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[daveathall]

I thought it was a bit of a boring race tbh. Looking forward to next season.

[Lol-x]

Verstappen was correctly described by Jeremy Clarkson this week.

Google it.

[INC]

I think the race was boring, but I am satisfied with the result. HAM gets some decent revenge on Perez for the last year's race, as he slowed down his PER and it was enough to finish in LEC 'P2 in the race and the championship. It was also nice to see that "the sensors didn't work well" in the pit lane, and Vettel did not receive a penalty. I liked that :)

For me, the results of the season are also OK, as the best pilot won, and the best of the others came second. Perez's third place is also fine. It was also good to see Mercedes back for the end of the year.

Let next year's season be even better!

[INC]

And, in a different post, let me add my personal opinion for the Max haters

Researcher:
The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes a day. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.

Kenny:
How could this be?

Researcher:
Answer most commonly given: "I want to see what he'll say next."

Kenny:
All right, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?

Researcher:
Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.

Kenny:
But... if they hate him, why do they listen?

Researcher:
Most common answer: "I want to see what he'll say next."

Admit it - you wouldn't even watch F1 if MAX retired

[joli160]

The crown on the championship, 15th win in one season.
He truly deserved this, by far the best on the grid

[enjoythemusic]

Congrats to teams, drivers, and supporters for another year in the books.

[77T]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I thought it was a bit of a boring race tbh. Looking forward to next season.

Next season starts Tuesday with 2-day young driver tests in the F1 2022 chassis.


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[daveathall]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Verstappen was correctly described by Jeremy Clarkson this week.

Google it.

I agree.

[77T]

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Apparently agree but had he let PER through in Brazil, and abandoned a pole position yesterday, and pulled off course mid-race today, LEC would still get P2 in WDC.

He needed to do something more proactive as I described a couple of hours ago. But some would note that a manipulated finish mars the sport and I must agree.

For once the Ferrari strategy worked - one stop was the key to LEC finishing in front of PER.


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[daveathall]

Originally Posted by 77T

Apparently agree but had he let PER through in Brazil, and abandoned a pole position yesterday, and pulled off course mid-race today, LEC would still get P2 in WDC.

He needed to do something more proactive as I described a couple of hours ago. But some would note that a manipulated finish mars the sport and I must agree.

I agree Paul, but the whole of RBR strategy for the last race of last season was to use Perez to slow others down, at which he did wonderfully well, some say that MV wouldn't have won without Perez's holding heroics. But as you say, MV just drove the race from the front, he could have slowed Lec down by risking a win of his own. He was selfish on the last two races of the season which cost his team mate second position in the championship. It's a shame, RBR could have had it all.

[77T]

Tis True, VER is selfish. But at the front all drivers are. Not making an excuse, I can’t recall a WDC who wasn’t at the time.

Having said that, VET said goodbye today with well-wishers among his competitors. A much loved past Champion. Not so much at the time he was WDC, though. Two personalities in one person? Not really, it’s an evolution.

VER has no regrets now, but he has 10 years to evolve…


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[daveathall]

In truth, he has been champion and the best driver for the last two years, one doesn't get to be that by being nice.

[watch3r]

Checo is personally my favorite driver on the grid, but I think this whole swapping drama has been overplayed. Having listened to interviews etc for the last week or so, my hypothesis is that in Brazil, Max wasn't refusing a swap as much as he was refusing to slow down by five seconds for a swap. He was right behind Checo when they gave the first team orders, it was a totally different thing at the end of the race. I do, however, put most of the fault for the drama on RBR, as they should have known better than to ask "what happened" over an open radio channel.....

Anticlimactic end to the season, but looking forward to seeing what's next in the spring!

[enjoythemusic]

All is fair in love, war, and within F1 rules. Using team strategy is part of the sport, so it's never unsportsmanlike since it's within the rules. Guess they have not read the rule book.

[INC]

Originally Posted by daveathall

But as you say, MV just drove the race from the front, he could have slowed Lec down by risking a win of his own.

And would he have taken the risk that LEC would overtake him?

LEC was very fast today. So, in order for VER to slow down LEC, he would have had to decrease the difference for less then 1 second. However, on this worn tires, this would have been an incredible chance for LEC, who could have easily overtake him with the DRS. Then VER wouldn't have been able to help Perez at all! Sergio was too far away, for which he can only blame himself, since if he did not spoil his two previous overtakes, he would have overtaken Leclerc. But today VER's advantage was not as big as usual! Let me remind that Perez made one more pit stop, yet the difference between VER, PER and LEC could only be measured in seconds in the finish.

If you saw the beginning of the race, VER was waiting for Perez for a relatively long time. He only increased speed when he saw that LEC was very fast and Perez was also increasing the difference. So he didn't runned amok as he use to do. On the contrary! RB again made a huge mistake when they didn't replace Perez's bad tires immediately despite LEC was closing within a second from his formerly six second advantage! What a mistake that was! I was just shocked to watch as Checco slowed down and LEC almost caught him up!

