32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dirt

It will be something along the lines of.
Leave it with us and we'll look into it but we might be able to do something sometime after the 33xx movement comes out.

It's a real shame but I didn’t get ANY response at all.
Some form of recognition of the idea and request would have been nice.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dirt

I suspect the owner of the forum may have some kind of tie-in with the Mothership from what i've heard within the industry.

Oh WOW !

I don’t know what to say about that …

If the Owner of this forum is linked to Rolex that would possibly create a very big conflict of interest and possibly even more.

Would the Mothership really risk that happening ?

[Speed]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Simple answer: avoid all 32xx watches, either choose a previous generation 5-digit Rolex with a reliable movement or change the watch brand.

The final Milgauss…prior to being discontinued…still has the 3131 movement, correct?

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Speed

The final Milgauss…prior to being discontinued…still has the 3131 movement, correct?

Correct. I think the 3131 is the same as the 3130 with an added faraday cage.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Correct. I think the 3131 is the same as the 3130 with an added faraday cage.

Thanks!!

[saxo3]

Yes, the Rolex Milgauss Ref. 116400GV is equipped with a 3131 movement. It is a Superlative Chronometer (COSC + Rolex certification after casing) with a specified precision of -2/+2 sec/day, after casing. The 3131 has a power reserve of approximately 48 hours.

The 3131 is a new version of the 3130 with (i) additional shielding against magnetic fields and (ii) it is equipped with the Rolex Parachrom Bleu hairspring.

Originally Posted by Speed

The final Milgauss…prior to being discontinued…still has the 3131 movement, correct?

Yes, I can imagine why you ask …. The good news is that the 3131 does not use Rolex's Chronergy escapement like the 32xx!

According to Rolex documentation, the 3131 has the same precision specification (-2/+2 sec/day) as the 32xx caliber family.

[1William]

Good information. Thank you.

[saxo3]

Here is my compact thread summary for 2024.

I have listed all timegrapher data (as presented in this thread) for 32xx watches bought and measured in 2024.

Total: 14 different watches, including one Daytona with a 4131 caliber (Chronergy escapement like the 32xx movements) and including one 3285 watch bought in 10/2023.

Result: 4 new watches showed the well-known 32xx problem (too low amplitudes after 24 hours).

Failure rate of new 32xx watches bought in 2024: 28.6 % (4/14)

My interpretation: the rather low sample rate of 14 new watches, all with Chronergy escapements, is statistically irrelevant and does not allow any conclusions to be drawn for the entire production of 32xx calibers. However, it is astonishing that so many new movements still show the problem in 2024, indicating that there is still no permanent solution to the fundamental 32xx problem.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

After almost 4 years of collecting data, producing graphs, collating information and many useful discussions about the 32xx movements I would like to suggest that this thread becomes a “Sticky” in this .. "The Rolex WatchTech" forum.

Any positive feedback from the TRF management would be most welcome.

Here's Hoping ...

Originally Posted by saxo3

Did you ever get an answer?

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Hello Saxo3,

Unfortunately I was not lucky enough to get an answer either by personal message or via a reply in this thread.

Maybe this reply will be the catalyst that prompts an answer from someone.

Originally Posted by Easy E

I'd vote for it.

Originally Posted by Dirt

It will be something along the lines of.
Leave it with us and we'll look into it but we might be able to do something sometime after the 33xx movement comes out.

I suspect the owner of the forum may have some kind of tie-in with the Mothership from what i've heard within the industry.

Originally Posted by CharlesN

It's a real shame but I didn’t get ANY response at all.
Some form of recognition of the idea and request would have been nice.

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Oh WOW !

I don’t know what to say about that …

If the Owner of this forum is linked to Rolex that would possibly create a very big conflict of interest and possibly even more.

Would the Mothership really risk that happening ?

Gentlemen, stop dreaming that this thread becomes a sticky.

As of today, the Rolex WatchTech forum has the following 3 sticky threads

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[hellobandit]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Here is my compact thread summary for 2024.

I have listed all timegrapher data (as presented in this thread) for 32xx watches bought and measured in 2024.

...

Good job, thanks !

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by 1William

Good information. Thank you.

Originally Posted by hellobandit

Good job, thanks !

[bk01]

Full wind:

DU: 0 s/d, 284 degrees, 0ms
DD: +2 s/d, 283 degrees, 0.1ms
3U: -2 s/d, 237 degrees, 0.3ms
6U: 0 s/d, 240 degrees, 0ms
9U: -2 s/d, 241 degrees, 0ms

After 24h:

DU: 2 s/d, 260 degrees, 0.1ms
DD: 0 s/d, 251 degrees, 0ms
3U: -1 s/d, 218 degrees, 0.3ms
6U: -4 s/d, 212 degrees, 0ms
9U: -2 s/d, 224 degrees, 0ms

Measured on a no name Weishi 1000 timegrapher. Any thoughts ?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by bk01

Any thoughts ?

Please give us some information about the watch, its reference number, date of purchase, if you are the first owner, and when the measurements were done.

[bk01]

Sorry, I thought I had included this in the title.

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.


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[bk01]

Sorry, I thought I had included this in the title.

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.


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[bk01]

Sorry, I thought I had included this in the title.

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by bk01

The watch is 3 weeks old, first owner. It a 124300 (OP41). The measurements were taken yesterday and today.

Thank you very much. The measured amplitudes of your new 3230 movement look good, as do the rates. I see that the rates in the 3 vertical positions (after 24 hours) are all negative but the amplitudes are well above 200 degrees, which is good. As a reference for future comparisons, I suggest you do a full power reserve scan, taking timegrapher data at 0, 12, 24, 36, 48, 54, 60 hours. With a 3230 caliber I would be less concerned than with 3235 or 3285 movements.

[bk01]

Thanks a lot for the feedback !

When time allows, I’ll do the power reserve scan and post the results

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thank you for your hard work, which sums up the situation.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Thank you for your hard work, which sums up the situation.

Thanks for your positive feedback.

On 23.01.2021 I had started a thread "Rolex 3200 Series Movement Data Collection" with the aim of collecting timegrapher data. When I saw that this thread had started less than 1 hour before mine, I asked the moderators to delete my thread.

Today, after 4 years, the useful contributions are still based on timegrapher data from various 32xx watch owners. Although this thread is still interesting to look at the performance of new 32xx watches, I can't learn much about this topic on TRF. I continue my participation only out of curiosity and to help others if they wish.