32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Exp2]

Allright cool
Thanks for the tip, i will do this with the 24h data in some days.

Althought i need to do 8 more posts in order to be able to post liks, atm the forum is blocking this option for me.

Whats your input on how they run ?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Exp2

Allright cool
Thanks for the tip, i will do this with the 24h data in some days.

Althought i need to do 8 more posts in order to be able to post liks, atm the forum is blocking this option for me.

Whats your input on how they run ?

Instable rate and amplitude readings are not so good for data interpretation. The data set is not complete, only 3U is missing. A photo showing your watch resting on the timegrapher might be helpful too.

Which timegrapher model do you use and what are the timegrapher settings for lift angle and measuring period?

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Are you still looking for the ceiling in the Metaverse?

My bad, after that comment I was on a business trip in Boulder and then Tokyo whilst in the process of closing on a house as well. Life got to me, I apologize!

Here are the stats in the order you specified.






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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

My bad, after that comment I was on a business trip in Boulder and then Tokyo whilst in the process of closing on a house as well. Life got to me, I apologize!

Here are the stats in the order you specified.

Nice, now you ask me to read your photos, summarize the data in a table, and interpret your results?

I see that (a) the chosen lift angle (55 degrees) is wrong (b) you measured in 12U position instead of 9U (c) 6U is not measured with the correct angle (second photo).

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Nice, now you ask me to read your photos, summarize the data in a table, and interpret your results?

I see that (a) the chosen lift angle (55 degrees) is wrong (b) you measured in 12U position instead of 9U (c) 6U is not measured with the correct angle (second photo).

I wasn’t sure if you wanted the pictures or if you wanted written stats. I’ll do those for you.

I selected 55 degrees instead of 53 because a few watchmakers told me to measure them at 55. I’ll retake measurements with 53 amplitude.


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[saxo3]

This should be 6U but your photo suggest it is the wrong angle, some position between DU and 6U?

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

DU: dial up
6U: 6 up
9U: 9 up
3U: 3 up
DD: dial down
These are the 5 positions when the watch is resting on the timegrapher.

"up" means direction to the ceiling of your room

Here are the results at 53 degrees amplitude.

DU: -8s/d 217 degree amplitude.
6U: -6s/d 200 degree amplitude.
9U: -20s/d 171 degree amplitude.
3U: -24s/d 161 degree amplitude.
DD: -1s/d 252 degree amplitude.

Beat error fluctuated between 0.0ms to 0.1ms the entire time.

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

This should be 6U but your photo suggest it is the wrong angle, some position between DU and 6U?

I corrected that in latest measurements for you. I don't think the measurements look promising at all.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

Here are the results at 53 degrees amplitude.

DU: -8s/d 217 degree amplitude.
6U: -6s/d 200 degree amplitude.
9U: -20s/d 171 degree amplitude.
3U: -24s/d 161 degree amplitude.
DD: -1s/d 252 degree amplitude.

Beat error fluctuated between 0.0ms to 0.1ms the entire time.

Wow!!!

These numbers were measured after full winding?

Please remind me which watch plus caliber and how old the timepiece is. Thanks!

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Wow!!!
These numbers were measured after full winding! Please remind me which watch plus caliber and how old the timepiece is. Thanks!

Yes, this is on a full wind. I purchased the timepiece (126610LV MK1) on July 21st, 2022 brand new at an authorized dealer. Prior to August/October 2023, I recall it running around -2 seconds per day on wrist. I stopped wearing it for a while because I gave some new life to my 16613LB and was enjoying that + a Seiko I bought in Tokyo for a bit. When I started wearing it again, the timing went to crap. It only sat for around a month or so?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

Yes, this is on a full wind. I purchased the timepiece on July 21st, 2022 brand new at an authorized dealer. Prior to October 2023, I recall it running around -2 seconds per day on wrist.

Thanks.

I think your data need no sophisticated analysis. This 32xx movement has the known 32xx issue: very low amplitude with (very) negative rates, already after full winding.

What is the watch reference number / caliber?
How often did you wear this watch?

Edit: sorry, it should be a 126610LV with a 3235.

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks.

I think your data need no sophisticated analysis. This 32xx movement has the known 32xx issue: very low amplitude with (very) negative rates, already after full winding.

What is the watch reference number / caliber?
How often did you wear this watch?

The watch reference number is 126610LV & 3235 caliber
I daily wore this watch from July 2022 to around August 2023. In that time frame, I would say I wore the watch 90% of the days. From there, I started wearing other watches a little more that I had and when I returned to daily wear for this watch, I noticed the timing degraded considerably.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

The watch reference number is 126610LV & 3235 caliber
I daily wore this watch from July 2022 to around August 2023. In that time frame, I would say I wore the watch 90% of the days. From there, I started wearing other watches a little more that I had and when I returned to daily wear for this watch, I noticed the timing degraded considerably.

Very interesting! That suggest your 3235 degraded between August and December 2023 while it was not worn?

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Very interesting! That suggest your 3235 degraded between August and December 2023 while it was not worn?

It could either be that or I could've stopped noticing it was degrading because after the first 4-5 months I stopped worrying about the timing as much. I remember the last time I checked the time was around August 2023 though and it was still running -2s/d, so I think it might've degraded sitting...

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

It could either be that or I could've stopped noticing it was degrading because after the first 4-5 months I stopped worrying about the timing as much. I remember the last time I checked the time was around August 2023 though and it was still running -2s/d, so I think it might've degraded sitting...

Did you measure (timegrapher) between July 2022 and August 2023?

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Did you measure (timegrapher) between July 2022 and August 2023?

No, that was on the wrist wear. I only bought the timegrapher when the timing of the watch degraded to the point where I noticed by the end of a week it could be off by 1-2 mins.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

No, that was on the wrist wear. I only bought the timegrapher when the timing of the watch degraded to the point where I noticed by the end of a week it could be off by 1-2 mins.

Understood.
I know it's too late but it would have been very interesting to measure this 3235 watch when it was bought new from your AD.

[LazyTimegrapher]

I bought a DJ 41 blue Roman dial back in August 2022 retail from an AD. It was my first Rolex and I had only recently discovered mechanical watches earlier that year, so I didn’t know anything about this thread or even much about accuracy of mechanical watches.

Anyway, I didn’t know much about watches or accuracy when I bought the DJ41, so I didn’t keep detailed data on the watch. All I know is that I wore it basically continuously for about a year and never noticed any problems with the timekeeping. My main metric was how much time it lost per week or month and I don’t remember it being noticeably off.

A few months back I got an omega watch with the co-axial movement and wondered how its accuracy would compare to the Rolex since some Internet people said the co-axial nonevent is bad. I found it to be consistently -0.5 spd over the past 6 months and have been very happy with that.

I hadn’t worn the Rolex for several months, but I put it on about a month ago, and with my new interest in accuracy I set it and checked it each day. I was very surprised to see it was -10 spd on the first day. I figured maybe it needed to settle or was slow due to not wearing it for a while so I wore it for a week straight but it stayed at -10spd pretty consistently. I took it to the AD and they told me I needed to wear it more and that I needed to wind it up fully before wearing it and that was the issue. I did that and wore it for another two weeks but it stayed at -10spd.

I took it back to the AD and said it was still slow so they took it to the service ppl in store and out it on a timegrapher. The technician said “low amplitude, needs service”. The SA didn’t seem to be familiar with that term but agreed to send it to RSC.

I found this thread a few days later searching for “Rolex low amplitude” on Google and eventually found this thread.

I’m currently waiting to get it back from RSC. I’ll update when I get it back.

I’m not sure whether I’ll keep or sell this one. It’s too bad because I like the watch and it’s my first Rolex. However Rolex is supposed to be accurate and reliable, but currently it’s my least accurate watch. I even have a Tissot sea star 2000 running at +\-1 spd that cost 1/10 the Rolex and has never been serviced which I bought earlier in 2020 while on the Rolex list.

[LazyTimegrapher]

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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by LazyTimegrapher

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You have the very best (member) name for this thread. Welcome

[LazyTimegrapher]

I tried posting my experience but seems like it didn’t work.

I bought a DJ41 from an AD in august 2022. Wore the watch continuously for a year or so. Never noticed any timing issues. It was my first Rolex and I only learned about mechanical watches a few months before purchase. Knew nothing of this thread or any issues with Rolexes. I don’t remember what accuracy it had but if it was losing more than a minute a month I think I would’ve noticed, which makes me think it was probably within COSC.

I got an omega watch with the co-axial movement about 6 months ago and wore it and didn’t use the Rolex for several months. I heard internet people say the coaxial movement is bad, which made me interested in checking its accuracy more often. It was and still is -0.5 spd very consistently.

When I put the Rolex on a few weeks ago, I noticed it was -10spd and so a minute slow in one week. I was confused and took it to the AD. They said to wear it for several weeks and wind it fully each day. I did that and still -10spd. Took it back and they put it on a timegrapher in the store and the technician said “low amplitude, needs service”. I didn’t know why that meant and the SA seemed to not be familiar with it either. They shipped it to RSC, and I’m waiting to get it back.

I found this thread after shipping to RSC by googling “Rolex low amplitude”. I don’t know what number the amplitude was in store. Just that the tech said “low amplitude” was why the watch needed servicing.

Not sure if I’ll keep or sell the watch. I have several watches now including a Tissotseastar 2000 that’s like 1/10 the price of the DJ41 which keeps way better time at -0.5spd and it’s never been serviced and I bought it before the Rolex while on the wait list. Rolex is supposed to be accurate and reliable, but my DJ41 has been neither. Disappointing to say the least.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by LazyTimegrapher

I tried posting my experience but seems like it didn’t work.

I bought a DJ41 from an AD in august 2022. Wore the watch continuously for a year or so. Never noticed any timing issues. It was my first Rolex and I only learned about mechanical watches a few months before purchase. Knew nothing of this thread or any issues with Rolexes. I don’t remember what accuracy it had but if it was losing more than a minute a month I think I would’ve noticed, which makes me think it was probably within COSC.

I got an omega watch with the co-axial movement about 6 months ago and wore it and didn’t use the Rolex for several months. I heard internet people say the coaxial movement is bad, which made me interested in checking its accuracy more often. It was and still is -0.5 spd very consistently.

When I put the Rolex on a few weeks ago, I noticed it was -10spd and so a minute slow in one week. I was confused and took it to the AD. They said to wear it for several weeks and wind it fully each day. I did that and still -10spd. Took it back and they put it on a timegrapher in the store and the technician said “low amplitude, needs service”. I didn’t know why that meant and the SA seemed to not be familiar with it either. They shipped it to RSC, and I’m waiting to get it back.

I found this thread after shipping to RSC by googling “Rolex low amplitude”. I don’t know what number the amplitude was in store. Just that the tech said “low amplitude” was why the watch needed servicing.

Not sure if I’ll keep or sell the watch. I have several watches now including a Tissotseastar 2000 that’s like 1/10 the price of the DJ41 which keeps way better time at -0.5spd and it’s never been serviced and I bought it before the Rolex while on the wait list. Rolex is supposed to be accurate and reliable, but my DJ41 has been neither. Disappointing to say the least.

Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately common enough experience. Your watch will run just fine when it is returned. The only real question is will the fix be permanent, only time will bare that out.

BTW, the coaxial movement in your Omega is really good.

[LazyTimegrapher]

Yeah I’ve been really happy with the coaxial thus far. It’s the blue GMT worldtimer. It’s been really consistent and accurate but we’ll see how it does over time since it’s new tech.

I’m hoping the DJ41 runs better when I get it back. I do like the watch a lot and it’s my first Rolex ever so I’ll probably keep it thru the warranty period and see what happens. I feel like if I sell it I’d probably regret it even with the movement issues.

I’ll keep you all updated. Thanks for the warm welcome. This is the first forum I’ve ever posted on but the data and info was very helpful to me so I wanted to add my experience to it.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by LazyTimegrapher

I’m hoping the DJ41 runs better when I get it back. I do like the watch a lot and it’s my first Rolex ever so I’ll probably keep it thru the warranty period and see what happens. I feel like if I sell it I’d probably regret it even with the movement issues.

I’ll keep you all updated. Thanks for the warm welcome. This is the first forum I’ve ever posted on but the data and info was very helpful to me so I wanted to add my experience to it.

Sorry to hear about your experience but I am not at all surprised.

I only recommend you to (a) either forget the timekeeping and enjoy the DJ41 as a piece of jewellery after repair or (b) buy a timegrapher and check the movement after it returns from RSC. This will provide you a status quo for the amplitudes, rates, and beat errorrs, which you can use later to compare during the 5-year warranty period, and (c) participate in the poll of this thread.

Good luck!

[Mountain66]

I recently re-joined this forum after losing my 2FA login details. I’d originally joined to find out more about this 32xx issue after having a problem Explorer.

Anyway, my watch originally started losing time after a period of inactivity, rather like several of the watches highlighted above- and earlier in the thread. It would be interesting to trawl the data and see whether this is a definite pattern.

In the nine or so months since my Explorer was returned from the service, it’s kept pretty much perfect time. I’m somewhat reluctant to let the movement stop in case it contracts the dreaded disease! Shame really, as I’d like to wear some other watches for a while!!

[LazyTimegrapher]

I have a watch winder so I could leave mine on that when I’m not wearing it. I don’t think I will though. Since I’m still under warranty I’ll probably wear it for a few weeks when I get it back and then let it rest after that. I have a few watches but I don’t rotate daily, more like weekly or monthly, so I guess I’ll run the test of seeing how my DJ41 behaves with intermittent use and report back how it performs under those conditions.

[LazyTimegrapher]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Sorry to hear about your experience but I am not at all surprised.

I only recommend you to (a) either forget the timekeeping and enjoy the DJ41 as a piece of jewellery after repair or (b) buy a timegrapher and check the movement after it returns from RSC. This will provide you a status quo for the amplitudes, rates, and beat errorrs, which you can use later to compare during the 5-year warranty period, and (c) participate in the poll of this thread.

Good luck!

Viewing the DJ41 as jewelry isn’t going to work for me long term. I like that Rolex is perceived as a strong brand, but the whole basis for that perception is its long history of quality — precision, accuracy, durability, reliability. If all of that is false, then the brands value drops precipitously in my eyes. Currently of the 4 automatic watches I own, the Rolex is the least accurate by a factor of 5-10x. The inaccuracy plus the brand promoting itself on the basis of its superior accuracy and quality will just drive me nuts over time.

On the other hand I don’t want to regret selling it prematurely. I think what I’ll do is monitor it over the warranty period, and depending on its performance I’ll decide whether to sell it or keep it once the warranty expires.

I may buy a timergrapher or I may be too lazy to do so, hence the username. I have a pretty good Shure mic on my computer and have some free software TG 0.5.0, which seems to work okay. I may just use that to get a rough estimate. That way I’ll be able to share my data over time here and make a more informed decision regarding selling via keeping.

It’ll also help me decide whether I’m willing to buy any other modern 32xx movement models like the day date or submariner which I also have my eye on.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by LazyTimegrapher

I may buy a timergrapher or I may be too lazy to do so, hence the username. I have a pretty good Shure mic on my computer and have some free software TG 0.5.0, which seems to work okay. I may just use that to get a rough estimate. That way I’ll be able to share my data over time here and make a more informed decision regarding selling via keeping.

I am convinced that you will make the right decisions for yourself, I am less sure about choosing the right measuring devices. If it's just a question of laziness to get a timegrapher, then I won't be able to help more with probably noisy and unreliable microphone data.

Merry Christmas!

[LazyTimegrapher]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I am convinced that you will make the right decisions for yourself, I am less sure about choosing the right measuring devices. If it's just a question of laziness to get a timegrapher, then I won't be able to help more with probably noisy and unreliable microphone data.

Merry Christmas!

Maybe I’ll put it on my Christmas list.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by LazyTimegrapher

Maybe I’ll put it on my Christmas list.

You might have missed the boat .

Father Christmas did his rounds on the morning of December 25th (The day after you thought you may add it to your list).

Although .... If you are currently in some other countries you would be in time as they celebrate Christmas on a later date.