However, these was just emotions about the race. But this time, I feel a little bit shocked about the comments.

To be honest, I would find it very repulsive if the RBs would had beat LEC with such a disgusting cheat. If I were to vomit for something, it would be the very strategy you would have ask for.

So I'd be really curious about something: You Max haters, do you really hate him today because he didn't allow Perez to be the second in the championship with a disgusting cheating? Really? In the same time when Leclerc was brillant, and Perez was ... nothing special?

So let me tell you something. It's probably a far better conspiracion theory what you ever heard:

Verstappen's childhood friend is called Leclerc, and Perez is just a current teammate. And a friend will not help someone who does not deserve to overtake his friend. Team here, team there, if Perez is not better than Leclerc, then he can't count on Verstappen. Not just for now, but for never. Exactly this is what we used to call friendship.

Or at least, I call this behaviour like this. And I'm proud of RB that they don't wanted to humiliate Leclerc with a disgusting strategy.

Let them race!

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by INC

And would he have taken the risk that LEC would overtake him?

It wouldn't have mattered if he did, the outcome was the same. Verstappen just didn't help his team mate in the last two races or qualifying. It's as simple as that. Never mind, he is world champion and deserves to be, he's just not a team mate that anyone would want.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by INC

To be honest, I would find it very repulsive if the RBs would had beat LEC with such a disgusting cheat. If I were to vomit for something, it would be the very strategy you would have ask for.

So you are repulsed by what Perez did in the last race of last season? That's exactly what he did. Because that is exactly what you are saying.

[INC]

Originally Posted by daveathall

So you are repulsed by what Perez did in the last race of last season? That's exactly what he did. Because that is exactly what you are saying.

In the last year HAM was far faster then both RBs. Without the accident he could easily win the race and the championship. Whatever Perez and RB did or didn't do during the race. The rest of the story is well known.

This doesn't mean at all that what Perez did wasn't "animalous", but it was not happened because Perez slowed down, but because it was the maximum speed he could achive. Upon this, this was his duty as the sidekick of Max. There was not even a question that Max was faster then he. Perez was not even gathered points at that race.

But if you think about the strategy, well, it was pretty desperate and it didn't work at all. HAM was so much faster that he should have easily overtaken Perez. But not that happened. He was so selfconfident, that he choosed absolutely wrong places to overtake, and this actually led to Perez being able to hold him up for several laps. This was clearly HAM's fault. This year it happened in the opposite way, Perez choosed the wrong places, and HAM was able to slow him down. Without this, Perez would have been able to overtake Leclerc, as exactly that ~2 seconds was what he missed to achieve his goal. 1:1 for the competitors.

However I don't want to convince you If you want to hate MAX, you can do it, as it doesn't bother me at all.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by INC

In the last year HAM was far faster then both RBs. Without the accident he could easily win the race and the championship. Whatever Perez and RB did or didn't do during the race. The rest of the story is well known.

This doesn't mean at all that what Perez did wasn't "animalous", but it was not happened because Perez slowed down, but because it was the maximum speed he could achive. Upon this, this was his duty as the sidekick of Max. There was not even a question that Max was faster then he. Perez was not even gathered points at that race.

But if you think about the strategy, well, it was pretty desperate and it didn't work at all. HAM was so much faster that he should have easily overtaken Perez. But not that happened. He was so selfconfident, that he choosed absolutely wrong places to overtake, and this actually led to Perez being able to hold him up for several laps. This was clearly HAM's fault. This year it happened in the opposite way, Perez choosed the wrong places, and HAM was able to slow him down. Without this, Perez would have been able to overtake Leclerc, as exactly that ~2 seconds was what he missed to achieve his goal. 1:1 for the competitors.

However I don't want to convince you If you want to hate MAX, you can do it, as it doesn't bother me at all.

Let's get one thing straight, I don't hate anyone I have never met, you don't know me so do not call me a hater. I don't care if English is not your first language, do not use that word with me, learn one that is more appropriate and don't plaster it in every post you leave. I may dislike Verstappen, as it turns out, I don't actually like Hamilton that much, but I do not hate anyone from any sport.

As for what you said above, it makes no sense and is inaccurate in so many ways that I won't try to answer it.

[77T]

Originally Posted by INC

And would he have taken the risk that LEC would overtake him?

As info, that isn’t how it would work. These drivers know how to hit a given lap time with such precision that LEC would have never been able to pass VER.

LEC just needed to be slowed a bit to let PER get within DRS with 2 laps to go. Then it would have been PER vs LEC for a fair fight. As it worked out PER got close but only on last lap.

With 5 laps to go, that could have been done by the team. The fact that today they did not ask VER is on RBR & CH’s shoulders.

