32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[mato123]

Here are numbers for my watch:

Reference: 126600
Caliber: 3235
Warranty from: 12/2021
Tested: 2/2025

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by mato123

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Thanks, the numbers look good. What timegrapher and lift angle setting did you use? Do you know if this watch has been serviced before you bought it?

[CaptT]

Originally Posted by phranxinatra

Actually, there is leaked information. In this video, David Bredan (abtw) talks about how a friend of his, who worked at the Rolex factory said that for a very long time they couldn't simulate this problem. They couldn't figure out what was causing the problem, so they stained the lubricant to see where it was migrating within the movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WepR0X17kwY

Interesting. And not surprising they couldn’t simulate the issue.

Based on the number of guests that view this thread (especially relative to other threads) it would seem *someone* finds the data collection and dialogue here interesting.

From yesterday:

[mato123]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks, the numbers look good. What timegrapher and lift angle setting did you use? Do you know if this watch has been serviced before you bought it?

I bought generic "Multifunction Time Grapher 1000" of Ebay. To be honest, the cheapest one I found. Lift angle = 53 degrees. I asked about the service history and I was told it wasn't serviced.

I asked if they heard about 32xx issue while trying couple of watches in their office. They had Explorer II recently that ran fine when they purchased it but was slow few week later when they wanted to sell it, so it went to service.

[mato123]

Forgot to mention that the watch was in mint condition, clearly previous owner didn't wear it daily. I wonder if that is related to "good" numbers from the time grapher. I'll see how it holds up after few months of daily wear.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CaptT

Interesting…

Not for me as I don't understand Hungarian.
You screenshot from yesterday is also unclear.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by mato123

…I wonder if that is related to "good" numbers from the time grapher...

No.

[CaptT]

The “someone” I was referring to is the 23 guests:



I find that interesting.

And of course there are a number of members that follow and contribute here that also take an interest in this thread and the information exchange.

[Amy_Moses]

After nearly three years on the wait list for a 124270 Explorer I gave up and bought one from Watchfinder London in Feb 24 with Aug 23 on the card. It looked unworn. I wore it 24/7 and it ran a ~0.7 secs per day slow.

After about 6 months it started losing time almost in step changes - I tried to post a chart but can't. I haven't got a timegrapher. Timings were done by setting it against a GPS clock and then tracking the indicated vs actual time in a spreadsheet and calculating the secs/day loss.

I didn't knock or drop it, I had no lifestyle changes, I didn't stop or start any sports or other activities, I don't do manual work and I didn't change the measurement method. After the first step change I occasionally gave it a full wind to see if there might be a power reserve problem, but it made no difference.

It was losing 15 secs/day when I took it to RSC London, St James' Sq. in Feb 25 - almost a year to the day after I bought it. Their email said they would carry out a movement service under the guarantee. It was with them for 14 days and I've had it back a few days and it's gaining about 0.5 sec per day.

This was meant to be my retirement and last-watch-purchase-ever-honest-no-I-really-mean-it-this-time watch but now there'll always be that nag in the back of my mind that I've got a lemon and it will start losing time again - probably just after the warranty runs out. I'm contemplating flipping it for a 114270 or maybe the black lacquer Aqua Terra.

Also, when I was doing my pre-buying research the warranty card seemed to be an absolute necessary pre-requisite yet no one asked for the card at any stage in this repair. Neither was I given a service card or any paperwork when my watch was returned. If it hadn't been the London RSC I'd have been worried by this - is this normal?

[phranxinatra]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Not for me as I don't understand Hungarian.
You screenshot from yesterday is also unclear.

I have written the gist of it. Basically the oil migrating to wrong places caused the low angle issue. And Rolex have fixed this issue.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by phranxinatra

I have written the gist of it. Basically the oil migrating to wrong places caused the low angle issue. And Rolex have fixed this issue.

Except they haven't

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by phranxinatra

I have written the gist of it … And Rolex have fixed this issue.

Nonsense.

Originally Posted by phranxinatra

2017 SD43 started to lose time after a year. Until that it kept perfect time. I took it back to the boutique but they only regulated not serviced. Took it back again 2 weeks later, regulating again. Sold it and bought a new MK2 last August, it's pretty accurate but only 6 month old.

Do you still own this 126600 Sea-Dweller (3235) form 08/2020?
If so, how does it perform after 4.5 years?
What are the amplitudes after full winding and 24 hours later?

Answer with facts (data) and not with a video that the vast majority here cannot understand (the language).

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Amy_Moses

... Neither was I given a service card or any paperwork when my watch was returned. If it hadn't been the London RSC I'd have been worried by this - is this normal?

No.
Buy a timegrapher and measure the amplitudes after this RSC service, it will serve you later on as a reference … and welcome!

[mato123]

Originally Posted by Amy_Moses

After nearly three years on the wait list for a 124270 Explorer I gave up and bought one from Watchfinder London in Feb 24 with Aug 23 on the card. It looked unworn. I wore it 24/7 and it ran a ~0.7 secs per day slow.

After about 6 months it started losing time almost in step changes - I tried to post a chart but can't. I haven't got a timegrapher. Timings were done by setting it against a GPS clock and then tracking the indicated vs actual time in a spreadsheet and calculating the secs/day loss.

I didn't knock or drop it, I had no lifestyle changes, I didn't stop or start any sports or other activities, I don't do manual work and I didn't change the measurement method. After the first step change I occasionally gave it a full wind to see if there might be a power reserve problem, but it made no difference.

It was losing 15 secs/day when I took it to RSC London, St James' Sq. in Feb 25 - almost a year to the day after I bought it. Their email said they would carry out a movement service under the guarantee. It was with them for 14 days and I've had it back a few days and it's gaining about 0.5 sec per day.

This was meant to be my retirement and last-watch-purchase-ever-honest-no-I-really-mean-it-this-time watch but now there'll always be that nag in the back of my mind that I've got a lemon and it will start losing time again - probably just after the warranty runs out. I'm contemplating flipping it for a 114270 or maybe the black lacquer Aqua Terra.

Also, when I was doing my pre-buying research the warranty card seemed to be an absolute necessary pre-requisite yet no one asked for the card at any stage in this repair. Neither was I given a service card or any paperwork when my watch was returned. If it hadn't been the London RSC I'd have been worried by this - is this normal?

Similar situation here. I wanted a new watch with a 5-year warranty from an AD because of these issues but got tired of waiting. Then, I found a pre-owned one in my city from a reputable grey market dealer for €2,500 under retail. My thinking was, I could set aside the savings for a service if needed. I’m happy to give Rolex a chance to get it right, but if this becomes a recurring problem, I'll sell it right after the second service and buy something with 31xx movement or a different brand. It's sad that one has to think like this about a new watch. It really affects your enjoyment.