32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

Hmm, it didn't really change the results for me. Still the same poor results on my 126610LV.

You have not posted the results for 5 positions.

[rbndylan]

Originally Posted by saxo3

No idea, do the following:

- Full winding (40+ full crown turns)
- Place the watch in DU onto your timegrapher
- Crown in contact with the microphone
- No scotch between microphone and crown
- Wait 15 min
- Measure all 5 positions (DU, 6U, 9U, 3U, DD)
- 2 min/position data taking
- 2 min stabilisation after each position change
- Takes about 15 + 5x4 = 35 min
- Post the results

Hello saxo, I do it every time. Just I found this behaviour strange

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Hello saxo, I do it every time. Just I found this behaviour strange

Maybe show us the 5-position data from today and 5 days ago?

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Hello, I've already posted on this thread, I was globally around 260 in DU position. I've been wearing my OP for 3 months without it stopping. She generally loses between 1 and 1.5 a day. 5 days ago, I tested again in full wind and put her on the Weishi, I had DU 260 and 0s. And today, after reassembling it completely as it had emptied, I put it directly on the Weishi and observed DU -2.2 and 227. How is this possible? Should I leave the watch running for a while before putting it on the Weishi? Thanks for your feedback

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

You have not posted the results for 5 positions.

What do the position abbreviations stand for? I’ll post them if I know.


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

What do the position abbreviations stand for? I’ll post them if I know.

DU: dial up
6U: 6 up
9U: 9 up
3U: 3 up
DD: dial down
These are the 5 positions when the watch is resting on the timegrapher.

"up" means direction to the ceiling of your room

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

"up" means direction to the ceiling of your room

Thorough. Good of you to clarify.

[free.spring]

Originally Posted by rbndylan

Hello, I've already posted on this thread, I was globally around 260 in DU position. I've been wearing my OP for 3 months without it stopping. She generally loses between 1 and 1.5 a day. 5 days ago, I tested again in full wind and put her on the Weishi, I had DU 260 and 0s. And today, after reassembling it completely as it had emptied, I put it directly on the Weishi and observed DU -2.2 and 227. How is this possible? Should I leave the watch running for a while before putting it on the Weishi? Thanks for your feedback

Hi,

I've also noticed this phenomenon with a few watches (not necessarily Rolexes).

I suppose the system that prevents excessive manual winding has a small tolerance. Sometimes there's just a little too much energy, so the amplitude is greater, so the watch is slow.

To be confirmed by experts…

[indeuce]

I am in the market for a gold watch and the 126715chnr was in the running. But after reading this, I will hold off. I don't want to spend over 40k and have to deal with this problem. This issue is such a bummer, I really hope Rolex provides a real fix and not a band-aid soon. I'm glad my current set of Rolex watches are all 31xx and have been fine. I guess I'll be revisiting the Omega Moonshine Gold green dial.

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

DU: dial up
6U: 6 up
9U: 9 up
3U: 3 up
DD: dial down
These are the 5 positions when the watch is resting on the timegrapher.

"up" means direction to the ceiling of your room

Hahaha, thank you sir. I’ll get those for you today.


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[jdp12199]

Hoping someone can give me inisght on how my 3285 is running on my GMT II that was purchased in Jan 2021.

I didn't put it on a timergrapher but did sync it to the atomic clock and this is the info I gathered:

11/14 9pm +-0
11/15 9am +-0
11/15 9pm -3.5
11/16 9am -3.5
11/16 9pm -5.5
11/17 9am -6
11/17 9pm -9
11/18 9am -11
11/18 9pm -14
11/19 9am -15
11/19 9pm -18
11/20 9am -19.5
11/20 9pm - 23
11/21 9am -24
11/21 9pm -27
11/22 9am -29.5


I started tracking 3 days after the watch was fully wound and worn on the wrist for about 9 hours a day.

The watch seems to consistently lose 3-4 sec but only when on the wrist. I left the watch dial up every night and it almost never lost time overnight. The watch never gains time.

Is this an amplitude issue or regulation?

Thanks!

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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by jdp12199

Is this an amplitude issue or regulation?

