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[sillo]

Looks like Ferrari is appealing the penalty.

[1st amg]

This was a huge boo boo within the stewards. When he re entered the track, there was no space to pull the car off the racing line, if he did, he would have spun and taken Hamilton with him. It’s a black mark again in formula one. Love the way Vettel handled....if anyone follows the ex formula one drivers on Twitter like, Herbert, Hill, Button and the grand daddy of them all, Mario Andretti, it is a unanimous feeling that it was Vettels race win.


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[texasmade]

Steiner getting on the radio telling KMag to basically STFU was great.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Steiner getting on the radio telling KMag to basically STFU was great.

Yeah that made me chuckle too!

With regards to the penalty, I’ve just listened to a differing point of view from Jolyon Palmer on the BBC F1 podcast and his point was, in simple black and white terms it was a penalty. Whether Vettel was in control of the car or not he came from off track back on to the racing line = Penalty. (The most lenient penalty they could give)
He also said that Vettel definitely cut across on purpose to block because that’s a racers instinct and exactly what he would have done.


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[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Yeah that made me chuckle too!

With regards to the penalty, I’ve just listened to a differing point of view from Jolyon Palmer on the BBC F1 podcast and his point was, in simple black and white terms it was a penalty. Whether Vettel was in control of the car or not he came from off track back on to the racing line = Penalty. (The most lenient penalty they could give)
He also said that Vettel definitely cut across on purpose to block because that’s a racers instinct and exactly what he would have done.


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I agree. If he deliberately cut Hamilton up it’s a nailed on penalty.

But if we take Vettel at his word that he had no control over his car, then that’s a bizarre defence, much like claiming that an accident caused when drunk shouldn’t be blamed on the inebriated driver on the basis his judgement was impaired. If he wasn’t in control of his car then his rejoining of the track was unsafe by definition. Vettel did not have to keep his foot planted on the gas as he went cross country: if he hadn’t he’d have had more control over his car but of course he’d also have been behind Hamilton on the track.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by sillo38

Looks like Ferrari is appealing the penalty.

Boo hoo! He cut the track short, thus shortening his lap. Again, why is no one discussing this. Obviously Hamilton would have passed Vettel if Ferrari followed the rules as you MUST have your car follow the track, never short the track, and have two wheels on the track.

BTW, for years my muse / wife and i... when she cuts me off or i cut her off we say "Don't Vettel me!". Obviously he's known for cutting people off, so about time he gets penalized for his obviously cutting off of drivers properly on track.

Vettel shortened the race / track line, which is illegal.

[cruise_bone]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I agree. If he deliberately cut Hamilton up it’s a nailed on penalty.

But if we take Vettel at his word that he had no control over his car, then that’s a bizarre defence, much like claiming that an accident caused when drunk shouldn’t be blamed on the inebriated driver on the basis his judgement was impaired. If he wasn’t in control of his car then his rejoining of the track was unsafe by definition. Vettel did not have to keep his foot planted on the gas as he went cross country: if he hadn’t he’d have had more control over his car but of course he’d also have been behind Hamilton on the track.

Ding Ding Ding.

If Vettel hadn't kept his foot to the floor he would have slowed enough to keep his car further left instead of dead in the racing line and Hamilton would have easily passed.
Spot on penalty and the right driver won the race.

[Rashid.bk]

^ Completely agree.

[Dr.Brian]

Got to give Stroll some credit coming back from a bad engine, missed practice time, using the old slower engine, and qualifying at P19 to fight back to the points at P9.
Seb could have, IMO, slowed on the grass, not lost control of the car, and not impeded Lewis. It’s not unlike Grosjean last year hitting the gas while spinning out at the start, and causing a big wreck, which could have been much worse.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Ferrari International Assist got confused today.

They even have a logo





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[sillo]

Incredible race that we really needed after Canada and France.

[walds11]

Originally Posted by sillo38

Incredible race that we really needed after Canada and France.

Absolutely! Great race for Max after the SLOW start. Charles will have his day...

The stewards are reviewing Max’s pass on Charles though...

[sillo]

Originally Posted by walds11

The stewards are reviewing Max’s pass on Charles though...

Still under investigation. The more I see it the more it looks like he forced Leclerc off.

From Max's onboard you can see him open the wheel up just enough to take away the space from Charles.

I won't be upset with either decision though.

[FTX I]

Fantastic race. Best I've watched in a long time. Wow

[Latrodectus]

I am glad Max kept his win!

[texasmade]

Really good race today. I think last week’s borefest was mainly due to Paul Ricard being such a terrible track.

[Rolex Essex]

One of the best races I’ve seen so far. Superb drive from Verstappen and Norris.

