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[INC]

I wonder what the decision will be.

[SDGT3]

Something to watch during the 4 week break between races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyEBQueIUmA

[enjoythemusic]

Am watching Indy in Long Beach, love the efficiency of getting cars out of the wall and back on track. Will F1 be looking at this to avoid all those long safety cars?

[77T]

F1 relies on the organizer & ASN for EV/Safety response. IndyCar has their own team that travels to each race.

That makes a big difference.

I guess the best practices in F1 street courses (like Long Beach) is Monaco.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Something to watch during the 4 week break between races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyEBQueIUmA

[enjoythemusic]

Paul, perhaps it's time for F1 to bring a properly trained crew for the sake of fair racing and expedient car recovery. This could solve some problems F1 is continuously having, and seems to be unfairly altering race results. Would you agree?

IndyCar did so much better this weekend than i can recall F1 during the past few years. Look forward to F1 bringing in a properly trained crew, even if it is 'just' for improving the safety of the drivers, staff, and attendees. It'll also make for 'better' and more fair racing imho.

For those who did not watch this weekend's IndyCar race in Long Beach, please do so and see how efficiently walled cars were handled.

[77T]

It’s a balancing act of cost/benefit. FIA has a dedicated Medical Response team. The drivers are better off because of that.

A dedicated Safety/EV team could be more effective in the long run. You may have noticed the AMR team did some clearances under local yellows.

The idea for an FIA team often comes up when the local team botches pick-ups due to poor equipment or expertise.

It would depend on building a team of up to 30 people along with the vehicles to be shipped to each event. Same goes for the wall repair team.

Regardless, the ability to respond can get overwhelmed like IndyCar did at St. Pete earlier this year…even with a dedicated crew and equipment.



30 minutes under a Red Flag at St. Pete - no really terrible incidents at Long Beach.


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[enjoythemusic]

Good points Paul and we know F1 is tight on expenses. Heck, they can't even afford to add new teams. So how about a bit of modernization in F1 that also brings cost-savings :)

For example, the helicopter that flies around / broadcasts during the race is highly inefficient, and worse still it operates on carbon-emitting petrol. Imagine the cost savings by eliminating the highly costly, inefficient, and slow helicopter for two drones / operators. The cost of the helicopter hardware, maintenance, two pilots, and a camera person has to be extremely high. Plus there are insurance and safety concerns about an active helicopter near the venue (a crash could be drastically catastrophic!). Worse still, if the helo gets too close, the downdraft from the helicopter blades could negatively affect the aero of an F1 car. This is a very bad situation.

Take the saving from the outdated helicopter that now goes towards drone operators and use those funds for bringing trained corner workers who can efficiently get cars back into the race (as appropriate) as we saw during IndyCar's Long Beach race this past weekend.

Another added benefit, F1 can once again show how they are 'going green' by reducing their carbon footprint from a petrol-operated helicopter to battery-powered drones. It'll also give F1's marketing team another benefit, and that of "F1 like you've never seen it before, up close, as you're right in the action thank to drones." C'mon, the greenwashing script pretty much writes itself.

There is one big financial problem with being efficient tho that should be taken into account. The longer it takes volunteer track workers to get a car handled, the longer a race is. So more time / viewing hours by the audience, more time attendees to spend money at the track venue, and of course more video commercials can be broadca$t to viewers.

Paul, am personally tired of corner workers deciding some races (and perhaps championships). If USA's IndyCar is better than F1.... i look forward to changes being made for the sake of the sport.

Why use a slow, unagile, and height-limited petrol-guzzling helicopter for live race video broadcast versus drones anyway? It's 2023 Paul... and we love you so be sure to let F1 know how they can save tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Euros by using drones, and it's Green too! :)

[Speedbird-1]

Petrol?

[77T]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Paul, am personally tired of corner workers deciding some races (and perhaps championships). If USA's IndyCar is better than F1.... i look forward to changes being made for the sake of the sport.

Why use a slow, unagile, and height-limited petrol-guzzling helicopter for live race video broadcast versus drones anyway?

It's 2023 Paul... and we love you so be sure to let F1 know how they can save tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Euros by using drones, and it's Green too! :)

Taking your second point first…
It’s been done but not ready for prime time due to some reliability issues. See: https://www.speedwaydigest.com/index...formula-1-race

I think a solution might be to simplify both points.

NASCAR has drones, no corner workers, and unlimited viewing options for the fans at the track.