LEC was on a 1-stop strategy so he had to manage tires.

Shifting gears…here is my request…please dial back aggressive language towards TRF members if they don’t agree with your ideas. Calling anyone haters is not welcome on TRF and I’d like this thread to stay respectful.


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[Lol-x]

Who said "hate".
No one except you INC!

[INC]

English is not my native language, so sometimes the way I write can be misunderstood.

You should know that in my country we use this word for such strong emotions, but it has nothing to do with the emotions you wrote about. We use different terms for the emotions you mentioned, so it didn't even occur to me that what I wrote could be offensive.

Accordingly, I would like to send my sincere apologies, because if there was one thing I didn't want to do, it was to hurt someone's feelings.

EDIT: PS: If I had the opportunity to replace this word in my previous posts, I would make the necessary changes myself. Unfortunately, there is no way to do that.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by INC

Admit it - you wouldn't even watch F1 if MAX retired

I've been watching F1 since the 1970s, Crashtappen was born in 1997.

[INC]

Perez's battle with Hamilton cost him, says Marko

Perez's first pit-stop of the 58-lap race came on Lap 16, with Marko suggesting that the driver had to make an early stop after pushing his tyres during the opening stint.

He then made his second visit to the pits on Lap 34, and soon afterwards found himself in a battle with the Mercedes of Lewis Hamilton. Marko thinks that this cost Perez time.

"It was very tight in the end, but Perez made a mistake in the first phase of the race: he pushed too hard with his tyres and we had to overtake him earlier than planned," Marko said.

"Later he tried to overtake Hamilton, but was then immediately overtaken back. That cost him 1.3 seconds. It could have been more exciting as a result!"

https://racingnews365.com/marko-poin...ose-out-on-1-2

[77T]

I think HM has a point, but another outlet also pointed to a cool Ferrari fake-out + HM’s point…

“The (Ferrari) trickery worked as Red Bull responded and pulled Perez into the pits immediately to cover off Ferrari. Red Bull team boss Christian Horner admitted after the race that a combination of Perez's tyre condition plus it seeing that "Ferrari were gearing up for an undercut" was behind its decision to stop (him).”


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[SDGT3]

In looking at the sector times from qualifying, Red Bull trimmed Checo's car for the straights as he was nearly .4 ahead of everyone in that sector alone but lost time in Sectors 1 & 3, which reenforces my belief that he was carrying less downforce.

Perez is a master of tire management and the fact that both his stops were earlier than expected leads me to believe he had higher deg than his competitors and had to change when they did. In the end, the tremendous speed needed to catch up to LeClerc degraded his tires to where he ran out of laps.

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[Brny11]

Originally Posted by daveathall

In truth, he has been champion and the best driver for the last two years, one doesn't get to be that by being nice.

I agree with both sides of it. Cost him VERY little to help Checo who is basically a career wingman at this point. Throw the man a bone. On other hand, don’t care if he is a good person or not. He is a savage driver and a world class talent. PR skills do not contribute to race wins. Love him or hate him, ver here to stay.

Let’s just hope Mer can make it interesting next year. Ferrari is a circus. Can’t see them contending for a championship any time soon.

[77T]

The top3 teams may shuffle a bit due to one change in the car spec. for 2023 - namely anti-porpoising changes.

Recall that MB had a dominant car for years until RB out-designed them for 2022. So…the 2023 specification of ground-effect floors is raised by 15mm. This addresses safety concerns caused by vertical oscillations.

Doesn’t sound like much, but the diffuser throat height gets raised to reduce the aero sensitivity under the car and it could affect the efficiency of the Venturi effect. So floor redesigns might be less successful on some teams. Teams have been arguing about possible cheats already which caused the existing Tech Directive to be updated again (rev.E) and it’s not a public’s doc so not going into detail.

Couple that with an expected cost cap reduction to $135MM, and who knows how it might shuffle the dominant teams.

One change I don’t look forward to is possible tech DQ for violating the Aerodynamic Oscillation Metric (AOM). Recall that in mid-2022 FIA came out with a measurement to ensure that teams were not taking liberties with the cars' aerodynamic set-ups at the expense of safety. Using the existing FIA-standard accelerometer fitted to each car, the AOM metric is 100mJ/kg/100km as its upper limit. Each car is measured on live laps, (not in-laps, out-laps, or SC laps).

FIA could DQ a car that exceeds the limit. But teams have 3 “free passes” before it happens. After that, Stewards may deem a team’s car to be dangerous and, under ISC Article 10.2, DQ it. It’s just one more area where officials could be derided for rules enforcement in F1.


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[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by 77T

Recall that MB had a dominant car for years until RB out-designed them for 2022.

RB out-spent other teams, ignoring the cost cap, and arguably winning the championship for Verstappen simply by exercising their chequebook.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...laurent-mekies