race is Abu Dhabi), and only Porsche Cup at Brazil, having the big guns on track - and being generally careful - we saw a lot of overtaking.

Now waiting to see the result of HAM, RIC and ZHO being investigated for alleged grid box infringements. Been busy already.



A warning for GAS, STR already had his 10 sec applied during race, ALO got 5 sec after the race for colliding with ALB - that’ll put him 18th on the grid tomorrow.

Now the front row is in play if HAM is dinged.

Waiting…


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[enjoythemusic]

Agree, great Sprint Race... Brazil always pleases.

Plus a few shots of Cafe Do Ponto espresso and you're all set

[Andad]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

And whoever are those people who say that, let's get their arse into a F1 seat and see how THEY do. Agree, it's no fluke as he got out there and did the best on track.

(Deep sigh) Yeah.... man-o-man, many of us truly wanted Michael's kid to... and hopefully we see more of Mick within other racing leagues / events in the future... or whatever MICK wants to do with his life that brings him / his family happiness

Part Quote:

“The remarkable prospect of Magnussen on pole became more likely when Russell beached his Mercedes, bringing out the red flags, the Briton P3 at the time. The rain began to fall heavier, suggesting that, when the session resumed, times would not improve.”
Cue amused and anxious faces in the Haas garage – and a “you’re ******* kidding” message from the flabbergasted Dane when told his position.


Paul said that some may think it was a fluke even though it was unsaid?
It seems that Magnussen thought so.

Based on your comment should we only allow F1 drivers to post on this thread?

It ended up as a great win for Russell.

[77T]

Originally Posted by 77T

Most entertaining sprint. This is what fans like to see on a weekend - more racing.

With the Junior F’s not racing this weekend (their last race is Abu Dhabi), and only Porsche Cup at Brazil, having the big guns on track - and being generally careful - we saw a lot of overtaking.

Now waiting to see the result of HAM, RIC and ZHO being investigated for alleged grid box infringements. Been busy already.



A warning for GAS, STR already had his 10 sec applied during race, ALO got 5 sec after the race for colliding with ALB - that’ll put him 18th on the grid tomorrow.

Now the front row is in play if HAM is dinged.

Waiting…


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An update on the RD referral in re: Grid.

“The Stewards reviewed the start sequence, as it was observed that multiple cars were potentially out of their grid box in violation of Article 8.6.1.a) of the FIA International Sporting Code, being either to the left or right of the grid box. Having reviewed all available angles of video, and making measurements on the grid, the Stewards noted that the grid boxes were slightly smaller than usual and that the drivers’ visibility makes compliance extremely difficult and that no driver was in a position that gained any advantage. The Stewards are therefore satisfied to take no further action.”

So tomorrow’s provisional:




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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Andad

Based on your comment should we only allow F1 drivers to post on this thread?

Wait, we have a choice?

Paul, can you get all the F1 drivers to post on this thread. Let's all now humbly turn this thread over to the drivers. She's all yours Paul

[77T]

Umm yeah…I’ll alert the press agents.

Well, as the Media Delegate might say in the local dialect, “sem muito gosto”.

Fat Chance in forum speak


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[enjoythemusic]

LOL... A truly great reply Paul as am literally LOL'ing.

Go have another Cafe Do Ponto espresso and enjoy today's race

[77T]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

LOL... A truly great reply Paul as am literally LOL'ing.

Go have another Cafe Do Ponto espresso and enjoy today's race

I’m not in Sao Paulo but the race should be interesting.

PIA ink is dry - McLaren gets what they wanted - Otmar, be careful what you ask for…


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[SDGT3]

Loved the hard but fair racing between RUS and VER. These young guns are all so talented. If only Ocon and Stroll were as fair with their teammates... WOW Congrats to RUS on his maiden win albeit a Sprint race. His GP win will come. Also congrats to the Mercedes designers, engineers and mechanics, the car is definitely on pace now as compared to earlier this season and looks to be a methodical clawing to the front of the grid.

I'm wondering if Max's floor was damaged when he hit the debris. The pace just went way down after he reported he hit something and before the touch with Saitz. Can't find anything on the news wire to confirm or deny undercarriage damage however.