Bring those bad boys to Daytona or Indy and Duke it out.


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[enjoythemusic]

Ahh, fair enough Paul.

Originally Posted by 77T

Bring those bad boys to Daytona or Indy and Duke it out.

[77T]

The decision from today’s Right of Review filed by Ferrari…





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[enjoythemusic]

For a bit of fun history....

Mariette Hélène Delangle, dubbed by the French press La Reine de la Vitesse — the Queen of Speed. She won the first Women’s Grand Prix held in June 1929, in Montlhéry, France. (Photographer’s name unknown).

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[77T]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

For a bit of fun history....

Mariette Hélène Delangle, dubbed by the French press La Reine de la Vitesse — the Queen of Speed. She won the first Women’s Grand Prix held in June 1929, in Montlhéry, France. (Photographer’s name unknown).

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Not as elegantly pictured as Mariette above, but the final W Series winner in 2022 (before they went bankrupt) was Beitske Visser. And Jamie Chadwick the shortened Series Champ.

That women’s GP series is now defunct and nothing happening this year.

Visser:




Chadwick:




W Series’ role as a women’s showcase is being replaced by an FIA start-up new feeder series for young girls just like the boys at F4/3 levels.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...vers/10387855/

Story was written just about the time our officials were informed COTA wouldn’t have them in support of the USGP.


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[77T]

New sprint shootout and schedule starting with Baku this weekend. WSC approved changes to ISC announced today.

Rather than the dry rulebook language, this article did a good job explains things methinks: https://amp.formula1.com/en/latest/a...om2MMtjj0.html


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[Speedbird-1]

Friday: Free Practice 1; qualifying (for Sunday’s grand prix)

Saturday: Sprint shootout; sprint race (Top-eight receive points, finish order will have no impact on grand prix grid)

Sunday: Grand Prix

[1st amg]

Thank goodness....my son and I are just about to snap with no F1 in the house

[asloper6001]

Baku week is always a blast especially after that long break!

[Jackie Daytona]

Excited for Baku but not sure about this new sprint format. Essentially just makes a race and baby race. Just have the one race, or go back to sprint being qualifying. Or best yet, just go back to the old ways and ditch the sprint.

[77T]

I get the diverse opinions on Sprints.

I think the new twist for 2023 is a positive.

For sponsors, organizing entities, fans who like racing vs. Practice/Qually, and teams who don’t want a Saturday incident to affect Sunday’s grid - there are some benefits.

Sponsors get more impressions registered since more people tune into a Saturday race vs watching Qually.

Organizers make more revenue since more fans stay longer both Sat & Sun - more seat time = more pull through sales for vendors who pay a % to the Org.

Fans by and large asked for more racing time in F1. Sure there is other support racing like F4,3,2 & Porsche SuperCup - but the fans came to see the Netflix stars race.

Teams asked for and crafted the format to be like a “Double header”.

I agree it’s not a surefire format yet - just need to see. If they’d asked me, I’d say make Saturday a guaranteed wet race with fire trucks with nozzles providing soaking rain on half the circuit and then let Mother Nature take care of Sunday.

Those who are great wet racers get some stray points to spice up the WDC.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by 77T

I get the diverse opinions on Sprints.

I think the new twist for 2023 is a positive.

For sponsors, organizing entities, fans who like racing vs. Practice/Qually, and teams who don’t want a Saturday incident to affect Sunday’s grid - there are some benefits.

Sponsors get more impressions registered since more people tune into a Saturday race vs watching Qually.

Organizers make more revenue since more fans stay longer both Sat & Sun - more seat time = more pull through sales for vendors who pay a % to the Org.

Fans by and large asked for more racing time in F1. Sure there is other support racing like F4,3,2 & Porsche SuperCup - but the fans came to see the Netflix stars race.

Teams asked for and crafted the format to be like a “Double header”.

I agree it’s not a surefire format yet - just need to see. If they’d asked me, I’d say make Saturday a guaranteed wet race with fire trucks with nozzles providing soaking rain on half the circuit and then let Mother Nature take care of Sunday.

Those who are great wet racers get some stray points to spice up the WDC.


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Agree ...
I especially like the notion of a 'wet' Sat

[enjoythemusic]

I like the 'double header' scheme

It's a big win-win all around.

[77T]

One wrinkle of shoe-horning the schedule earlier this week is that ESPN’s listing has a slight syntax anomaly on Saturday.

