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05carbondrz · 21 July 2018, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by helo008

Hey everyone,

Been a few weeks since I've updated this thread--it's amazing to see all of your support in resolving this issue and I really appreciate it.

At the moment, UPS is still in the process of their investigation and I've been informed by a representative that it is taking longer than expected due to the high value of the item. Unfortunately, that means that at this point I am still out the value of the watch but I am actively reaching out to UPS waiting for updates.

As soon as I hear anything I'll be sure to update this thread, but at the moment, I'm still waiting on UPS to make a decision. Thank you all for keeping up with this situation, and I'll be sure to keep you all updated.

I have a feeling they are taking longer as they are trying everything to squirm out of paying...Typical “Insurance”.

SMD · 21 July 2018, 05:08 AM

UCC Article 2 risk of loss rules should provide guidance on who takes the loss should the goods not make it to their intended recipient. Seller chose the method of shipping and in most cases takes the risk should goods be lost or damaged in transit before the buyer receives them. The question is a matter of proof. Lots of pontificating without any understanding of the legal rules underlying commercial transactions.

Burlington · 21 July 2018, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

No news = Bad news. At this point. Ouch.

I expect its normal to take at least a few weeks until there is new news from an investigation like this.

Onikage · 21 July 2018, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Burlington

I expect its normal to take at least a few weeks until there is new news from an investigation like this.

Here's hoping.

Lime · 21 July 2018, 08:50 PM

Sounds like UPS is going to wriggle out of it. Sorry.

N5XTC · 21 July 2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelodonnell123

So you sent money via 'Direct Wire' to a stranger and you actually expected to get something in return? You are definitely my kind of customer.

how much are you asking for the bridge, sir? this would be a great thing to own.

goldfixer21 · 21 July 2018, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by N5XTC

how much are you asking for the bridge, sir? this would be a great thing to own.

Wait just a minute. I have the deed to this bridge, I bought it a couple of years ago from a very nice Nigerian lottery winner.

Abdullah71601 · 22 July 2018, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfixer21

Wait just a minute. I have the deed to this bridge, I bought it a couple of years ago from a very nice Nigerian lottery winner.

You have the special warranty deed. There was a lien on the bridge and now the general warranty deed is available. You will need to pony up another million to get the proper deed.

Wire your payment to account 001932856 54920108547

J_1964 · 22 July 2018, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfixer21

Wait just a minute. I have the deed to this bridge, I bought it a couple of years ago from a very nice Nigerian lottery winner.

I would belong to this forum Based On Humor Alone!

cht · 22 July 2018, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfixer21

Wait just a minute. I have the deed to this bridge, I bought it a couple of years ago from a very nice Nigerian lottery winner.

no way! I know this nigerian prince (we've been emailing for bit, so I trust him) he could help me buy this bridge, all I have to do is help him claim his inheritance!

goldfixer21 · 23 July 2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cht

no way! I know this nigerian prince (we've been emailing for bit, so I trust him) he could help me buy this bridge, all I have to do is help him claim his inheritance!

Well, if my wire transfer gets there before yours, it's all mine

GradyPhilpott · 23 July 2018, 09:50 AM

Does anyone know if this issue was ever resolved?

MinMay · 23 July 2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Does anyone know if this issue was ever resolved?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...&postcount=444

CorradoBrit · 23 July 2018, 10:20 AM

I think this could take up to 6 weeks to resolve.

GradyPhilpott · 23 July 2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MinMay

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...&postcount=444

jatco · 23 July 2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

I think this could take up to 6 weeks to resolve.

Hopefully.......

fastfreddie · 24 July 2018, 01:33 AM

What has happened in this missing watch saga.

schaumburgla · 24 July 2018, 06:47 AM

I know there are good one's & bad one's but I made up my mind yrs ago only to drop off at Fedex hub's even if it's a great inconvenience. It seems like a recurring theme that things go missing while in the possession of UPS stores.
I know the Fedex stores have had there issues as well. In my experience Fedex runs a tighter ship, though I don't use the franchise drop off locations for any carrier, authorized sorting facilities only for my drop offs.

I hope this situation has a favorable outcome.

jvmartin · 24 July 2018, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by schaumburgla

I know there are good one's & bad one's but I made up my mind yrs ago only to drop off at Fedex hub's even if it's a great inconvenience. It seems like a recurring theme that things go missing while in the possession of UPS stores.
I know the Fedex stores have had there issues as well. In my experience Fedex runs a tighter ship, though I don't use the franchise drop off locations for any carrier, authorized sorting facilities only for my drop offs.

