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[texasmade]

Originally Posted by INC

Veni, Vidi, Maxi.

Regardless of Max, the sprint would have been quite interesting, so unfortunately it was just boring. Despite this, I have only one question, will Perez's contract last until the end of the year, or will he be replaced before then?

My prediction.

NdV is out at AT during the break replaced with Ricciardo. Checo stays through end of the year and is replaced by Ricciardo for next year.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 77T

The story of the young FR Spa driver:

https://the-race.com/junior/18-year-...-in-spa-crash/

:(


Auto racing is a true sport.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by INC

Veni, Vidi, Maxi.

Regardless of Max, the sprint would have been quite interesting, so unfortunately it was just boring. Despite this, I have only one question, will Perez's contract last until the end of the year, or will he be replaced before then?

Really? You thought that was boring? It was perhaps the most interesting Saturday that I can remember with a sprint qualifying and wet/drying sprint race. Plenty of action at the start of the race and then from P2 to P17 for the balance of the race. Tire strategy, no DRS, with DRS, Ocon defending to the verge of being over the line, Perez squeezing Max onto the grass, Leclerc and Hamilton touching, the HAAS being competitive until it dried up and then switching over to the soft tires, Ocon and Russell being within .009 to determine who finish with the last point. To me, it was an extraordinary Saturday and they should do this more often.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

:(


Auto racing is a true sport.

Sad and unfortunate. RIP to this young racer.

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games,” Ernest Hemingway once said.

[enjoythemusic]

While we wait for the race tomorrow, today's Le Mans Historic racing live...

Breadvan is racing as are many other greats.

[INC]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Really? You thought that was boring?

I think you are right that there have been many events. And at the same time, you don't, since we didn't see most of them because we had to watch Max humiliate the others. Again. 20 seconds lead in 24 laps? Under these circumstances? Max simply playing with the ease of a video game, and the others are just there for the stats. It's not F1... it's when someone plays solo in a band. Alone. And the others don't even go on stage, as they're just props.

And it's boring in my opinion.

[77T]

@INC - I understand part of what you mean. But as others said, the Saturday racing was quick and exciting for astute observers of the sport.

For most of its history F1 has had periods of team domination. At times punctuated by brilliant drivers who took success with themselves from team to team. That can seem boring to some. But others marvel at the skill it takes from the design phase to the race strategy and driver performance to create a dominance. And in the off-season see one small rule change challenge all of that and topple a previously dominant giant. (Ergo, ascending RB; descending MB)

Road racing itself is difficult for the average spectator because so much of the race happens at other corners than the one you choose to watch or “races within the race” are not seen - either live at the venue or on broadcasts.

At home, if viewers wish to feel closer to the thrilling moments among various drivers, I suggest viewers subscribe to the premium services that allow access to each driver’s in-car camera. This “driver’s eye” will fuel the excitement.


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[joli160]

I’m glad to see that Mercedes went a little adventurous and that it did pay off.
So unlike them but well done young George

Sad affair in Spa, prayers to the family

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by INC

I think you are right that there have been many events. And at the same time, you don't, since we didn't see most of them because we had to watch Max humiliate the others. Again. 20 seconds lead in 24 laps? Under these circumstances? Max simply playing with the ease of a video game, and the others are just there for the stats. It's not F1... it's when someone plays solo in a band. Alone. And the others don't even go on stage, as they're just props.

And it's boring in my opinion.

I'm not here to change your mind on if it was boring or not, but with regard to a 20 second lead one must look at how they got there. Hulkenberg was only 1-3 seconds behind Max when the track was still wet.... once a dry line started to form, then that was when the HAAS dropped back and Perez passed him. At that point, Perez would have never caught Max and it would have made no sense for Perez to try so both he and Max were on tire conservation mode as they didn't want to pit for dry tires and lose 20+ seconds in the pits.

Meanwhile, there was infighting amongst the rest of the runners behind Sainz, which naturally slows them down. The podium finishers all had clear track and no water spray and they could cruise to a podium finish.

I don't know, I've watched a lot of F1 and this was one of the best qualifying and race days I've seen.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by 77T

@INC - I understand part of what you mean. But as others said, the Saturday racing was quick and exciting for astute observers of the sport.

For most of its history F1 has had periods of team domination. At times punctuated by brilliant drivers who took success with themselves from team to team. That can seem boring to some. But others marvel at the skill it takes from the design phase to the race strategy and driver performance to create a dominance. And in the off-season see one small rule change challenge all of that and topple a previously dominant giant. (Ergo, ascending RB; descending MB)

Road racing itself is difficult for the average spectator because so much of the race happens at other corners than the one you choose to watch or “races within the race” are not seen - either live at the venue or on broadcasts.

At home, if viewers wish to feel closer to the thrilling moments among various drivers, I suggest viewers subscribe to the premium services that allow access to each driver’s in-car camera. This “driver’s eye” will fuel the excitement.