Should be a good race and we'll see with both Mercs on the front row with Max right behind them if the pace is real.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

I'm wondering if Max's floor was damaged when he hit the debris. The pace just went way down after he reported he hit something and before the touch with Saitz. Can't find anything on the news wire to confirm or deny undercarriage damage however.

Here ya go:
Red Bull Racing RBPT:
Car 1
-Forward tailpipe section Turbo heatshield
-Gearbox tailpipe heatshield
-Headrest
-Front wing/nose assembly

Car 11
-Rear transponder loom connector
-RNC gearbox assembly (previously used RNC)
-Gearbox control hydraulics
-Gearbox torque sensor
-LHS and RHS outboard rear suspension assemblies
-LHS and RHS outboard rear brake duct assemblies
-Parameter changes associated with the RNC and control hydraulic replacement


TSU made changes that puts him starting on pitlane:
The front wing/nose assembly and the rear wing are of a different specification to that which was used previously. Changes have also been made to the setup of the suspension.

Lots of other changes on team cars…


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[SDGT3]

Excellent. Thank you Paul and your secret undercover marshal contacts

[77T]

You’re welcome.

Now just for the avoidance of doubt, I never share anything that isn’t publicly available.


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[77T]

[enjoythemusic]

Oh man, poor MAG. From the thrill of victory to the agony of defeat.

[INC]

The fairy tale turned into a nightmare. MAG destroyed. Ham knocked VER out of the race once more, but he was lucky again, and was able to continue. But to punish Ver for Ham's clear fault? This was something brand new kind of undeserved help for Ham to win a race in this year. I think this is a great example of the races what makes a lot of people... hmmm... dislike Ham.

However and at least Rus didn't hand over the victory, which is a really good thing. He really deserved this success, so I think that today he is the only one who really deserves the congratulations.

[Mifune]

Good on Russel... i knew he had it in him.

Alonso is still a badarse

[77T]

Originally Posted by INC

But to punish Ver for Ham's clear fault? This was something brand new kind of undeserved help for Ham to win a race in this year.

Not really the Stewards’ role to let this driver or that driver to win a race.

Yes, HAM could have left a bit more room in T2, but VER could have never made a pass stick there based on where he was, and couldn’t have stayed on track after T2 apex.

It’s a hard lesson but all the drivers know that the responsibility rests with the following driver to complete a pass. Once the outside attempt failed (VER actually fell behind after T1 apex) the apex at T2 eliminated VER ability to make a pass stick there.




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[77T]

Originally Posted by Mifune

Good on Russel... i knew he had it in him.

Alonso is still a badarse

Definitely!


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[bibbi]

Ver showed his real face. He takes after his father. And after his father-in-law in-spe. What a champion of a**holes.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Ver showed his real face. He takes after his father. And after his father-in-law in-spe. What a champion of a**holes.

I have to agree. Perez has always known his place in the team dynamic and hasn’t asked for too much, (granted I am admittedly a Perez fan).

For a while I always sort of defended Verstappen and sort of just chucked a lot of what he has said and done in the past as just sort of the competitive nature of drivers. It has seemed for a while he had avoided the absolute trashy attitude of his family, but it seems to have carried down fairly well now. I guess it was always pending.

At first it didn’t bother me too much but the more I think about it what a turd bag Verstappen is.

[2001jesper]

Don't hope that Checo will be Verstappen's secret santa - Would suspect no gifts (neither on nor off track from here)

[dba]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Ver showed his real face.

Exactly. He's already WC; what does it hurt to slow down and move over for Checo?

[Rad22]

This was an amazing race. I really can’t believe Verstapen. Won the championship and still a whiny big baby. He is incredibly hypocritical in his post race interview in both his collision with Hamilton and his decision to not let Perez pass.


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[rolexpatek363]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQyJFs4G8xs

Max Crashstappen crashes into Lewis deliberately, then does the dirty on Sergio. What a manchild.

[1st amg]

Soooooo...I respected Max for his F1 championship last year and for this year's contest. But, to hear him over the radio speak to team members in a tone with condescending authoritative way and not give one ounce of respect to the team bosses just shows us that he puts himself before the team. He does not give a $hit about his team and I for one have lost all respect for him. Too bad.