I hope this situation has a favorable outcome.

This right here is the best course of action... I do the same except I wait until an hour or less before cut off... the least amount of time they have it sitting around, the better... shipping priority overnight usually means the package is in FedEx's possession for less than 20 hours... dropping off with one of their authorized ship centers is the same as the UPS store... always go for an actual FedEx ship center... if there aren't trucks outside, keep moving along...

I am currently dealing with a lost USPS registered mail shipment (incoming) so no one is infallible no matter how many checks... to be honest, I've always felt registered mail was a bad option because of the amount of time it can take and the limit information everyone gets... at the end of the day, they just shrug it off anyway... but FedEx has always been my preferred shipper... hopefully the buyer and seller are both reimbursed but this should definitely serve as a lesson to one-off sellers...

tbonesteak · 25 July 2018, 05:08 AM

I have the luxury of being close to Parcel Pro's NYC office...

Everything I ship, I do so under a camera. It is a small office, usually empty of customers, and cameras everywhere. I unpack the watch, hold it up to the camera, snap a photo of the serial number under the camera while doing so (which is obviously timestamped on my phone), then package, drop, and collect my drop off receipt.

Also, one thing most people don't realize, but should do, is open the package while the driver is still present right after signing. If the box is empty, there is no disputing it.

Regardless, from the sales side of the equation, I feel I cover my bases as well as could be.

Hoping for a positive outcome for the OP.

ETA: You should not do this in a regular UPS/FedEx location for obvious reasons.

N5XTC · 25 July 2018, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

...Also, one thing most people don't realize, but should do, is open the package while the driver is still present right after signing. If the box is empty, there is no disputing it.

since this thread i had thought of this myself. yes, ask to open in front of them. i can see them refusing (as they are always in a hurry) and making up some reason. has anyone done this?

tbonesteak · 25 July 2018, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by N5XTC

since this thread i had thought of this myself. yes, ask to open in front of them. i can see them refusing (as they are always in a hurry) and making up some reason. has anyone done this?

If you read the fine print in Parcel Pro, this is actually something they say needs to be done. Most people rarely do it though. Worst case, I'd say to have a camera set up of when you receive and open on the spot with the driver running off, something that can't be disputed - all has to be caught in a clear line of sight, otherwise slight of hand or something would be brought into question... Insurance companies aren't racing around with checkbooks in hand.

The only thing I'm skeptical of is allowing a random driver to know I have at least one expensive watch in the house.

N5XTC · 25 July 2018, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

The only thing I'm skeptical of is allowing a random driver to know I have at least one expensive watch in the house.

we think alike. i am a ham radio operator and have many expensive radios. when the cable people come inside, i cover everything as best i can. better safe than sorry. best to say the Rolex is a gift and that you wear beater watches. wear a Patek or something to throw him off.

rollin62 · 26 July 2018, 03:50 AM

I stumbled on this thread today and thought for sure by the time I got through 16 pages there would be an answer to the mystery at the end.

Looks like I'll have to check back in.

marcellomatt5 · 26 July 2018, 03:08 PM

What a mess ... Very sad...

I have only a few doubts about it, maybe a little stupid:

Is the seller still contacting you? He dosen't login on since july 3.

Is the serial number on the card the same as it was on the watch? The box and card are the same of the sale topic photos or of some pic that the seller have sent to you during the negociation?

I hope all this is resolved in the best way possible.

Knappo 1307 · 8 August 2018, 09:29 PM

Any new news???

htbilgic · 10 August 2018, 04:47 AM

OP, please let us know if there are any updates. Thanks.

77T · 10 August 2018, 06:53 AM

Good grief...I’m sure the OP would update us if there had been a resolution.

UPS and the value of an item doesn’t delay an investigation. The facts of the case (as it relates to UPS actions) are usually determined inside of a week.

But when there are extenuating circumstances, or if an insurance fraud is suspected, UPS has to involve law enforcement. So the seller may be the cause of a delay if s/he isn’t cooperating or if a criminal case is being built.