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Very well put

[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

@INC - I understand part of what you mean. But as others said, the Saturday racing was quick and exciting for astute observers of the sport.

I don't want to ruin anyone's joy, I'm really happy that they enjoyed the race! But to be honest, there was a better qually in this year, and I liked that one far more. Anyhow, I hope, the season will be more interesting later.

For most of its history F1 has had periods of team domination.

Exactly. There was team dominance, like in the days of Ferrari or Mercedes. However I don't remember a season where ONE PILOT would have been beat all the others so much. Especially like this, casually, easily, humiliatingly, like a machine. There has never been such a difference, and the problem with this is that it demoralizes the other drivers, as if the winner can be known in advance before every competition, then the show will be less interesting.

So let me point out, that my problem is not that it is interesting or not to watch a battle for a 8th place on a sprint race, but the problem is that there is no fight for win the race! I think, we should be honest with ourselves: most of us want to watch a race for the victory, and not for the battles for 1-3 points. It's just like to be excited about to see who finishes at ninth at a poker world championship.

And that's exactly what I don't like in this season. There is one driver who plays alone in his own league, and the rest are in another one. That's why I just want to note for the sake of fun that if Max could be removed from this year's races, it would be especially enjoyable to see so many almost equally good drivers racing with almost equally good cars. Because if there is one thing that is beyond doubt, it is that the rule changes really made the differences less.

And then, after such a huge work, time and money spent on this, Max comes and spoils the fun with a humiliating lead on all the races and in all conditions.

[enjoythemusic]

M. Schumacher dominated big time some seasons. Would have prob won every race one season IF Montoya didn't ram MS under a safety car in Monaco (if memory serves correctly).

[INC]

Yes, you're right, that era was indeed very similar to this one if you just look at the results. But at that time, the rules were not about keeping the cars as close as possible, but about who could win a race or the championships. Morover, what I see is, that in these years not Red Bull dominates the F1 at all. If Max was not at Red Bull, then they would not be dominant at all!

I think it's worth facing the fact that people want to see a hard fight for the victory, not who will finish third or eighth. I think that's what's completely disappointing when it's not an addition to the experience, but when it's just the experience.

It's not even half of the year, but ceterus paribus now the question is no longer who will win the races or the championships, but whether there will be a team that can be close to Max's championsip result! And exactly that's why I think it's very disappointing and devastating if Max alone would be able to win the team championship too.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by 77T

@INC - I understand part of what you mean. But as others said, the Saturday racing was quick and exciting for astute observers of the sport.

For most of its history F1 has had periods of team domination. At times punctuated by brilliant drivers who took success with themselves from team to team. That can seem boring to some. But others marvel at the skill it takes from the design phase to the race strategy and driver performance to create a dominance. And in the off-season see one small rule change challenge all of that and topple a previously dominant giant. (Ergo, ascending RB; descending MB)

Road racing itself is difficult for the average spectator because so much of the race happens at other corners than the one you choose to watch or “races within the race” are not seen - either live at the venue or on broadcasts.

At home, if viewers wish to feel closer to the thrilling moments among various drivers, I suggest viewers subscribe to the premium services that allow access to each driver’s in-car camera. This “driver’s eye” will fuel the excitement.


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Thank you so much for explaining this to all the less astute, average spectators on the forum.

I will try harder to understand this ‘race within the race’ when I watch the race this evening.

[77T]

Originally Posted by INC

I think it's worth facing the fact that people want to see a hard fight for the victory, not who will finish third or eighth. I think that's what's completely disappointing when it's not an addition to the experience, but when it's just the experience.

May I suggest F3 or F2?
The F2 race finished an hour or so ago and the replay is available for viewing and 6 cars were within 2 seconds of each other at the checkered flag…

I guarantee it could be more exciting for you than what’s coming up.


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[Jackie Daytona]

Originally Posted by INC

He finally realised that his max is less then Max's min.

Apparently. He seems to be a great guy and easy to like. Good driver overall, but just doesn’t have that fully aggressive instinct I think. I still like him, but after a brief glimmer of excitement I’m not holding out much hope any longer. Interesting yesterday the brief Red Bull moment.

[Rolex1982]

Another easy win for Max. He is in another league compared to Checco and the rest.

[Wcdhtwn]

I don’t get people knocking Perez. He’s 2nd in points overall, 3rd today from 15th, had the fastest lap until Max decided to be greedy (I like Max). His teammate is the dominant, by far, driver. I don’t see people knocking Russell, Sainz, Le Clerc, or Hamilton who are clearly also not living up to their potentials.

I love F1 but can’t stand the mentality of a driver having a tough few races/qualifying and throwing him out with the trash, especially the guy in 2nd overall.