11/15 9am +-0
11/22 9am -29.5
The average is about -4.2 s/d.

If that would be my watch I would either buy a timegrapher or get it measured by someone. It would not surprise me if this 3285 movement has too low amplitudes in vertical positions (3U, 6U, 9U).

[jdp12199]

Originally Posted by saxo3

11/15 9am +-0
11/22 9am -29.5
The average is about -4.2 s/d.

If that would be my watch I would either buy a timegrapher or get it measured by someone. It would not surprise me if this 3285 movement has too low amplitudes in vertical positions (3U, 6U, 9U).

How would Rolex Service Center remedy the issue if it did have low amplitude?

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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by jdp12199

How would Rolex Service Center remedy the issue if it did have low amplitude?

Complete dismantling and service of the movement.

[Toshk]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Complete dismantling and service of the movement.

But then it happens again! Unless they lied about the full service.. and just regulated it.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by saxo3

DU: dial up
6U: 6 up
9U: 9 up
3U: 3 up
DD: dial down
These are the 5 positions when the watch is resting on the timegrapher.

"up" means direction to the ceiling of your room

Originally Posted by htrap2294

Hahaha, thank you sir. I’ll get those for you today.

Are you still looking for the ceiling in the Metaverse?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Toshk

But then it happens again! Unless they lied about the full service.. and just regulated it.

Nonsense (kind of)
A watch with very low amplitudes and negative rates (after full winding) can NOT to be regulated and appear "good".
If you would have a timegrapher you could have controlled before/after RSC service.

Originally Posted by Toshk

They said a full service was completed on the one I sent in back in October last year. Came back working 4 seconds fast a day. When I took it back the second time they could not explain what exactly full service involved. After the second RSC procedure it was working at 1 second slow a day before I sold it.

Had an Explorer II for about a week recently. It was running about 1 second slow.

Based on this post, you claim that the RSC lied and did not service but regulated your watch?

How much time was between the first and second RSC service?
Did you wear the watch during this period?

[Toshk]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Nonsense (kind of)
A watch with very low amplitudes and negative rates (after full winding) can NOT to be regulated and appear "good".
If you would have a timegrapher you could have controlled before/after RSC service.


Based on this post, you claim that the RSC lied and did not service but regulated your watch?
How much time was between the first and second RSC service?
Did you wear the watch during this period?

Yes, I still think they only regulated it. The answer about full service just felt too templated. Tue lady didn’t know any details etc.

I wore the watch 24/7 indeed.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Toshk

Yes, I still think they only regulated it. The answer about full service just felt too templated. Tue lady didn’t know any details etc.

I wore the watch 24/7 indeed.

Thanks for your quick answer!
That was RSC in London?
How much time between the first and second RSC intervention?

[Toshk]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks for your quick answer!
That was RSC in London?
How much time between the first and second RSC intervention?

No worries at all. RSC London yes.

Think I took it back after a week. Then sold it.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Toshk

No worries at all. RSC London yes.

Think I took it back after a week. Then sold it.

[Mulligan]

Recently purchased a 228238 and it is running 8-16 seconds slow per 24 hour period.

Timegraph tests:




Dial up
-1 / -2
232
0.0

6 up
-1 / -2
191
0.3

9 up
-7 / +12
174
0.5

3 up
-16 / -20
159
0.0

Dial Down
+2 / +3
241
0.1

[JBoone]

I am 3.5 years out from full service and mine is 8 seconds slow per day. DJ41

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Mulligan

Recently purchased a 228238 and it is running 8-16 seconds slow per 24 hour period.

Timegraph tests:




Dial up
-1 / -2
232
0.0

6 up
-1 / -2
191
0.3

9 up
-7 / +12
174
0.5

3 up
-16 / -20
159
0.0

Dial Down
+2 / +3
241
0.1

The Ref. 228232 is a Day-Date with a 3255 caliber.

When exactly did you buy it?
New and first owner?
Did you do a full winding with 40 (or more) full crown turns?

Your timegrapher amplitudes in vertical positions are "shocking" low for a new (?) watch with fully wound 3255 caliber.
Hard to believe!