[Fredette]

Spa is on my bucket list. One day! And as far as Mercedes go, I'm tired of seeing them win! Haha. I grew up a Schumacher fan when he was at Ferrari so I gotta pull for the prancing horse

[jatco]

Originally Posted by walds11

Absolutely! Great race for Max after the SLOW start. Charles will have his day...

The stewards are reviewing Max’s pass on Charles though...

Originally Posted by sillo38

Still under investigation. The more I see it the more it looks like he forced Leclerc off.

From Max's onboard you can see him open the wheel up just enough to take away the space from Charles.

I won't be upset with either decision though.

IMO, looks like a squeeze or push from Max on Charles to take the lead, IT, wasn't a clean, clear pass, tho Max may have taken him later on with 2 laps to go. Tough break for Leclerc, great racing over all.
Kudos to Norris...!

[V25V]

Vettel's penalty was a bad one and the FIA botched it. They got this one right and I am glad they did.

Anyone who believes either driver did anything wrong there has clearly never driven a race car before. Max was committed, went very deep and did all he could do give Charles space, its racing. Let them race, break some suspension arms if necessary, anything to bring some more of that excitement to F1 again. Vettel said it best, these races should not be decided in the stewards office.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by V25V

Vettel's penalty was a bad one and the FIA botched it. They got this one right and I am glad they did.

Anyone who believes either driver did anything wrong there has clearly never driven a race car before. Max was committed, went very deep and did all he could do give Charles space, its racing. Let them race, break some suspension arms if necessary, anything to bring some more of that excitement to F1 again. Vettel said it best, these races should not be decided in the stewards office.

Leclerc kinda 'had' to give way after the 'bump' from Max on the inside before exiting the turn...reviewed that a few times..- but hey, that's racing. Max probably would've still taken him as he had the inside line exiting ...

[V25V]

Originally Posted by jatco

Leclerc kinda 'had' to give way after the 'bump' from Max on the inside before exiting the turn...reviewed that a few times..- but hey, that's racing. Max probably would've still taken him as he had the inside line exiting ...

If Charles wanted to protect, and I think he should have, he would have taken the inside line and made Max go the long way around. He didn't and was a sitting duck, Vettel for example would have never left that door open. Either way, Max was so much faster than him that I think the result would have eventually been the same. Or more fireworks and either way, that would have been fine by me, was great to watch for a change.

And if Max could have given him more room, I think he may have but at that point where he was, that was his corner and he wasn't obligated to give Charles anymore room at the exit than he did. It was a really nice pass and I for one love watching him drive. You put that kid in a Ferrari or Silver Arrow and watch the F out. He will be a superstar.




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[jatco]

Originally Posted by V25V

If Charles wanted to protect, and I think he should have, he would have taken the inside line and made Max go the long way around. He didn't and was a sitting duck, Vettel for example would have never left that door open. Either way, Max was so much faster than him that I think the result would have eventually been the same. Or more fireworks and either way, that would have been fine by me, was great to watch for a change.

And if Max could have given him more room, I think he may have but at that point where he was, that was his corner and he wasn't obligated to give Charles anymore room at the exit than he did. It was a really nice pass and I for one love watching him drive. You put that kid in a Ferrari or Silver Arrow and watch the F out. He will be a superstar.




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......". You put that kid in a Ferrari or Silver Arrow and watch the F out. He will be a superstar. "
.
Both will,would, could be.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by jatco

......". You put that kid in a Ferrari or Silver Arrow and watch the F out. He will be a superstar. "

.

Both will,would, could be.

Agree.


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[cdmorenot]

Some F1 Memorabilia from various visits including Monza, Maranello, Monaco, Stuttgart, etc ...

[joeychitwood]

Great photos, Carlos. Love seeing the older cars especially.

[cdmorenot]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Great photos, Carlos. Love seeing the older cars especially.

Thank you Joey ! I’ll upload all of them to Google drive shortly and share the link.

The older F1 cars blew me away. Gears exposed, tool marks on bolts. So mechanical - Today’s machines are incredible marvels of engineering but back them it was all about the grit. Very mesmerizing.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by cdmorenot

Thank you Joey ! I’ll upload all of them to Google drive shortly and share the link.

The older F1 cars blew me away. Gears exposed, tool marks on bolts. So mechanical - Today’s machines are incredible marvels of engineering but back them it was all about the grit. Very mesmerizing.


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I hear ya on that..
I have some programs, one from the '89 47e Grand Prix de Monaco with Senna, Prost, Brundle, Pique, Nigel, Berger... Classic racing back then. Those were the days..

[Rolex Essex]

What a cracking day and superb driving from Vettel lol

[texasmade]

Great race with lots of wheel to wheel action at the front of the grid. Bottas got screwed on the SC but I think he still would’ve lost even without the SC. Lewis’s race pace was much better than Bottas.

I like Vettel and think he’s a pretty good driver but he’s clearly lost it ever since he crashed out of the German GP.