The newly formatted Sprint Shootout is being shown as FP2 on the media system. But it has no effect on the Sunday grid.


The time above is for EDT in USA…don’t expect most will be up that early for it.

The Sprint Shootout is shorter than normal Qually segments. Shortening helps reduce loads on the ICE units.

- SQ1 is shortened from 18 minutes to 12 minutes.
- SQ2 is shortened from 15 minutes to 10 minutes.
- SQ3 is shortened from 12 minutes to eight minutes.

The traditional F1 Qualifying for the Sunday grid is correctly shown on the Friday media schedules - it replaces the normal FP2 session. Qually segments are unchanged:
-Q1 is 18 minutes
-Q2 is 15 minutes
-Q3 is 12 minutes

Just sharing for those who like to watch live shootouts…


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[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

- SQ3 is shortened from 12 minutes to eight minutes.

I'm not sure if this is a good idea. If I think well, eight minutes is about two laps including the starting lap, but four at the maximum with top speed and on a short racetrack. This means that everybody SHOULD start the qualifing at the same time, and there will be a great danger as no one can wait or slow down and charge the batteries as there will be no time to do this.

Therefore I think, that probably it would be better to have only two sessions, but with 15-15 minutes.

[77T]

I guess we will see - but the knockout rounds won’t change.

SQ3 will only involve 10 cars (5 each having been dropped in the two prior SQ’s).

10 cars over a 6km track length will be of little consequence as long as they stay out of the barriers.

SF & RB drivers clocked :42’s in 2022 - plenty of time for the swift of foot to get 4 flyers done on Medium compound. BTW, the new Sprint Shootout has a peculiar wrinkle on tires. SQ1 & 2 must be run on Mediums but SQ3 must be run on Softs!

Article 30.5 Use of Tyres:

h) From the twelve (12) sets of dry-weather tyres allocated to each driver…

iii) In each of the periods SQ1 and SQ2 of the sprint shootout, up to one set of dry-weather tyres may be used, and this must only be a new set of the medium specification.

iv) In the period SQ3 of the sprint shootout, up to one set of dry-weather tyres may be used, and this must only be a new set of the soft specification.

IMHO, 8 minutes is actually more like 9:40 minutes since the final flying lap can begin as late as 0:00.1 on the clock.

This could eliminate the dash into garage to play with settings and sit until 2:00 remaining.

Each team has its own strat set to gain advantage from whom they want a free tow. There should be ample room.


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[INC]

I hope it will not look like the last "Wacky races" :)

[enjoythemusic]

But the last F1 GTG was very entertaining, and that's what matters :)

[NYG1121]

F1 fans.. heading to Miami next weekend and plan on attending either the FP sessions on friday or qualifying saturday. Any recommendations which one may be best to attend in person? Also plan on attending knicks heat on Saturday so not sure how tight will be to attend the quali and then head to game…

Unfortunately cant attend the actual race as have to leave on Sunday. Will be my first in person F1 experience and certainly not last!

[77T]

The average TV NBA game is 2-hours but playoffs usually take longer and there’s always the chance of overtime. If you Uber then there’s surge delays - if you drive a rental, long delay getting out of garage.

The Heat game is slated for 1pm; F1 Qualifying is currently set for 4pm.

From downtown to Miami Gardens is 44 minutes average and Saturday’s can be worse.

So unlikely you’d make that Saturday dual sports plan. I’d say go to the GP on Friday and then you’re set. FP isn’t as exciting as Qualifying.

Of course, if you have a 3-day GP ticket, you can still try to make Saturday work and treat it as a bonus if you make it.


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[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by 77T

The average TV NBA game is 2-hours but playoffs usually take longer and there’s always the chance of overtime. If you Uber then there’s surge delays - if you drive a rental, long delay getting out of garage.

The Heat game is slated for 1pm; F1 Qualifying is currently set for 4pm.

From downtown to Miami Gardens is 44 minutes average and Saturday’s can be worse.

So unlikely you’d make that Saturday dual sports plan. I’d say go to the GP on Friday and then you’re set. FP isn’t as exciting as Qualifying.

Of course, if you have a 3-day GP ticket, you can still try to make Saturday work and treat it as a bonus if you make it.


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Thanks! I dont think they have announced NBA game time yet. I am hoping its a night game but lets see. I just want to see the cars whiz by so hopefully any of the 2 days would be ok