Conjecture of replacing him with Ricciardo is laughable considering his terrible career decision making and inability to be successful on his last two teams, so much so he lost a seat altogether.

[Jackie Daytona]

Feels like Oprah joined the FIA.

Jk. I do understand the penalties

[77T]

Originally Posted by Dontknow

Feels like Oprah joined the FIA.

Jk. I do understand the penalties

Yeah - I think RB’s Horner had the best suggestion afterwards - make it “self-penalizing” using track elements.

Tracks that have beneficial vectors outside the marked course cause drivers, officials, and fans to have mixed experiences with track limits penalties (see below)

Although he mentioned gravel, the better way might be aggressively grooved concrete kerbs 5’ outside the marked course. Such grooving could take a good bunch of chunks from a slick.

On limits - late afternoon Protest from Aston Martin will be heard in about 10 minutes.




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[Jackie Daytona]

Originally Posted by 77T

Yeah - I think RB’s Horner had the best suggestion afterwards - make it “self-penalizing” using track elements.

Tracks that have beneficial vectors outside the marked course cause drivers, officials, and fans to have mixed experiences with track limits penalties (see below)

Although he mentioned gravel, the better way might be aggressively grooved concrete kerbs 5’ outside the marked course. Such grooving could take a good bunch of chunks from a slick.

On limits - late afternoon Protest from Aston Martin will be heard in about 10 minutes.




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Kept thinking similarly as the penalties mounted up that it sounds like track needs a sausage curb or something of the likes just beyond limits. It will be interesting to see how Aston Martins challenge plays out. I’m not sure anything will immediately come of it, but definitely will cause them to have a good think about it at the very least.

[enjoythemusic]

+1 for aggressively grooved concrete kerbs 5’ outside the marked course. Look, we know drivers do what is fastest and play the edge (kinda their job, actually), so make that part 'slower', or too high a risk, to chance via kerbs.

Go ahead drivers, ride the big Kerbs a few times and see how that goes, please shift gears while going over them for added fun :)

[77T]

The sausage kerbs are unsafe if a driver slides sideways over them. Very damaging to the floor. Plus the propensity to launch airborne out of control.

Something that degrades tires aggressively means the whole strategy of gaining 0.5 sec. on a lap is lost due to an extra loss of grip and maybe an extra pit stop.


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[DauJones]

Austria is just so good place for F1. Thanks god they extended the contract.


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[SDGT3]

Another very entertaining day of racing. Enjoyed this race from start to finish and loved the fact that the Ferraris were actually competitive even with elevated temperatures, albeit still too far off the Bulls. Nice to see these cars now be able to follow closely at a track at elevation and hear no complaints about overheating brakes.

There was entirely too much whining and complaining today from the drivers… just get on with it, you knew the rules going into this..

I believe Sainz got a black and white flag for complaining he was being intimidated…. The penalty for another infraction is not a 5 second penalty, but rather revocation of his man card

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

I don’t get people knocking Perez. He’s 2nd in points overall, 3rd today from 15th, had the fastest lap until Max decided to be greedy (I like Max). His teammate is the dominant, by far, driver. I don’t see people knocking Russell, Sainz, Le Clerc, or Hamilton who are clearly also not living up to their potentials.

I love F1 but can’t stand the mentality of a driver having a tough few races/qualifying and throwing him out with the trash, especially the guy in 2nd overall.

Conjecture of replacing him with Ricciardo is laughable considering his terrible career decision making and inability to be successful on his last two teams, so much so he lost a seat altogether.

Fully agree with the DR point. One poor career choice after another, was completely decimated by LN at Mclaren (even Pastry seems to be mounting a stronger challenge against LN), yet he expects a seat at RB, Ferrari or Merc... if that isn't delusion, I wonder what is.

Sergio will unlikely be close to Max. Max is a real generational talent who grew up in a racing family, brutally moulded into the monster he is today and spends all his free time sim racing.

[SDGT3]

BREAKING: Eight drivers have been handed post-race penalties for additional track limit infringements
The top 10 results change, although the podium remains unaffected
Penalties in full:
Sainz - 10 seconds
Hamilton - 10 seconds
Gasly - 10 seconds
Albon - 10 seconds
Ocon - 30 seconds
Sargeant - 10 seconds
De Vries - 15 seconds
Tsunoda - 5 seconds

[SDGT3]

New top 10 finishers

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

BREAKING: Eight drivers have been handed post-race penalties for additional track limit infringements
The top 10 results change, although the podium remains unaffected
Penalties in full:
Sainz - 10 seconds
Hamilton - 10 seconds
Gasly - 10 seconds
Albon - 10 seconds
Ocon - 30 seconds
Sargeant - 10 seconds
De Vries - 15 seconds
Tsunoda - 5 seconds

Yep - this was not pretty…provisional and final side by side.



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[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

May I suggest F3 or F2?

Sure, yes, thank you.