[denmanproject]

Lost a lot of respect for Max today, by letting Perez through would have been not only the better decision for the team it would have built some respect and loyalty between team mates. Bad form Max

Charles pleading with the team was kind of sad, Carlos deserved that podium today

[SDGT3]

What a spicy race!!

Congratulations to George Russell on what appears to be a near perfect weekend. Maximum points earned (34) for Sprint, GP and fastest lap and surviving 2 SC and 1 VSC period. He won on pure pace and merit.

Question... how is it that Max is able to race side by side, hard but fair with George Russell the previous day, Charles LeClerc and others throughout the 2022 season, but the moment he and Hamilton are W2W, there's always contact? Based on the video and photographic evidence coupled with how a former F1 driver who broadcasts the race saw it, it's pretty clear that Hamilton did not leave Max racing room but doesn't care because he's got nothing to lose.



Other observations: Norris pulled a "Ramilton" and punted LeClerc who had such a heavy crash that it appeared he might be out but managed to climb from dead last to P4.
But my driver of the day was Fernando Alonso from P17 to P5 in the Alpine. I've seen a lot of great athletes try and make a comeback after retirement, Michael Schumacher, Kimi, Michael Jordan, Brett Favre, but none have been as near to their prime as Fernando. At 41 he just might be driving better than he ever has in a car that doesn't belong as high as he put it.

The British media... Geez, the way they were carrying on after the race you would have thought that Mercedes just won the 2022 championship... the bias towards Hamilton and that team is just too much. It was as if George Russell was an honorable mention and that Mercedes and Lewis were the heros... Let's not forget that George Russell is new to the team in his first year and will most likely beat Lewis over a full 22 race season with a full 25 pt lead with 1 race to go.

Finally, Max. He had a bad weekend starting shortly after hitting the debris on track whilst leading the sprint race and then the contact with Hamilton only to be dead last and coming back up to P6. He should have given the spot back to Perez considering what Perez has meant to the team. I understand there was something Perez did during Monaco qualifying that was shady, but the radio message back to the team was in very poor form. It's very Vettel/Webber, Multi21 and the radio message could have been handled off track. Not a good look at all.

[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

Not really the Stewards’ role to let this driver or that driver to win a race.

First of all, thanks for sharing this document. And yes, you're right, they really shouldn't act like this, but they do if they can give a surplus for Ham.

I think the minimum in such a case would be to treat this case as a racing accident, since their own document proves that both drivers were involved in the accident and it was directly caused by Ham pulling the steering wheel on Ver. From this point of view, what happened before is irrelevant, because what happened before didn't cause any accident, and if Ham had been fair, there would not have been an accident afterwards. His maneuvering was deliberate and not accidental, serving only one purpose, to prevent Ver from being able to overtake him. And he dared to do all this because he was aware that he would not be punished for this either.

Ver was better than him and he couldn't stand it this time either, just as he had never been able to stand someone being better than him in the past two years. Therefore it was a good to see that Russel doesn't allowed him to win this race.

What's more, it's even "ridiculous" that those who caused a much bigger collision got so much, so the punishment was even disproportionate.

Originally Posted by dba

Exactly. He's already WC; what does it hurt to slow down and move over for Checo?

His 4 second(!) lead over Perez. It was mixed up by RBT. They should have been immediately ask VER to slow down and let Checco overtake him, and in the same time ask him to defend this position. After VER got the message first to chase the others and much later to let Checco overtake him, he had not even a mile to manage this. This means, if he would like to obey, he would have stop(!) his car to let Checco overtake him. And this could lead to a penalty for dangerously slow driving on the racetrack.

However, let me see, who was the one who mentioned that the very same thing happened with the LEC+SAI team? Leclerc begged for the position and nothing happened. But as it was not Ver, nobody bothers himself with this case.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by INC

both drivers were involved in the accident and it was directly caused by Ham pulling the steering wheel on Ver. From this point of view, what happened before is irrelevant, because what happened before didn't cause any accident,

Hilarious wriggling. Crashtappen was behind and Hamilton took the apex. Mr Crashy should have backed out.