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HL65 · 10 August 2018, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by schaumburgla

I know there are good one's & bad one's but I made up my mind yrs ago only to drop off at Fedex hub's even if it's a great inconvenience. It seems like a recurring theme that things go missing while in the possession of UPS stores.
I know the Fedex stores have had there issues as well. In my experience Fedex runs a tighter ship, though I don't use the franchise drop off locations for any carrier, authorized sorting facilities only for my drop offs.

I hope this situation has a favorable outcome.

100%

CorradoBrit · 13 September 2018, 09:27 AM

Updates?

Guess not. OP hasn't been seen since 7/20. Hate unfinished business.

23 July 2018, 09:50 AM	#462
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Does anyone know if this issue was ever resolved? __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

24 July 2018, 06:47 AM	#468
schaumburgla 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Justin S. Location: Southeastern U.S. Watch: 5513 Sub Posts: 790	I will never use UPS stores for high value shipments... I know there are good one's & bad one's but I made up my mind yrs ago only to drop off at Fedex hub's even if it's a great inconvenience. It seems like a recurring theme that things go missing while in the possession of UPS stores. I know the Fedex stores have had there issues as well. In my experience Fedex runs a tighter ship, though I don't use the franchise drop off locations for any carrier, authorized sorting facilities only for my drop offs. I hope this situation has a favorable outcome.

10 August 2018, 06:53 AM	#478
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,015	Good grief...I’m sure the OP would update us if there had been a resolution. UPS and the value of an item doesn’t delay an investigation. The facts of the case (as it relates to UPS actions) are usually determined inside of a week. But when there are extenuating circumstances, or if an insurance fraud is suspected, UPS has to involve law enforcement. So the seller may be the cause of a delay if s/he isn’t cooperating or if a criminal case is being built. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

21 July 2018, 05:08 AM	#452
SMD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: SMD Location: LGA/EWR/ORD Watch: AP/PP Posts: 3,701	UCC Article 2 risk of loss rules should provide guidance on who takes the loss should the goods not make it to their intended recipient. Seller chose the method of shipping and in most cases takes the risk should goods be lost or damaged in transit before the buyer receives them. The question is a matter of proof. Lots of pontificating without any understanding of the legal rules underlying commercial transactions.

21 July 2018, 08:50 PM	#455
Lime "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex, JLC, etc Posts: 354	Sounds like UPS is going to wriggle out of it. Sorry.

23 July 2018, 10:20 AM	#464
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	I think this could take up to 6 weeks to resolve.

24 July 2018, 01:33 AM	#467
fastfreddie Banned Join Date: May 2018 Location: Uk Posts: 164	What has happened in this missing watch saga.

25 July 2018, 05:08 AM	#470
tbonesteak "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New York Watch: me go broke! Posts: 1,657	I have the luxury of being close to Parcel Pro's NYC office... Everything I ship, I do so under a camera. It is a small office, usually empty of customers, and cameras everywhere. I unpack the watch, hold it up to the camera, snap a photo of the serial number under the camera while doing so (which is obviously timestamped on my phone), then package, drop, and collect my drop off receipt. Also, one thing most people don't realize, but should do, is open the package while the driver is still present right after signing. If the box is empty, there is no disputing it. Regardless, from the sales side of the equation, I feel I cover my bases as well as could be. Hoping for a positive outcome for the OP. ETA: You should not do this in a regular UPS/FedEx location for obvious reasons.

26 July 2018, 03:50 AM	#474
rollin62 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Jason Location: MI Watch: Detroit Watch Co Posts: 23	I stumbled on this thread today and thought for sure by the time I got through 16 pages there would be an answer to the mystery at the end. Looks like I'll have to check back in.

26 July 2018, 03:08 PM	#475
marcellomatt5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Real Name: Marcello Location: Rio de Janeiro Watch: 16610lv / 16610LN Posts: 146	What a mess ... Very sad... I have only a few doubts about it, maybe a little stupid: Is the seller still contacting you? He dosen't login on since july 3. Is the serial number on the card the same as it was on the watch? The box and card are the same of the sale topic photos or of some pic that the seller have sent to you during the negociation? I hope all this is resolved in the best way possible.

8 August 2018, 09:29 PM	#476
Knappo 1307 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 8,561	Any new news???

10 August 2018, 04:47 AM	#477
htbilgic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Chicago Watch: Doxa Pro 300 NoT Posts: 535	OP, please let us know if there are any updates. Thanks.

13 September 2018, 09:27 AM	#480
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Updates? Guess not. OP hasn't been seen since 7/20. Hate unfinished business.

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