[Mulligan]

Originally Posted by saxo3

The Ref. 228232 is a Day-Date with a 3255 caliber.

When exactly did you buy it?
New and first owner?
Did you do a full winding with 40 (or more) full crown turns?

Your timegrapher amplitudes in vertical positions are "shocking" low for a new (?) watch with fully wound 3255 caliber.
Hard to believe!

Sorry, should have been more clear...

I bought it used - it is 3 years old.

I did do a full winding before testing and waited two minutes after changing the positions to allow it to settle.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Mulligan

Sorry, should have been more clear...

I bought it used - it is 3 years old.

I did do a full winding before testing and waited two minutes after changing the positions to allow it to settle.

Thanks. One of the few 3255 watches I have seen with the standard 32xx problems.

Luckily your watch is still within the 5-year warranty period.

Your timegrapher analysis would have been very interesting when (before) you bought the watch …

[Exp2]

Hello! First post on the forums for me here :)

The measurements I will present here are from a 2021 DJ that is wore almost everyday since 2021 by my wife. And my Explorer II 226570 that I use on vacation,
total wrist time for the explorer is under 3months.


15min past full wind
Values observed during a 2min span, then position change and 2min rest b4 a 2min observation

What is the protocol to snatch a value and not a group of values observed ?

2021 DJ
DU +1s/d 271 and 0s/d 275 beat error 0/0.1ms
6U 0s/d 233 beat error 0.2ms
9U -1s/d 233 -3s/d 231 -4s/d 219 (briefly -5s/d 219)
Beat error 0.3ms constant
DD +2s/d 268 to 275 beat error 0.1ms constant

2021 explorer II
DU constant +3s/d 284 to 288 (briefly +4s/d 289) 0.3ms
6U fluctuating from 0s/d 226 to +2s/d 234 and back briefly -1s/d 224 0.3ms constant
9U -1s/d 226 -2s/d 223 0s/d 230 (briefly +1s/d 233) 0.4ms constant
DD +4s/d 275 +3s/d 270 0.3ms constant

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Mulligan

Sorry, should have been more clear...

I bought it used - it is 3 years old.

I did do a full winding before testing and waited two minutes after changing the positions to allow it to settle.

I would wait until right after the first of the year and send it directly to the Long Island RSC. Mine took exactly 4 weeks. Good luck.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Exp2

Hello! First post on the forums for me here :)

The measurements I will present here are from a 2021 DJ that is wore almost everyday since 2021 by my wife. And my Explorer II 226570 that I use on vacation,
total wrist time for the explorer is under 3months.


15min past full wind
Values observed during a 2min span, then position change and 2min rest b4 a 2min observation

What is the protocol to snatch a value and not a group of values observed ?

2021 DJ
DU +1s/d 271 and 0s/d 275 beat error 0/0.1ms
6U 0s/d 233 beat error 0.2ms
9U -1s/d 233 -3s/d 231 -4s/d 219 (briefly -5s/d 219)
Beat error 0.3ms constant
DD +2s/d 268 to 275 beat error 0.1ms constant

2021 explorer II
DU constant +3s/d 284 to 288 (briefly +4s/d 289) 0.3ms
6U fluctuating from 0s/d 226 to +2s/d 234 and back briefly -1s/d 224 0.3ms constant
9U -1s/d 226 -2s/d 223 0s/d 230 (briefly +1s/d 233) 0.4ms constant
DD +4s/d 275 +3s/d 270 0.3ms constant

"Welcome to the Pleasuredome"
For a better overview and analysis it would help to summarize your data in one table for each watch.

[Exp2]

Originally Posted by saxo3

"Welcome to the Pleasuredome"
For a better overview and analysis it would help to summarize your data in one table for each watch.

I am sorry, i can’t I really don’t know how to do a table on the forums post editor.

I will use the same form as everyone else I’ve seen posting before me.

I can explain if something is not clear to you.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Exp2

I am sorry, i can’t I really don’t know how to do a table on the forums post editor.

I will use the same form as everyone else I’ve seen posting before me.

I can explain if something is not clear to you.

Create a table on your computer and upload a screenshot or photo; below a compilation of your data: