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[INC]

Originally Posted by INC

[...]His 4 second(!) lead over Perez. It was mixed up by RBT.

RBT: "Regretfully, Max was only informed at the final corner of the request to give up position without all the necessary information being relayed. This put Max, who has always been an open and fair team player, in a compromising situation with little time to react which was not our intention."

[Spartacus]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Verstappen has to be the most disliked World Champion in F1 history after his disgraceful exhibition towards his team mate last weekend.

Not to mention his intentional ramming of Hamilton so Hamilton would not be able to win the race.....

Seems like the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree with Verstappen's parents stirring the pot with nasty fake claims about Parez.

Verstappens will say/do anything to get an advantage, they have no respect for anyone, even the RB team orders.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by INC

RBT: "Regretfully, Max was only informed at the final corner of the request to give up position without all the necessary information being relayed. This put Max, who has always been an open and fair team player, in a compromising situation with little time to react which was not our intention."

Yep, that's why RBR asked Max "what happened?" over the radio, after he failed to give up the position. They were just checking what happened, you understand. All of this is true, honestly. RBR said so.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Lots one sided team fandom instead of objective F1 racing back and forth in this thread of late.

P.S. I think Ricciardo actions at start of Brazilian GP in taking out Kmag was shite and I am a MCLaren team supporter.

[SDGT3]

Things don't happen in a vacuum and these teams know much more than the general public due to the data at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/524gFfe1_vo


Interesting comments from Carlos Sainz as well

https://the-race.com/formula-1/delib...u-think-sainz/

[77T]

CH has finally admitted to some of the self-inflicted pain…

https://amp.formula1.com/en/latest/a...UVqz5Vw6j.html

That is what I tried to explain in: https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=4584
without sharing too much.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Things don't happen in a vacuum and these teams know much more than the general public due to the data at their disposal.

Very true. The engineers on pitwall don’t have time to analyze it in real-time, but the hundreds of people back at factory do.

They are on the horn to the strategists quickly and then the team principals know in fairly short order.

Stewards have access to the data too.


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[daveathall]

If it is the case that MV was told too late, why did he not say "I was told too late and wasn't able to give the place back" over the radio and to the press afterwards? He never though, it would have been so simple but he never took that route, he told his team over the radio to never ask him to do that again and that he had already told them what he would do.

Never once did he say, "I just didn't have time" Why would Perez say that shows who he is, after all I have done for him?

RBR are trying to put a sticking plaster (Band aid) over something and it's not sticking.

My opinion hasn't changed, he's just a nasty piece of work. I have also said a number of times in this thread that he will kill someone, I (unfortunately) stick to that.

[77T]

I am only guessing about “why” both drivers uttered those words.

In the media pen, PER & VER were still hot under the collar.

Regardless of the reasons - CH and the strategist made mistakes.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by daveathall

If it is the case that MV was told too late, why did he not say "I was told too late and wasn't able to give the place back" over the radio and to the press afterwards? He never though, it would have been so simple but he never took that route, he told his team over the radio to never ask him to do that again and that he had already told them what he would do.

Never once did he say, "I just didn't have time" Why would Perez say that shows who he is, after all I have done for him?

RBR are trying to put a sticking plaster (Band aid) over something and it's not sticking.

My opinion hasn't changed, he's just a nasty piece of work. I have also said a number of times in this thread that he will kill someone, I (unfortunately) stick to that.

Good points imo..for this and what I've viewed on the web from different perspectives...

[Lol-x]

Red Bull seem to have no problem in making up false claims to try and diffuse the passioned criticism of Verstappen.

There is just no truth in the claim that Verstappen did not have adequate time to hand back the position to Perez. Verstappen made a conscious, preconceived and calculated decision to maintain his position in front of Perez no matter what the team asked/instructed him to do.

Now there is claims by Red Bull that death threats have been made against both Verstappen and Perez. To me the claim that there have been death threats against Perez makes no sense at all except to try and somehow appease the strong criticism against Verstappen.

Although I will never understand Ricciardo's move to leave Red Bull, it does appear to be a toxic team environment if you are not the 'chosen' driver. This goes back even to the days of Vettel and Webber where the team would always defend Vettel no matter how outrageous he may act.

Verstappen and Red Bull trying to white wash this deplorable act just make it all the more displeasing.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Red Bull seem to have no problem in making up false claims to try and diffuse the passioned criticism of Verstappen.

There is just no truth in the claim that Verstappen did not have adequate time to hand back the position to Perez. Verstappen made a conscious, preconceived and calculated decision to maintain his position in front of Perez no matter what the team asked/instructed him to do.

Now there is claims by Red Bull that death threats have been made against both Verstappen and Perez. To me the claim that there have been death threats against Perez makes no sense at all except to try and somehow appease the strong criticism against Verstappen.

Although I will never understand Ricciardo's move to leave Red Bull, it does appear to be a toxic team environment if you are not the 'chosen' driver. This goes back even to the days of Vettel and Webber where the team would always defend Vettel no matter how outrageous he may act.

Verstappen and Red Bull trying to white wash this deplorable act just make it all the more displeasing.

Ya that’s a really strange move. He was on the team radio for what looked like 20 seconds before he crossed the line. I think Perez had a 3 second gap behind him. There was room and he clearly told them no.


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[INC]

Well guys, I understand that you hate Verstappen from the bottom of your heart, but not what you do. I don't think that it worth to overwrite the facts.

Let me explain this.

There was no reason to ask Max at the very last moment of the race to let Perez overatake while he almost finsihed the race. It was not a situation when Perez was right behind him, but he was 4 sec behind him. It was not a situation where Perez could have a chance to overtake him.

To be honest, if Max would stop(!) on the racetrack just to wait for Perez, then now you would have been criticized the RBR and Max, because "it was obvious cheat" how they gaved an unfair advantage for Perez. Am I right, or am I right not?

As I told earlier, I think that RB made the mistake when they asked Max to try to catch the pilots in front of him. They should have been known that it was impossible, so they have to ask him when Perez was right behind him to let him go. After Max drove like an insane to catch the others, it was impossible to change that strategy this way.

It was simply too late to change the results.

And for the last: It's absolultely all the same for the championship results, because now Perez and Leclerc have the same points and 1 or 2pts have not a huge effect for the first 7 drivers. If Perez will be ahead of Leclerc with at least two positions, he will be the second in the driver's chanpionship. In all the other cases, he will be the 3rd. So what? No one interested in this position as it is sure, that Perez and Leclerc will be on the "podium" of this championship if they will finish the race.

Therefore, just like in the last year, the very last race's result will decide who will be the 2nd in the driver's championship.

[Chewbacca]

Max needs a pr rep yesterday.

[SearChart]

Not a big Max fan or hater myself, but doing checo dirty like that after all he did to help Max is seriously uncool...

[joli160]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Not a big Max fan or hater myself, but doing checo dirty like that after all he did to help Max is seriously uncool...

Nice to see you again here Bas.

I think Verstappen still had a score to settle with Perez after what he did in Monaco. Now it is settled

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by INC

Well guys, I understand that you hate Verstappen from the bottom of your heart, but not what you do. I don't think that it worth to overwrite the facts.

Let me explain this.

There was no reason to ask Max at the very last moment of the race to let Perez overatake while he almost finsihed the race. It was not a situation when Perez was right behind him, but he was 4 sec behind him. It was not a situation where Perez could have a chance to overtake him.

To be honest, if Max would stop(!) on the racetrack just to wait for Perez, then now you would have been criticized the RBR and Max, because "it was obvious cheat" how they gaved an unfair advantage for Perez. Am I right, or am I right not?

As I told earlier, I think that RB made the mistake when they asked Max to try to catch the pilots in front of him. They should have been known that it was impossible, so they have to ask him when Perez was right behind him to let him go. After Max drove like an insane to catch the others, it was impossible to change that strategy this way.

It was simply too late to change the results.

And for the last: It's absolultely all the same for the championship results, because now Perez and Leclerc have the same points and 1 or 2pts have not a huge effect for the first 7 drivers. If Perez will be ahead of Leclerc with at least two positions, he will be the second in the driver's chanpionship. In all the other cases, he will be the 3rd. So what? No one interested in this position as it is sure, that Perez and Leclerc will be on the "podium" of this championship if they will finish the race.

Therefore, just like in the last year, the very last race's result will decide who will be the 2nd in the driver's championship.

It's actually "the media" who are responsible for this mess. Max has explained everything, LOL.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-his-family-f1

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Not a big Max fan or hater myself, but doing checo dirty like that after all he did to help Max is seriously uncool...

Ahaa...at last, an early sighting of the very rare, 'lesser spotted watchmaker' (Basmondii Rollexium Fixata)!

Good to see you back Bas!!

[77T]

F1’s FP1 was like walking through the F2 pitlane of the past. Except KUB logging some time. Some of the names will be new to many, one is a generational throwback.

SAR had a close call almost crashing the Williams car but then carried on to gain more km towards Super License.

Here’s a list I pulled from an online article. (When it says “driver out”, just means for FP1)



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[SearChart]

Originally Posted by joli160

Nice to see you again here Bas.

I think Verstappen still had a score to settle with Perez after what he did in Monaco. Now it is settled

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Ahaa...at last, an early sighting of the very rare, 'lesser spotted watchmaker' (Basmondii Rollexium Fixata)!

Good to see you back Bas!!

[SDGT3]

lI don't believe Red Bull at all with regard to giving the order to switch positions too late. That being said, we didn't know about the rift that happened in Monaco as that was kept in house. Given all that's come out from Brazil however, it appears Checo was a little naughty about his qualifying performance in Monaco. The only question to be resolved is "Will this carry over beyond this weekend?"

If Max doesn't trust Checo moving forward, how can they get on as a team? Now it's been announced that Daniel Ricciardo will be the third driver for RBR in 2023.... interesting times indeed.

[enjoythemusic]

F1 is shaping up well for Vegas. Maybe F1 and Vegas can work together for a combo race / fighting matches. The fighting matches could half their points.

So first race, then it's to Ultimate Fighter for the top four in a cage match... last one standing gets half the points of the other three.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The only question to be resolved is "Will this carry over beyond this weekend?"

It might, Phillip. A lot depends upon the actual results after the Sunday race.

If PER prevails over LEC, then he and VER can balance their competing goals before first race of 2023. Slight carryover methinks.

If not, much will depend upon the circumstances that leads up to LEC’s final P2 in WDC. If VER is in any way responsible it’ll likely help RIC into the second seat (from his newly gained RBR reserve role).

I understand the theories and convo, but this stuff happens many times in a season. In this case, it played out all too publicly. The ones inside the situation know the truth.


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[daveathall]

For me, a Vettel win and Perez to come in second would be nice.

Just for those that don't think that the points make any difference. If Perez and Lec both did not finish, then the points make a massive difference, Perez will not take second in the championship.

Originally Posted by INC

And for the last: It's absolultely all the same for the championship results, because now Perez and Leclerc have the same points and 1 or 2pts have not a huge effect for the first 7 drivers. If Perez will be ahead of Leclerc with at least two positions, he will be the second in the driver's chanpionship. In all the other cases, he will be the 3rd. So what? No one interested in this position as it is sure, that Perez and Leclerc will be on the "podium" of this championship if they will finish the race.

Therefore, just like in the last year, the very last race's result will decide who will be the 2nd in the driver's championship.

[77T]

Originally Posted by daveathall

For me, a Vettel win and Perez to come in second would be nice.

Just for those that don't think that the points make any difference. If Perez and Lec both did not finish, then the points make a massive difference, Perez will not take second in the championship.

True Dave - LEC holds the tiebreaker due to one additional victory.


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[JoeJoeBobo]

Anything positive regarding Vettel, Horner and RBR for me was lost @ Multi 21. Max V just confirmed that negativity.

[Speedbird-1]

Formula 1 launches all-female championship.

Is F1, a 'men only' competition then?

[INC]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Just for those that don't think that the points make any difference. If Perez and Lec both did not finish, then the points make a massive difference, Perez will not take second in the championship.

Don't let your hate for Max cloud your vision. Let me remind you what I wrote in the very same message:

No one interested in this position as it is sure, that Perez and Leclerc will be on the "podium" of this championship if they will finish the race.

If they will not finish, there could be a change even in the third position. Ok, that's it's only math chance for Russel, but it still exists. And after he won the last race, it's not just a fantasy.

Anyhow, I think, if we look for the entire year's performance, then it's definitely not Checco who deserves the second place. And this opinion has got nothing to do with Max. And well, who takes care about the second or the third driver in the championship? Nobody. It's just some uninteresting position after the world champion. Therefore I think, that for Perez is more important, that he is the team member of the world championship team.

And in the same time, I think, it's much more important for Mercedes and the Ferrari that who will be the second in the constructeurs championship and not that who will be the second or the third in the drivers championship.

In short, somebody picked up a conspiration theory that Max wanted a revenge on Perez, what nobody, I repeat nobody confirmed. It was nothing more then a hateful idea to harm Max's reputation. The silly thing is about this, that it has no effect on the ones, who hates Max from their heart, and even for the ones, who doesn't care about him. Therefore I hate the hateful things.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBobo

Anything positive regarding Vettel, Horner and RBR for me was lost @ Multi 21. Max V just confirmed that negativity.

LOL, it was Vettel that went against Horner and Red Bull team orders in the multi 21 episode, but okay.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Wonder what color RBR pajamas some have on today while posting?

My comment was not toward you SDGT3 your a fair and knowledgeable F1 supporter you just happened to post quickly.